Quick Fix 50: Return to Tar Valon

[|TJ| he/him]

2 minutes ago, Illwei said:

(and TJ but he's not real so he don't count)

;-; ouch

[+Lotus she/her]

For all and future reference: My Aes Sedai is brown, which is really just perfect because I love the brown ajah

[James Brafin he/him]

5 minutes ago, Lotus said:

For all and future reference: My Aes Sedai is brown, which is really just perfect because I love the brown ajah

Are you claiming your bonded Sedai right now?

[+Lotus she/her]

Just now, James Brafin said:

Are you claiming your bonded Sedai right now?

Yup.

[Gears]

4 minutes ago, Lotus said:

For all and future reference: My Aes Sedai is brown, which is really just perfect because I love the brown ajah

So your Aes Sedai is not Danex, since Danex claimed to be Warder-less. @Liranil, do not kill Lot. Since I may or may not try and X Danex this cycle, we need the other Brown. 

Concerning Danex suspicion: My reasoning is the Liranil vote. I voted after Quinn because it reassured me, not because the vote manip actually convinced me. However, 1. My Aes Sedai does not agree, 2. I lost the roshambo, and 3. No one else seems to concur. 

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'll be off flipping coins with Kai [Breaker] to get them to vote Danex.

[James Brafin he/him]

Just now, Lotus said:

Yup.

So someone is lying then. Dannex (the brown Ajah) has already told us he had no Warders, and you're claiming that you are indeed bonded to Dannex. Unless someone wants to make the case as for why I should be two of the most powerful Scanning roles in the game?

[Illwei]

1 minute ago, James Brafin said:

So someone is lying then. Dannex (the brown Ajah) has already told us he had no Warders, and you're claiming that you are indeed bonded to Dannex. Unless someone wants to make the case as for why I should be two of the most powerful Scanning roles in the game?

I think that we shouldn't just believe someone who says they don't have a warder, because...don't all Ajah's have warders? the rules say lone warders are possible, but not that about lone Ajahs. @TJ Shade

[Quintessential she/her]

Just now, Illwei said:

I think that we shouldn't just believe someone who says they don't have a warder, because...don't all Ajah's have warders? the rules say lone warders are possible, but not that about lone Ajahs. @TJ Shade

No, other way around. Lone Ajahs are possible, but a lone Warder wouldn't make sense--they would just be a person who happens to have an extra life.

Also, @Liranil now that I think about it I'm... actually not sure why we assumed there was only one Brown Ajah? Rolescanning is much less powerful when you can't share your findings in PMs or the elim doc--most QFs don't last very long, so each Brown Ajah is only going to get to scan about six people, max, and some of them may die after the Brown Ajah has scanned them anyway. Obviously having an outed Brown Ajah changes that somewhat, but I don't think that two village Brown Ajahs, or a village one and an elim one, would be OP.

[Gears]

4 minutes ago, James Brafin said:

So someone is lying then. Dannex (the brown Ajah) has already told us he had no Warders, and you're claiming that you are indeed bonded to Dannex. Unless someone wants to make the case as for why I should be two of the most powerful Scanning roles in the game?

Browns aren't actually that useful for the village. Roles have little to no bearing on alignment [except for the Green], so it just helps confirm if people are lying. This actually feeds into my theory of 1 elim Brown, 1 village Brown [which somewhat reassures me about my suspicion on Danex]. 

4 minutes ago, Illwei said:

I think that we shouldn't just believe someone who says they don't have a warder, because...don't all Ajah's have warders? the rules say lone warders are possible, but not that about lone Ajahs. @TJ Shade

Quote

• It is possible for an Aes Sedai to have multiple Warders or no Warders. 

Also, Quinn, how dare you ninja me with what I was going to say!

[Illwei]

Just now, Gears said:

Also, Quinn, how dare you ninja me with what I was going to say!

Oh that's pretty poggers mate

back to trying to think because if none have noticed it do be 2.5 hours til rollover and we're divided as ever

[Quintessential she/her]

Just now, Gears said:

Also, Quinn, how dare you ninja me with what I was going to say!

You're not the only one who has all the rules memorized! XD 

[Liranil she/her]

Votes are really spread out, not a fan of that. PLEASE NOT ANOTHER MR47 C2. 

12 minutes ago, Breaker said:

I still think we should be doing a better job of helping Liranil. We have to assume they’ll be elim targeted soon, so we need to use the resource well. Uh, no offense. We cool, right, Liranil? I can trade hugs as an apology for earlier suspicion

Yeah we cool.  

I'm doing "reads while I reread," so this'll probably be a little scattered. No one was given an inactivity warning, which really surprised me. 

Matrim - Tentative village

Gears - Wants me to kill Connie. Not a fan of people wanting me to do things, especially when I hold the power. *cue maniacal laughter* I'm joking but Gears seems to have a lot of "you should do this" towards certain roles or people, and that puts me on guard.

Ashbringer - Has some good analysis posts. 

Breaker - Seems chaotic and like they're having fun, so normal. Definitely has me pocketed.

Quinn - Not as active this round? Or at least recently? 

Lotus - Just claimed Brown Ajah as their Aes Sedai, which means either there's another brown ajah or Dannex is lying about not having any warders. 

Archer - Hasn't talked a ton, so I'm a tiny bit sus. But not much.

Striker - Ignored Archer's poke vote C1. Slightly elim read from some oddly worded posts.

Unknown Order - Don't remember you saying anything C1

James - Likes to tunnel on people, sticks to their suspicions. While I'm not a fan of that play style, I'm reading him as more village now. Inclined to trust.

Burnt Spaghetti - (have I mentioned how much I like your name?) Has some good analysis. Wants to observe Connie, Dannex, and Lotus. Null read on them right now.

Illwei - Focuses on Lotus early on. Very confident in James as village. Kinda sus to me.

Dannex - just seems so weird to have two vote removals. Could be two villagers, could be different due to vote hopping at the end (there was a lot) but I feel like at least one Grey is an elim. Leaning elim on him. 

Flyingbooks - Again, haven't heard much from you.

Devotary of Spontaneity - Or you.

Kings Way - Or you. 

Condensation - Hasn't spoken as much this round. 

 

Something about kittens, okay...

Ash/Illwei went at it a bit earlier. Could be a setup, could be real, idk. 

I think Condensation as an elim target would make more sense if the elim team is a bit more inexperienced. There are several new players, right? If it's a mix of new/less active players, going after Connie might make more sense. :shrug: But, to be honest, there wasn't a whole lot of suspicion on Connie, especially later on, so I don't think it was that odd of a choice, other than the fact that they could have gone after Dannex or me. If the goal of targeting her was chaos, then that would fit with Breaker/Gears' MO this game.  

As to the people who want to know who I'm planning on shooting... idk yet. XD Umm.... @Illwei. Tell me why I shouldn't kill you.

I'm going to put a vote on Dannex for now, and I'd encourage people to not start new votes because this is setting up to be a potential tie round. My reasoning for Dannex is that there's most likely another brown Ajah based on Lotus' post just now, and I think it's unlikely that both would be vill. But this is mostly temporary while I catch up.

2 minutes ago, James Brafin said:

So someone is lying then. Dannex (the brown Ajah) has already told us he had no Warders, and you're claiming that you are indeed bonded to Dannex. Unless someone wants to make the case as for why I should be two of the most powerful Scanning roles in the game?

Why would there be two? If one's vill and one's elim.  (Ninja'd)

1 minute ago, Illwei said:

I think that we shouldn't just believe someone who says they don't have a warder, because...don't all Ajah's have warders? the rules say lone warders are possible, but not that about lone Ajahs. @TJ Shade

Um... yeeah, as I've said before, I don't have a Warder. I'm pretty sure it's a toss up about lone warders, but lone Ajah's are definitely possible.

[James Brafin he/him]

Y'all have a very different meta then what I'm used to if you can have two Brown Ajah in a single game.

[+Lotus she/her]

FYI, I am not going to be on AT ALL from about a hour before rollover to about seven hours afterwards

[Quintessential she/her]

8 minutes ago, Liranil said:

Quinn - Not as active this round? Or at least recently? 

This is because sleep (I just woke up a few hours ago) and general exhaustion : P I'm currently experiencing a certain amount of burnout... I had forgotten how active QFs are, or rather I didn't know in the first place 'cause last time I played one, it was my first game so I spent the whole time lying low XD I've been reading most of what's happened as it's happened, but honestly I've either been too busy to respond or haven't had the energy. 

8 minutes ago, Liranil said:

which means either there's another brown ajah or Dannex is lying about not having any warders. 

Well, or that Lotus is lying because she figured we wouldn't want to kill her if she were bonded to an important role, and Green has already said they're not bonded. But idk how likely that is. Edit: also it would be risky unless elim!Lotus is bonded to another elim, because at the point where she started lying about her bond the person she's bonded to might get suspicious... anyway, this is all tinfoil : P I don't think it's likely she's lying.

3 minutes ago, James Brafin said:

Y'all have a very different meta then what I'm used to if you can have two Brown Ajah in a single game.

I am guessing that's not the only way in which we have a very different meta than what you're used to XD and yeah, generally having multiple rolescanners isn't unheard of. I believe in my first game, also a QF, there was an elim one and a village one. 

Edited January 16, 2021 by Quinn0928

[Illwei]

8 minutes ago, Liranil said:

Burnt Spaghetti - (have I mentioned how much I like your name?) Has some good analysis

Well this makes me wanna go back and read it.

3 hours ago, Burnt Spaghetti said:

Illwei wants to sheep James. Adorable   She also points out ash was the first to mention vote manip and wgg possibility

:shallanblush:

3 hours ago, Burnt Spaghetti said:

Illwei: 'Buddy you gotta be casual, homeslice breadslice pal" Illwei da heck

I'm sorry, does wes gots a problem my dude?

3 hours ago, Burnt Spaghetti said:

In all honesty, i want to observe these three. See how they interact, what they do. However. We need information. And people have been very one way or the other about these. So. simply, one should go. We need more information at this point. 

...I see two. but liranil says connie is there, so, eh okay.

Though I think I'd like to point out something that people here feel...differently about than I do? I don't think this is an analysis. There's some thoughts and a few reads at the end, but I would call this almost pure Information. It's a big dump of everything that went on, which isn't unhelpful technically, but is something that Elims do, because it appears more useful than it is.

[Mat he/him]

• I dunno why people assumed one Brown (I sure didn't...)
• Since I find it likely that one of the Browns is evil: @Lotus, if it comes to it, would you consider saying who your Bond is with? (I'm curious because I still really don't think Dannex is evil.)
• As I said before, I really don't think Dannex is evil. If he is the elims are all laughing at me at the snug pocket I've jumped into, but I don't see it.
• @Quinn0928 I'm still voting on you  convince me to change cause at this point I don't know who to vote.
• I semi-agree with Liranil killing Connie, though idk. Maybe Lotus?

9 hours ago, Illwei said:

Everyone throw out their top ONE village read and how sure they are on them

A bit late, but Liranil :P.

That's obvious, so non obvious? Honestly Dannex. 78% sure, maybe 81% sure.

2 hours ago, Illwei said:

'...hm

is this a consensus opinion? @everyone

...Yeah, pretty much... I wouldn't necessarily label you as slight elim, but I wouldn't jump straight to vil either. And I'm still confused to our near identical reads.

2 hours ago, Liranil said:

I did see that someone tagged asking me about my suspicions of James, and they're mostly based on his excessive tunnelling on me last round which just didn't make sense to me. I need to get caught up again so I'll have a better read on things.

I just read that as the offsite meta *shrug*

1 hour ago, TJ Shade said:

Here you go:

Quinn0928 (1) : Matrim's Dice
Archer (1) : Dannex
StrikerEZ (1) : Illwei
Illwei (1) : Ashbringer
Dannex (1) : Archer

Oof ow ouch we should fix this

1 hour ago, Quinn0928 said:

and honestly I'm super skeptical of the Lotus train because it started from basically nothing and snowballed in the last half-hour of the cycle, and the only reason it picked up speed was "to keep Dannex from being exed".

*Me who casually started both of those trains*  

I think Illwei voted Lotus first but I mentioned my gut read first iirc.

Edited January 16, 2021 by Matrim's Dice

[+Lotus she/her]

1 minute ago, Matrim's Dice said:

Since I find it likely that one of the Browns is evil: @Lotus, if it comes to it, would you consider saying who your Bond is with? (I'm curious because I still really don't think Dannex is evil.)

I have gotten permission from my bonded to say who they are but I would perfer not to at the moment.

[James Brafin he/him]

I'm really not comfortable with the idea of a Dannex lynch at this point, tbh. I've tunneled so hard that I'm not sure that I think it's a safe place to vote, and I really don't like the idea of voting him off just because. I'd honestly be happier voting off Lotus, because they've been really pinging me all game, and we get some decent information without killing off an outed PR. But also maybe that should be the shot tonight? idk. 

9 minutes ago, Illwei said:

Well this makes me wanna go back and read it.

:shallanblush:

I'm sorry, does wes gots a problem my dude?

...I see two. but liranil says connie is there, so, eh okay.

Though I think I'd like to point out something that people here feel...differently about than I do? I don't think this is an analysis. There's some thoughts and a few reads at the end, but I would call this almost pure Information. It's a big dump of everything that went on, which isn't unhelpful technically, but is something that Elims do, because it appears more useful than it is.

You know, I don't disagree with this. I read through it, and it was a nice tl;dr, but I didn't actually find anything helpful about it. I don't know it actually contributes to the game.
I don't know that Burnt has contributed anything to the game, actually. And I know I said myself that she was a PM spider, but I would have expected something by now. It does strike me as weird.

 

Edit:
Also, another thought: I need to deep-dive Dice at some point. If I remember my notes correctly, I was concerned from the very beginning that they were trying pretty hard to fly under the radar, and then just let them do it all game. I thought maybe they were the Green Ajah for a while as well, but that's not right obviously, and there's a decent possibility that Dice is Elim.

Edited January 16, 2021 by James Brafin
No doubleposting

[Illwei]

11 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

I think Illwei voted Lotus first but I mentioned my gut read first iirc.

I will ..

22 hours ago, Matrim's Dice said:

100% gut on their posts. No reasoning, but I don't want Liranil dead after the claim and don't want Dannex dead either.

...Ninja'd by Illwei saying literally exactly the same thing.

I was gonna quite both, but you say it in yours :P. I mentioned my first sus around the same time as you *narrows eyes* and then answered gears' question right before you lmaooo.

This is why I'm always paranoid that Mat is trying to pocket me lmao.

Oh yeah and in looking back at C1, if anyone took what quinn said about constantly gut-reading me Elim to mean anything- which, idk what it would mean, I just want to inform you all that in that first game where she says she read me as Elim, she was on the actual Elim team :P.  and IMO overtly suspicious actions more often than not come from Village.

EDIT:

9 minutes ago, James Brafin said:

and we get some decent information without killing off an outed PR.

it doesn't kill an outed PR, but is potentially removing a PR from the game nonetheless. I'd like Lotus' Ajah to claim.

9 minutes ago, James Brafin said:

I don't know that Burnt has contributed anything to the game, actually. And I know I said myself that she was a PM spider, but I would have expected something by now. It does strike me as weird.

In the other game that I was...in...with her...
Okay well I was dead and she had just replaced in but basically: she did the same thing where she collected info and then dumped it on the thread, so I'm not so sure she's an Elim, but still.

Spoiler

Two posts from her recentist Village game.

 

Edited January 16, 2021 by Illwei

[James Brafin he/him]

I mean, we only lose the PR if we know who it is, best case scenario.
My main concern is that it feels very forced. There was no reason for Lotus to tell us their partner was the brown Ajah, except to push an Dannex lynch. Which I have no idea why Lotus would be doing that, unless they had ulterior motive. But maybe that's just me analyzing too much?

[Quintessential she/her]

13 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

• @Quinn0928 I'm still voting on you  convince me to change cause at this point I don't know who to vote.

Look at the VC again and tell me you still want it that spread out : P

8 minutes ago, Illwei said:

Oh yeah and in looking back at C1, if anyone took what quinn said about constantly gut-reading me Elim to mean anything- which, idk what it would mean, I just want to inform you all that in that first game where she says she read me as Elim, she was on the actual Elim team :P.  and IMO overtly suspicious actions more often than not come from Village.

Yes, this is something I bring up wayyyy too often, probably because Illwei ends up suspected every game she's in. 

Edit: @James Brafin if Lotus is the village Warder of a PR that she believes is also village, she would want to keep herself alive because if she dies then the village PR loses their powers. Also, given what we've been discussing she probably would come to the conclusion that Dannex is elim, if through PMs she's more or less confirmed to herself that her Ajah is village.

Of course, the other possibility is that Lotus (and possibly her Ajah) is/are elim. In which case this would also make sense.

Edited January 16, 2021 by Quinn0928

[James Brafin he/him]

I actually completely trust Illwei. If you look back through her C1, she crumbs some stuff that I don't think comes from Elim.

[+Lotus she/her]

1 minute ago, James Brafin said:

I mean, we only lose the PR if we know who it is, best case scenario.
My main concern is that it feels very forced. There was no reason for Lotus to tell us their partner was the brown Ajah, except to push an Dannex lynch. Which I have no idea why Lotus would be doing that, unless they had ulterior motive. But maybe that's just me analyzing too much?

My Aes Sedai may or may not have thought very much that I should claim.

[Illwei]

Just now, Quinn0928 said:

: P

*narrows eyes*

Just now, Quinn0928 said:

Yes, this is something I bring up wayyyy too often, probably because Illwei ends up suspected every game she's in. 

Hey hey hey a little healthy suspicion is good for your health! just so long as people remember that I'm probably suspicious because I'm uncaring of how I'm presenting myself :P.

2 minutes ago, James Brafin said:

I mean, we only lose the PR if we know who it is, best case scenario.

What do you mean by that? If we kill lotus then the potential brown Ajah no longer has their powers. @Lotus you said an hour before, so you still here? I think if they gave you permission then you should name drop. then they can verify themselves.