Pratyaksh Posted January 19, 2021 Report Share Posted January 19, 2021 I was rereading the row and was wondering what was in the bag? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsdaughter613 she/her Posted January 19, 2021 Report Share Posted January 19, 2021 The Threnodite chain. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honorless he/him Posted January 19, 2021 Report Share Posted January 19, 2021 He gave her the silver chain Kaladin saw in Shadesmar in Oathbringer and White Sand from Taldain 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Bzhydack he/him Posted January 20, 2021 Report Share Posted January 20, 2021 12 hours ago, Honorless said: He gave her the silver chain Kaladin saw in Shadesmar in Oathbringer and White Sand from Taldain Is this confirmed by some WoB? Because my innitial thought was that were the metalmind rings (duralumin ones) he took from Feruchemists corpse. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frustration he/him Posted January 20, 2021 Report Share Posted January 20, 2021 52 minutes ago, Bzhydack said: Is this confirmed by some WoB? Because my innitial thought was that were the metalmind rings (duralumin ones) he took from Feruchemists corpse. We know she has it, due to one of the epigraphs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honorless he/him Posted January 20, 2021 Report Share Posted January 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Bzhydack said: Is this confirmed by some WoB? Because my innitial thought was that were the metalmind rings (duralumin ones) he took from Feruchemists corpse. No, I assumed it from the in-world Rhythm of War, where Raboniel talks about the chain and sand, she also talks about the latter with Navani. Oh that reminds me! Mraize also gave her the captured Lift! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinity Sliver Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 On 1/19/2021 at 10:53 PM, Frustration said: We know she has it, due to one of the epigraphs. Do you remember where? And I think i read somewhere what the chain was used for? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyn Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, Infinitysliver said: Do you remember where? And I think i read somewhere what the chain was used for? RoW ch. 64: Quote The sand originated offworld. It is only one of such amazing wonders that come from other lands—I have recently obtained a chain from the lands of the dead, said to be able to anchor a person through Cognitive anomalies. I fail to see what use it could be to me, as I am unable to leave the Rosharan system. But it is a priceless object nonetheless. —From Rhythm of War, page 13 undertext 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iarwainiel I she/her Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 Do we know where these things ended up? i.e., who has them at the end of the book? I totally forgot about the chain in Oathbringer - looks like time for another re-read... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Invocation Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 14 minutes ago, Iarwainiel said: Do we know where these things ended up? i.e., who has them at the end of the book? Probably buried in Raboniel's stuff, meaning Navani will probably end up nabbing it at some point. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teknopathetic he/him Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 (edited) Apparently, there were rights one could do on Threnody to make someone into a cognitive shadow. I wonder if this chain was used for that purpose? If it is made from silver, and silver hurts shades, I wonder what it might do to a different kind of cognitive shadow if used with the right intent and/or command. Lastly, there is a cognitive anomaly in the Nalthis system. Is this chain useful there? Edited January 22, 2021 by teknopathetic 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+robardin he/him Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 (edited) On 1/21/2021 at 9:11 PM, Kyn said: RoW ch. 64: The sand originated offworld. It is only one of such amazing wonders that come from other lands—I have recently obtained a chain from the lands of the dead, said to be able to anchor a person through Cognitive anomalies. I fail to see what use it could be to me, as I am unable to leave the Rosharan system. But it is a priceless object nonetheless. —From Rhythm of War, page 13 undertext You know, I forgot about that reveal being an in-world annotation of Raboniel's. The curious thing is, how did Raboniel learn about "undertexts" in writing? It's something Vorin, as a corollary of separating literacy as a "feminine" art and thus a way for women and ardents to keep a parallel livestream chat window going on the side while reading aloud the text proper to a man. So the practice post-dates the Recreance, the Hierocracy, and therefore the prior Desolation by many millenia. And we know from Leshwi's reactions at the beginning of RoW that Raboniel is only just recently returned to Roshar. I guess it's something to do with her form being scholarly and how she learned Alethi so quickly, too - something Connection based. And why would Mraize give her such an object? It was extremely valuable, if it's the same thing (or type of thing) as what Kaladin saw in that Shadesmarket shop, but if she would neither recognize it nor have a critical need for what it could do for her, why present it to her as a goodwill gift? What are "Cognitive anomolies"? It's implied that Raboniel realizes it as something that would be useful in Shadesmar in terms of getting off of or perhaps after leaving the Rosharan system, which she is unable to do. Or useful in a place like Threnody, or perhaps to get through to Sel via the CR? My guess is that the gift was intended to impress Odium, who when he learned of it, would have realized (and would still realize) what it could do for him or one of his minions in effecting his will in the wider Cosmere. Perhaps not a Fused, who is bound to Roshar, but... Hmmm.... Vyre? Of course she died before ever passing on the necklace or knowledge of it to anyone else on Team Odium. Yay? Edited January 26, 2021 by robardin 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yulyulk Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 8 hours ago, robardin said: You know, I forgot about that reveal being an in-world annotation of Raboniel's. The curious thing is, how did Raboniel learn about "undertexts" in writing? It's something Vorin, as a corollary of separating literacy as a "feminine" art and thus a way for women and ardents to keep a parallel livestream chat window going on the side while reading aloud the text proper to a man. So the practice post-dates the Recreance, the Hierocracy, and therefore the prior Desolation by many millenia. And we know from Leshwi's reactions at the beginning of RoW that Raboniel is only just recently returned to Roshar. I guess it's something to do with her form being scholarly and how she learned Alethi so quickly, too - something Connection based. That's an easy one to extrapolate, I think. She and Navani wrote the book together, so Navani told her of the tradition. Some of the undertexts are also from Navani. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanLemon Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 The only Cognitive Anomaly we know of is the one by Nalthis though as the chain originates from Threnody it seems likely that an Anomaly exist there as well. I wonder if they are manifestations of the "wound" in the Spiritual Realm that Sazed mentions in his letter to Hoid 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack33210 Posted January 29, 2021 Report Share Posted January 29, 2021 It was the chain. It makes sense that when Oathbringer was released, Brandon when he was asked about the silver chain the store, he basically “Super-RAFO’d” it at the time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfphelps he/him Posted February 4, 2021 Report Share Posted February 4, 2021 On 1/26/2021 at 8:29 AM, robardin said: My guess is that the gift was intended to impress Odium, who when he learned of it, would have realized (and would still realize) what it could do for him or one of his minions in effecting his will in the wider Cosmere. Perhaps not a Fused, who is bound to Roshar, but... Hmmm.... Vyre? Dalinar if Odium wins the battle of champions? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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