Ivory Dragonfly Posted January 3, 2021 Posted January 3, 2021 I... I think opal lions methods of getting prudence restored are... Questionable. To say the least. But personally I think they mean well. If they are lying about having Pru. Well. I don't see a follower of odium being that suicidal. If there's continued uncertainty, get someone who can check their level of investige to confirm they have a shard. I'm inclined to trust them though. In regards to the other people. Uh... I respect the cautiousness of those voting opal but ehhh. Plum getting confirmation and reacting I can respect though. So it's gecko or beagle at this point if I'm reading this right. I. Will go do a read and report back. Beagle I recall nothing of. Gecko I only remember randomly gut reading me villageryish
Violet Axolotl Posted January 3, 2021 Posted January 3, 2021 13 minutes ago, Opal Lion said: I don't know, something there feels off to me, kinda. I agree, and I can't pinpoint exactly what. But at this point my vote is staying because I don't like exeing Beagle immediately, and Gecko does have reasons to be the one to go.
Amethyst Scorpion Posted January 3, 2021 Posted January 3, 2021 25 minutes ago, Sage Kangaroo said: Hmm, I'd thought I'd posted earlier today, but it doesn't look like I did. Also, just noticed something in the rules: it seems surprisingly hard to kill Honor. If Honor stays out of Roshar, it seems difficult to kill them (can only die to the vote, kill roles, kill items, or Ruin's investee). Plus, they probably won't die to the vote, since they could easily claim if they were in any danger. Unless I'm missing something here, it generally seems like there's very little that the elims can do against Shards right now (Shards shouldn't claim though, since they can take Champion kills, plus the elims will probably have a one use kill IMO). ʏᴇᴀʜ, ɪᴛ's ǫᴜɪᴛᴇ ʟɪᴋᴇʟʏ ᴛʜᴇʏ ʜᴀᴠᴇ ᴀ ᴏɴᴇ ᴛɪᴍᴇ ᴋɪʟʟ ʙᴇᴄᴀᴜsᴇ ᴏғ ᴛʜᴀᴛ. ɪ'ᴅ ʙᴇ ʀᴏᴜᴛɪɴᴇʟʏ sᴜsᴩɪᴄᴏᴜs ᴏғ ᴀɴʏᴏɴᴇ sᴩᴇɴᴅɪɴɢ ᴛɪᴍᴇ ᴏɴ ʀᴏsʜᴀʀ...
Coral Swan Posted January 3, 2021 Posted January 3, 2021 If Lion's primary goal was to fish for Cultivation, they wouldn't have claimed Prudence 50 minutes after the original post. I don't know why Lion is particularly interested in knowing Cultivation's identity, but it's only a problem for elim Lion and I don't think that's the case. The main things against Gecko look to be the vote on Kangaroo with no real reasoning late in the day, and with the guess that the elims weren't trying all the way to bus Crocodile that tilts elim. Gecko was afraid enough of removal to move to First of the Sun, which is only good for self-preservation, knowing that their vote on Kangaroo might raise suspicions. I'm pretty sure it was Axolotl who said that Gecko was more on the suspect list if Heron was a villager, but it looks like that was because Heron expressed suspicion of Gecko and since Heron was a villager that's less valuable than if Heron were evil. Beagle's gotten enough pings asking for information, so I don't think anything else I can do will help. I'll stick a vote on Taupe Gecko now and hopefully come back in time to see what Beagle wanted with Autonomy.
Opal Lion Posted January 3, 2021 Posted January 3, 2021 12 minutes ago, Coral Swan said: The main things against Gecko look to be the vote on Kangaroo with no real reasoning late in the day, and with the guess that the elims weren't trying all the way to bus Crocodile that tilts elim. Gecko was afraid enough of removal to move to First of the Sun, which is only good for self-preservation, knowing that their vote on Kangaroo might raise suspicions. I'm pretty sure it was Axolotl who said that Gecko was more on the suspect list if Heron was a villager, but it looks like that was because Heron expressed suspicion of Gecko and since Heron was a villager that's less valuable than if Heron were evil. I'm sorry, can you explain the bolded bit?
Coral Swan Posted January 3, 2021 Posted January 3, 2021 Just now, Opal Lion said: I'm sorry, can you explain the bolded bit? If Heron was evil, they would know whether Gecko was too and any read would have an agenda, either making Heron look good or casting doubt on someone innocent depending on Gecko's alignment. Since Heron was a villager and didn't know Gecko's alignment, it's only one person's opinion. Confirmed to be not malicious, but certainly not enough on its own to be condemning. Compounding Fortune was hard work, and Enoras was beginning to feel overwhelmed by the constant tuggings of fate and connection. Right now, they were saying that Beagle would be important somehow, and so Enoras set off to find out why.
Plum Rhinoceros Posted January 3, 2021 Posted January 3, 2021 Journal of Solemnheart - Annotation, Day Five Post-Illumination, Shadesmar I appear to have lost a few pages of my journal. I shall attempt to write again in summary. Opal Lion... it appears I did misread your true claim, as I had thought you explicitly asked for Cultivation to contact you again. While that is perhaps implied in "There is no intermediary" which to me suggests direct contact, that is a linguistic judgement which I am in no position to make. I still do not like your continued desire to meet Cultivation, as I believe secrecy is their best safety. But the need of repaired PMs seems to trump that, and I believe your claim of the Investee of Prudence.
Oxblood Beagle Posted January 3, 2021 Posted January 3, 2021 13 hours ago, Fuchsia Ostrich said: "I'm sorry Mr. Gorilla, but I don't think I should do that. The name seems culturally significant, and might reveal the planet to those who are more cosmere aware then I am. This is my first time on this planet, so I can't be sure what information would be dangerous to Autonomy to reveal. Until the Aspect indicates they want this information revealed, I won't reveal it. I don't want to push Autonomy to the side of Odium. I have asked the Aspect if I can reveal their planet or name, and I will tell you if they say I can. The way I see it, there are two probably scenarios; in the first Oxblood Beagle is a villager. In this case, the Champions have no information about Autonomy, and do not have any leverage over them. Autonomy has no reason to help Odium as long as they are kept hidden. I would prefer a Neutral Autonomy to an Odious Autonomy. In the second scenario, Oxblood Beagle is an Eliminator, and therefore the champions already know the 3 possible candidates for Autonomy. In that case, it is in the village's best interests to protect Autonomy, as otherwise they could be a powerful force against us. We could do that by having Ruin destroy Braize and Ashyn on Cycles 5 and 6, limiting what Rosharan Worlds Autonomy has to invest in, while keeping Odium bound. If we do that, Autonomy has no reason to fear Odium, and can continue to remain neutral and/or help us. But we don't know if that is necessary unless we know Oxblood Beagle's alignment. I don't think I'm missing anything in my Analysis, but please correct me if I am." Right. Well, I was hoping Ostrich would remain quiet, but my threats were fairly obvious. Here's the thing. I fully suspect Autonomy will align with Odium given no village intervention. My reasoning is simple. For their win condition, Autonomy must travel to all nine Shard-worlds. This includes the planets in the Rosharan system. We also know that Odium receives a list of all players entering the Rosharan system, and can target them for Destruction. I am assuming that most players have cleared out of that region, and are staying far way for the remaining cycles. Venturing onto one of the planets might reveal Autonomy to Odium. Venturing onto all three definitely will. At that point, Odium has all the leverage he needs. I can easily imagine one of his associates making a simple demand. Align with him, or get blasted out of the sky. If Ostrich is evil, Team Odium has narrowed the list significantly. The longer Autonomy delays going to Roshar, the more breadcrumbs they leave behind. in addition, Autonomy is one of the most powerful players in the game. The last thing I want is them on Odium's side. I was hoping they would contact me so I could work out a plan to ally them with the village. I did not want that with any bystanders present, and I assumed that they had ventured to Shadesmar. I'm assuming that that place is crowded, and to disguise themselves Autonomy is probably sticking with the crowd. After much thought, the best plan of action to avoid Autonomy aligning with Odium is simple. Autonomy needs to get in contact with Valor. That way, Autonomy could venture into the Rosharan system, without risking Odium's wrath. I doubt Odium would attack in that situation, as Valor would kill them if they tried it. Without that layer of protection, I find it likely that Autonomy will side with Odium. Unfortunately, now that this is all out in the air, I fear I've greatly damaged our chances of an amicable relationship. In addition, I'm now up for the lynch. Honestly, I kind of deserve that. However, that is a mistake. It was revealed that Taupe Gecko fled to First of the Sun, so I am actually leading in the count. I'm still suspicious of Coral Swan but preservation comes first. I hope it will not come to this, but I can prove my role if necessary. It's not alignment indicative, but I think you'll find it's a bit too powerful for Odium's team to start out with. Sincerely, Lady Orchid
Onyx Flamingo Posted January 3, 2021 Posted January 3, 2021 taupe gecko (5): violet axolotl, onyx flamingo, saffron iguana, charcoal hyena, coral swan, oxblood beagle sapphire elephant (1): quartz zebra oxblood beagle (4): fuchsia ostrich, azure mouse, taupe gecko, plum rhinoceros opal lion (1): melon dingo i made a nicer looking version of the vote count!! yay!! also accounted for the fact that tape lizard is on that one planet that removes votes!!! anyway, i keep reading things and making opinions on people, then forgetting them as soon as i've finished!! it's so hard to remember who's who. one thing i do somehow remember is that i think the big white cat (opal lion) is being genuine!! they could still be elim despite that, but i think they are being genuine.
Opal Lion Posted January 3, 2021 Posted January 3, 2021 Hm. I'm going to throw a vote on Gecko for now. I don't know if some of those on beagle are on braize.
Azure Mouse Posted January 3, 2021 Posted January 3, 2021 [OOC: Sorry for the late — actually nah. A wizard is never early or late. He arrives precisely when he means to I can confirm Opal Lion is NuPru. This is because they used their investee powers to open a PM with me. They are not on Shadesmar, spanreeds do not work this way, the PM does not have Seon authentication, and it lasts for two cycles. There is no other explanation than it being a PM that utilises Prudence's Investment Ability. It is slightly possible Opal Lion is merely the beneficiary of that PM. To which I would remark that actual NuPru seems to be surprisingly okay with this as she has remained silent thus far. I note that this doesn't confirm Opal Lion's allegiances, only that Opal Lion is Prudence. I further note that any kill on an already-shattered Shard, as per the rules, will kill the Shard, removing it from the game. In other words, if we want Prudence to stick around, best get cracking. I just got home so I'll be back to post more thoughts especially about the state of the mobbing and Oxblood Beagle's non-response and leave my final vote later.]
Coral Swan Posted January 3, 2021 Posted January 3, 2021 4 hours ago, Oxblood Beagle said: At that point, Odium has all the leverage he needs. I can easily imagine one of his associates making a simple demand. Align with him, or get blasted out of the sky. Threats are both unethical and ineffective, since Autonomy can ask for protection from Valor and Honor's Investee after outing the elim who made the threat in retribution, but the elims learning Autonomy's identity by observing who is visiting Shardworlds in the Rosharan system would indeed give them an opportunity for an alliance. I do feel like if Autonomy wants an alliance they can get one with Shadesmar PMs if nothing else and that they wouldn't appreciate having you ask an original inhabitant for the C1 planet player list. Being able to offer Autonomy protection would be helpful though. Following this one lead had taken too much time, and Enoras decided this was an excellent opportunity to rest and see how things turned out.
Azure Mouse Posted January 3, 2021 Posted January 3, 2021 [OOC:... And this is what I get for scrolling down too fast. Sorry, Oxblood Beagle did reply and I will look at everything once I get cleaned up and have had food. Akan datang.]
Sapphire Elephant Posted January 3, 2021 Posted January 3, 2021 "sorry, been dozin' off overdosin' off late. some thoughts of fellas thoughts since i lasht shpoke. there be some holes is the scary burds (ostrichers are heckin' scary ya know?) plan ta help mistah A by destroyin ashyn and braize - as some of ya have already pointed it out. id like ta add another thing. afta ruin deeshtroys the said wurlds, then if ati gets killed and ruin passes ta OCs, they be needin only two mor cycles ta deshtroy roshar and set big o free. helpin auto good cosh them be feelin good tawards us, but helpin auto at the cosht of our wincon not good. though i feel big burds comments are from village pershpective itshelf" 9 hours ago, Sage Kangaroo said: Beagle - very mild elim - I do find their behavior in regards to Autonomy odd Gecko - very mild elim - Their behavior during the first turn was odd, since they didn't really say anything and then bandwagoned me "ish thish a vote on both? neither? either? ha! im finding more fellas that are drunk like me, juusht hidin it better. embrace your inner drunk my frens!" "about mistahs redhounds desiyah to know bout auto is iffy in bout itself. i do get bout the curiosity to know about them neutral fellas, but beagles way isnt the way to go about. woulda found it more sushpishus if not for this: 8 hours ago, Oxblood Beagle said: After much thought, the best plan of action to avoid Autonomy aligning with Odium is simple. Autonomy needs to get in contact with Valor. That way, Autonomy could venture into the Rosharan system, without risking Odium's wrath. I doubt Odium would attack in that situation, as Valor would kill them if they tried it. Without that layer of protection, I find it likely that Autonomy will side with Odium. "feel like the part bout valor protectin auto be comin' more likely from a village pershpective rather than ocs. nice idea, will help auto to create ikyks with ocs if n when they go to roshar. also could not only be done by valor but also by them dancer on the edges and fellas with protect items. though not as effective as valor cosh valor kills attacker." 6 hours ago, Onyx Flamingo said: taupe gecko (5): violet axolotl, onyx flamingo, saffron iguana, charcoal hyena, coral swan, oxblood beagle sapphire elephant (1): quartz zebra oxblood beagle (4): fuchsia ostrich, azure mouse, taupe gecko, plum rhinoceros opal lion (1): melon dingo "issa missing my vote on gecko! and now lions as well. seee" On 1/2/2021 at 1:02 AM, Sapphire Elephant said: "zebra, gecko and tuatara are here with me in fursht of the sun by the way. feel like everyone shud know whos takin refuge in a planet that removesh a vote from them. i deshided to move here becosh i tried to explain my train of thoughts leadin to my change of vote, but shtill feel people do not believe me. meanwhile gecko on the other hand hash remained shilent and made no effort to put forth an explanashun. and is now chillin in the fursht of the sun. gecko
Sage Kangaroo Posted January 3, 2021 Posted January 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, Sapphire Elephant said: "ish thish a vote on both? neither? either? ha! im finding more fellas that are drunk like me, juusht hidin it better. embrace your inner drunk my frens!" No vote, I'm just coloring based on suspicion level.
Ivory Dragonfly Posted January 3, 2021 Posted January 3, 2021 (edited) Oxblood: Have a dislike of the lack of votes Voted swan for the late-cycle vote Apparently trying to work out who Autonomy is. I don't personally find this too suspicious. Something to keep an eye on for sure, but I can understand the curiosity, especially when one has the means to solve this. So seems to me is being voted because they are focusing on neutrals not elims. Interesting. Correct me if this is an incorrect read They do seem legitimately concerned about odium and autonomy interacting though, and that gives me villager vibes. I will note- Autonomy only needs an aspect on the non destroyed planets. Waiting for roshar to be destroyed is a perfectly feasible strategy. I expect them to be more willing to team up with ruin than with Odium Gecko: Violet thought gecko and heron would be unaligned with each other, apparently just paranoia. Released a suspicion list. I'm still surprised I was put on village-ish. But probably more a case of, hadn't done anything wrong yet. Idk if that's alignment indicative, but I'm just always paranoid when people trust me. I'm like. But why. No don't trust me! That's not the point! No! I don't deserve this! Don't trust me unless its proven xD But I appreciate you Gecko lol. I... otherwise actually soft agree with their list I think? I mean, I'd make some small changes, but like, I don't, especially this early none of the reads make me mad persay? They late voted and jumped on sage, attempt to save croc? Probably the leading reading people are voting Gecko I imagine. Also on a planet that means vote reductions apparently. Knew this was coming? So. To me this looks like, put simply, removal of either someone who is paranoid about neutral/evil interactions, or someone who voted in a manner that could be an eliminator defending an ally. Gecko My Thoughts on people: List unfinished, I'd rather not post this any closer to cycle close, especially given there's a vote in this post. I'll work on it and complete it later Spoiler Neutral: Amethyst Scorpion Azure Mouse Charcoal Hyena - I respect the commitment to poetry. Chartreuse Penguin - They are a Kenku apparently. Expert in mimicry. Coral Swan Cream Tuatara Fuchsia Ostrich Indigo Weasel Ivory Dragonfly Magenta Albatross - pro pm restoration Oxblood Beagle - paranoid about autonomy/odium interaction Pearl Chameleon Plum Rhinoceros Quartz Zebra Scarlet Octopus Soft Village: Sage Kangaroo - I'm inclined to believe that given their removal buddy and their alignment, they seem fine. Voted croc, but self pres. Opal Lion - Prudence. I'm willing to trust given how suicidal they seem in trying to get pms back. Also voted croc. Azure Mouse- Active contributor Violet Axolotl - Their panic last cycle about being killed rings more paranoid villager than crafty eliminator. Plus seem useful and they are active. Also voted Croc Onyx Flamingo - Croc voter Amber Vulture - Croc voter Saffron Iguana - General gut from their posts and reasonings. Turquoise Gorilla -did not vote mauve, however, they at least had reasoning for their sage votes which mean I don't find this too sus. In general, I find their reasoning to be well thought out. Soft Sus: Melon Dingo- I feel like they're interacting without saying much? Odd jump on opals claim Taupe Gecko - late voter on sage Sapphire Elephant- retracted a croc vote Edited January 3, 2021 by Ivory Dragonfly Formatting
Amber Vulture Posted January 3, 2021 Posted January 3, 2021 OK, I believe Gecko is in the lead. I'm not opposed to Gecko being the candidate, given their actions last cycle, but I find Elephant to be more suspicious between Elephant and Gecko. There are three factors in this. First, the order of votes was Gecko (tieing Croc and Kangaroo, after vote manipulation is taken into account), Elephant (putting Croc in the lead), and Kangaroo (equalising again). That means that Gecko, as an Elim would have seen the vote as a coin flip, with a 50% chance that their save wouldn't work and have suspicion cast on Gecko as well. Elephant, by contrast, could have felt comfortable in the thought that saving a teammate would not be immediately noticed. Secondly, Elephant voted on Croc early in the cycle, back before Croc wasn't a serious lynch candidate, and only retracted in the end of the cycle when Croc was. This seems much more suspicious in my eyes, since the early vote could be a distancing tactic, only to be removed once the possibility that Croc was the lynch candidated became apparent. (The main flaw with this plan is to ask why Elephant didn't remove his vote sooner, when it would cast less suspicion, instead of in the final 5 minutes of the cycle. I suspect it may be because they simply weren't online until then. Their previous post was 10 hours before rollover, when Crocodile and Kangaroo were tied on 3 votes each.) Finally, Gecko simply gives me a better gut read than Elephant does. While I didn't (and now definitely don't) agree with Gecko's vote on Kangaroo, it doesn't seem like the kind of post an Elim would make to me either, partially for the reasons given above, partially just because their tone seems more villagery to me, like it's Day 1 and they don't have any special information to go off of, so are just taking a stab in the dark with their best guess. Elephant gives me very different vibes, though a part of that may be the RP.
Azure Mouse Posted January 3, 2021 Posted January 3, 2021 (edited) [OOC: Thinking through the votes again as I am a bit astonished by my vote on Oxblood Beagle (to be precise, joining Fuchsia Ostrich) as gaining as much traction. Current state of my suspicions, in general, as it's good to get it out before I drown in work again tomorrow. Apologies for the timing but I was out all day, and have only gotten the evening to sit down and think and read. Not in any particular order within each tier: Trustworthy (aka strong Village): Spoiler No one. It's D2 and I haven't been able to switch my brain on for most of it due to RL. Akan datang! Mostly Harmless (aka weak Village): Keep in mind that anyone in this tier can be revised, as with all the tiers. This is more a reflection of my current state of beliefs. Spoiler Sage Kangaroo: Tentatively, because I don't think that asking the neutrals to claim is necessarily a bad thing, or to put it another way, it might not necessarily be intuitively obvious as something good for the neutrals, but is consistent with a Village/Elim read. I don't really see an Eliminator having reason to stick their necks out this early, and so as mentioned, it's why I saw the competing vote wagons as being a blow-up, though I could not decide if it was Village-on-Village or Elim-versus-Village and thus endeavoured to avoid adding to the screaming. Of all the people up for the vote at that time: <Octopus, Penguin, Gorilla, Iguana, Dingo, Kangaroo>, Crocodile chose Kangaroo. It could be an Elim ploy, but in the absence of a solid Elim profile, I'd like to note this could also be because Crocodile felt it was easiest to give a 'reasoned' vote on Kangaroo, or it could be because there are others of Odium in that set and Crocodile didn't want to call attention to them. We have no way of knowing right now, but I think it's a data point worth keeping in mind. Probably strongest of my weak Village reads. Opal Lion: Tentative as well. One of the early voters on Crocodile who didn't move. Could be an Elim wishing to retain Village credit, but then I'm really not sure as mobbing Crocodile was not this easy and was a near thing. Partly depends on Elim profile, I think. Currently reads sincere to me, though could be mistaken. Confirmed NuPru. Ivory Dragonfly: Tentative, but slightly stronger Village read for this tier than Lion, less strong than Kangaroo. Interactions in Shadesmar have been positive, if Pru-focused. Look harder if it ever turns out Opal Lion is Elim. Violet Axolotl: S i g h. I'm paranoid about the game he's playing as much doesn't make sense, but that being said, good vibes, highly-engaged with the discussion, and I like his voting patterns, in general. Yes, he avowedly would have voted in favour of Croc and against Kangaroo, but he also has a vote distribution pattern I'm slightly more comfortable with, as I often find that Eliminators are not interested in diversifying and over-reason. Tentative weak Village. Coral Swan: ...it's under an hour to rollover so I'll just say lean weak Village y'all can yell at me for reasons later because I want to get this out before the rollover, but in short, helpful and insightful. Fuchsia Ostrich: Lean weak village. Will come back to the issue if it turns out Taupe Gecko is an Eliminator as they could be an Elim trying to stir trouble to divert attention, but in the absence of that, seems sincere and helpful. (Storms. I'm saying that a lot but AAAA THE CLOCK!!!! I had good noodles and cinnamon cookie crumble ice cream though so going out was worth it. Fight me y'all More Bland Than Rice Noodles (aka null reads): In general; say more. Some of them appear to be crouching which could be good or bad, hard to say. Rhino and Flamingo are special cases because I have difficulty deciding, but the clock is my enemy. Spoiler Pearl Chameleon - interesting question, @Pearl Chameleon, how's Taupe Gecko like in PMs? Chartreuse Penguin - null, lean powergamer, lean Village - could have saved Croc, if in fact we are postulating that the Elims are in fact trying to do so via Gecko. Did not. Plum Rhinoceros - null, lean Village Scarlet Octopus Onyx Flamingo - null, lean very weak Village for vote on Crocodile - weak because Elim would know Crocodile was leading then, but that train could be expected to grow/shift. No retraction either. Might need to come back later to revise strength of Village read. Amethyst Scorpion - null, lean weak Evil. Amber Vulture - null, lean very weak Village for vote on Crocodile for similar reasons to Onyx Flamingo. To be sorted later. Charcoal Hyena - null, lean weak Evil. If I've missed anyone, you're probably null, I'm sorry Is This Evil? (aka weak evil reads): This tier contains weak evil reads, and some people who should probably be a null read but that I go back and forth over. Spoiler Saffron Iguana: Iguana Mark 1 wasn't really engaging with the thread apart from pure RP. Iguana Mark 2 has been a bit more active in PMs for everyone on Shadesmar, but I'm interested by how much Iguana Mark 2 spent the first chunk of the cycle PM networking and focusing on getting us all to kill Hyena. Could be the sign of a tunneling Villager, or a laser-focused Eliminator, since Eliminators tend to have more inflexible suspicions. Distrust. Sapphire Elephant: Sigh. I'm undecided about this one, and could go into null tier or here. After yelling at Elephant for most of this cycle via my Shadesmar PM and getting yelled at in return, I am relaxing some of my distrust of Elephant for the time being. I still am not very fond of the last minute switch from Crocodile to Flamingo, but at the same time, Elephant appears to be contributing and active at the moment, and at least a bit helpful, so while he's in my suspect pool, I don't know if I want to support offing Elephant right now. Also I dislike turning mobbing votes around at the last bloody minute so I'm not about to start right now. Oxblood Beagle: Reasons given, and I'm not sure if my distaste for the ethics of coercion is colouring my judgement but my issue remains that focusing on the neutrals even in the form of 'deny them Autonomy' isn't exactly Village and I don't see them hyper-focusing on Survival or Invention either. Of course it could be partly convenience due to being on a planet with an aspect of Autonomy, but it just doesn't read quite right to me. Weird reasoning does not an Eliminator make, but I'm suspicious for the reasons outlined. Offering Valor seems a little better, but then again, I don't really see the obsession with alliances - alliances are based on mutual interest and are not really meant to last. Keeping Autonomy on our side, or whether we have Autonomy making a deal with Odium is besides the point - Autonomy is hardly going to become ride-or-die-buddies with the Elims when Autonomy has their own wincon to fulfill. Again, weird reasoning does not an Eliminator make, so I guess weak Evil read. Turquoise Gorilla: Helpful in thread, with good reasoning, but I just have a gut distrust I can't explain, probably partly from Sel D1, and it's driving me nuts. Lean weak Evil. Taupe Gecko: Was quiet on Sel D1, and had a last-minute vote on Sage Kangaroo and in favour of Crocodile. Claimed distaste for the vote trains, which, to be fair, is not exactly new. I partly disagree with Amber Vulture on this though - if Elims trying to save teammates was a net loss, then we should never have had situations in which this happened. Of course, what Vulture means is likely that Gecko's singular vote would be bad odds, which indicates to me that the presumption Gecko is an Elim also requires one of two things: the Elim team has bigger risk appetite than Vulture's current profile allows for, or that Gecko and Elephant are Elims together. (Although I asked for clarification about the results of ties, I did not receive clarification until quite a while into the game, so I wonder if the Elim team could have thought ties led to no lynches on mistake.) I don't feel fleeing to First of the Sun is in itself damning - Gecko was already up as a suspect on N1, and last minute votes are always known to be suspicious, which means any returning player would be well aware the spotlight of suspicion, and potentially, a mobbing, would be cast on them. Ultimately though, voted to save Crocodile (even at 50-50 odds), reasons unclear. tldr; lean weak Evil as well. I think I will leave my vote where it is. Taupe is clearly in the lead, and I dislike last minute vote shenanigans unless I am screamingly dissatisfied with who is currently up for the mobbing - which I am not. No super strong evil reads yet, which might be a symptom of me being rushed, or not having much headspace to process today.] Edited January 3, 2021 by Azure Mouse formtting why
little wilson she/her Posted January 3, 2021 Posted January 3, 2021 8 minutes late, but the turn is closed!
Elbereth she/her Posted January 3, 2021 Author Posted January 3, 2021 (edited) Night 2: [wanted to get the results to you first and we spent all rollover figuring out what happened but it's gonna be good don't worry] Prudence was unshattered and is now a full Shard! Oxblood Beagle was a Child of Adonalsium holding Endowment! Endowment has been removed from the game. Vote Count Taupe Gecko (7): Charcoal Hyena, Coral Swan, Ivory Dragonfly, Onyx Flamingo, Opal Lion, Oxblood Beagle, Saffron Iguana, Sapphire Elephant, Violet Axolotl Oxblood Beagle (5): Azure Mouse, Fuchsia Ostrich, Plum Rhinoceros, Taupe Gecko Opal Lion (1): Melon Dingo Sapphire Elephant (0): Quartz Zebra Night 1 has begun and will end in 46ish hours, at 8am MST on January 5th. Get your actions in! Player List 1. Amber Vulture - (Creative Cook) 2. Amethyst Scorpion - Mort (Deathspren) 3. Azure Mouse - Tenth of the Dusk/Kaikoa (Bounty Hunter) 4. Charcoal Hyena - Soren (Hobbyist (Poet)) 5. Chartreuse Penguin - (Bumblebee) 6. Coral Swan - Enoras (Prophetic) 7. Cream Tuatara - (Prophetic) 8. Fuchsia Ostrich - Konion (Unlucky orphan) 9. Indigo Weasel - Iadhain 'the Weasel' Ramer (Kleptomaniac ) 10. Ivory Dragonfly - Eris (Decisive) 11. Magenta Albatross - Relas (Distracted) 12. Mauve Crocodile - Siena Ashao (Unlucky)Forger 13. Melon Dingo - Niru Drash (Insane-Egomaniac-Scholar) 14. Mint Heron - Nihalin (Hobbyist)Original Prudence 15. Onyx Flamingo - (Excitable) 16. Opal Lion - Remy (Hobbyist) 17. Oxblood Beagle - Lady Orchid (Gossip)Endowment 18. Pearl Chameleon - (Compulsive Gambler) 19. Plum Rhinoceros - Solemnheart (Returned-Amnesiac-Scholar) 20. Quartz Zebra - Sophos (Bad Stormwarden) 21. Saffron Iguana - Vatorr Maj (Tinker) 22. Sage Kangaroo - Arleoxtai Ashvtet (Gossip) 23. Sapphire Elephant - Al (Drunk) 24. Scarlet Octopus - () 25. Taupe Gecko - Aurora (Bad Human) 26. Turquoise Gorilla - () 27. Violet Axolotl - Sir Brockett (Elderly) Edited January 3, 2021 by Elbereth 1
Opal Lion Posted January 3, 2021 Posted January 3, 2021 (edited) So. Oxblood didn't manage to invest anyone, Fuschia is on Braize and didn't tell us, and...Gecko...had more votes??? Edited January 3, 2021 by Opal Lion
Sapphire Elephant Posted January 3, 2021 Posted January 3, 2021 "uh el, hows this possible?" 13 minutes ago, Elbereth said: Taupe Gecko (6): Charcoal Hyena, Coral Swan, Ivory Dragonfly, Onyx Flamingo, Opal Lion, Oxblood Beagle, Saffron Iguana, Violet Axolotl Oxblood Beagle (5): Azure Mouse, Fuchsia Ostrich, Plum Rhinoceros, Taupe Gecko 13 minutes ago, Elbereth said: Oxblood Beagle was a Child of Adonalsium holding Endowment! Endowment has been removed from the game. "also i dont see my vote. i had a vote on gecko"
Elbereth she/her Posted January 3, 2021 Author Posted January 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, Sapphire Elephant said: "uh el, hows this possible?" "also i dont see my vote. i had a vote on gecko" Gecko was not removed. *grumbles* Okay, fixed.
Sage Kangaroo Posted January 3, 2021 Posted January 3, 2021 1 minute ago, Elbereth said: Gecko was not removed. *grumbles* Okay, fixed. Is vote manipulation shown? Does Mercy make someone survive the vote, or does it make the next person die? I'm really not sure what happened here?
Opal Lion Posted January 3, 2021 Posted January 3, 2021 @Elbereth If survival is voted out, will it show no-kill or will it trickle down to the next top target?
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