Onyx Flamingo Posted January 2, 2021 Posted January 2, 2021 46 minutes ago, Violet Axolotl said: Flamingo, most of those suspicions seem to be piggybacking off of others and I don't like that too much. I don't think that Gecko putting Chameleon in their CoA reads is especially incriminating, though if they flip OC I might want to look into it later. Chameleon theoretically should be getting replaced soon as well. is it wrong to have opinions that others have? it is hard for me to keep track of what others are saying, so when other people are saying things about someone, it’s easier for me to remember that!! 6 minutes ago, Azure Mouse said: [OOC: Odium can't splinter them, but the GMs won't let them, either. Rules say that Shards cannot invest in other Shards, shattered or otherwise, so Preservation's investiture action wouldn't work. There are other ways to handle the situation but in general if whoever's got Pru isn't in the Rosharan system to begin with, then they're probably fine with the biggest worry being Odites having access to a non-Odite kill, e.g. redirecting Ruin's invest kill or kill items. that’s unfortunate. :((((
Violet Axolotl Posted January 2, 2021 Posted January 2, 2021 44 minutes ago, Onyx Flamingo said: is it wrong to have opinions that others have? it is hard for me to keep track of what others are saying, so when other people are saying things about someone, it’s easier for me to remember that!! Only if it persists. It's not an issue right now. I'm just making note to remember in my own way; I suppose I was a bit aggressive in my wording.
Saffron Iguana Posted January 2, 2021 Posted January 2, 2021 After further Shadesmar-enabled discussion, Hyena has convinced me of their rationale for their D1 activity. I therefore switch my vote to the other obvious candidate for expulsion, that cold-blooded Gecko. Looking at those two names, I wish I could invent a way to help red-green colorblind people play this game... Hyena Gecko
Quartz Zebra Posted January 2, 2021 Posted January 2, 2021 Isn’t Elephant also an obvious target? Taken at face value, a last-minute vote retraction is pretty suspicious when an elim with a strong role is involved.
Violet Axolotl Posted January 2, 2021 Posted January 2, 2021 Just now, Quartz Zebra said: Isn’t Elephant also an obvious target? Taken at face value, a last-minute vote retraction is pretty suspicious when an elim with a strong role is involved. I think Elephant has contributed enough otherwise. Their original Croc vote was one of the most reasoned-out. Still waiting for @Oxblood Beagle's explanation.
Opal Lion Posted January 2, 2021 Posted January 2, 2021 Cultivation, I am in contact with Prudence. If you have a PM ability, please contact me and I can direct you to Prudence. If you value PMs, that is. :P. If not we can probably survive off of Docs is what I'm thinking.
Quartz Zebra Posted January 2, 2021 Posted January 2, 2021 20 minutes ago, Violet Axolotl said: Their original Croc vote was one of the most reasoned-out. Doesn't that make a retraction more suspicious? And contribution =/= village.
Violet Axolotl Posted January 2, 2021 Posted January 2, 2021 9 minutes ago, Quartz Zebra said: Doesn't that make a retraction more suspicious? And contribution =/= village. I suppose it can, though Elephant's vote was very early on and their retraction was the latest post so there was a lot of time to change their mind. The contribution point is solid, though if that's any form of basis for an exe I'd rather wait until later cycles to kill the actives. I agree with your general argument, though. I'd just rather wait a bit longer.
Opal Lion Posted January 2, 2021 Posted January 2, 2021 Hello! After reading (for a...10th? time?) the Rules I modify my statement! Culti, there is no intermediary! if you want PMs then target me! (hey hey hey Elims, don't you guys want PMs too? I think so! they're fun! you can manipulate people, like me!) -- Remy liked pockets. Warm, cozy, just the right size for- What was he doing again? he was here to...find something. something that was not...pockets...
Melon Dingo Posted January 3, 2021 Posted January 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Opal Lion said: Cultivation, I am in contact with Prudence. If you have a PM ability, please contact me and I can direct you to Prudence. If you value PMs, that is. :P. If not we can probably survive off of Docs is what I'm thinking. 1 hour ago, Opal Lion said: Hello! After reading (for a...10th? time?) the Rules I modify my statement! Culti, there is no intermediary! if you want PMs then target me! (hey hey hey Elims, don't you guys want PMs too? I think so! they're fun! you can manipulate people, like me!) -- Remy liked pockets. Warm, cozy, just the right size for- What was he doing again? he was here to...find something. something that was not...pockets... Both of these seem... fishy to say the least. Looks a lot like an elim desperately trying to find Cultivation. Sure, the plan has some warrant to try and fix Prudence. But in my honest opinion, I think PMs aren’t as good as everyone thinks they are. In the last game I played, there were many people only giving their reasons for voting as “PM reasons.” This reluctance to share information only hurts the village. To be honest, the only use of PM’s is just to roleclaim without letting the whole world know. Even then, it’s generally not a good idea unless you have a strong village read on the person. So, I’ll put my vote on Opal Lion. I don’t think many will join me in this, but their last two post seem very suspicious. ———————————————————————————————————— I was shocked by audacity of the one who called themselves Remy, and I’m insane. Some might say that my audacity was greater, as I believed that private talks weren’t any good—against popular opinion. But what can you do when you’re as great as me? It’s to much to ask for lesser beings to understand the mind of the great Niru Drash! Some might not think I’m great, because like old Vasher once said, “...what lord would wear a drab brown cloak, ripped in several places? What lord would sport bruises from a bar fight, a half-grown beard, and boots worn from years of walking?” Though, I didn’t really fit all the descriptors of that quote, I did like to make art out of my own blood. Maybe that’s why people always gave me weird looks and a wide berth... hehe...
Opal Lion Posted January 3, 2021 Posted January 3, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Melon Dingo said: Both of these seem... fishy to say the least. Looks a lot like an elim desperately trying to find Cultivation. Sure, the plan has some warrant to try and fix Prudence. But in my honest opinion, I think PMs aren’t as good as everyone thinks they are. In the last game I played, there were many people only giving their reasons for voting as “PM reasons.” This reluctance to share information only hurts the village. To be honest, the only use of PM’s is just to roleclaim without letting the whole world know. Even then, it’s generally not a good idea unless you have a strong village read on the person. I know that recently people have been relying too much on PMs. I do believe that the Docs are nice, if we don't have our PM god (especially Shadesmar), but also I know that some people still would like PMs and also don't all want to flock to Shadesmar Your concern about "trying to fish for Culti" is why I altered my message. I find it much more likely that Culti will heal me if I announce who I am, and let her know she can do it anonymously than if I request she first get in contact with me. The only way that Culti can be found off of visiting me is if an Elantrian or Truthwatcher specifically targets Culti and sees them visit me, but even then they would have to know who Culti was in the first place I also disagree about the whole "able to roleclaim without letting everyone know" and I don't think PMs are that useless. PMs in vanilla games are even useful sometimes, and people don't have roles in those . They allow people who have found solid trusts to share thoughts freely, they allow you to fish out Elims under the pretense of trust, where it might have been hard to in thread. Of course the game is solvable without PMs- and sometimes they can make it worse. This too, however, can be said about roles as well. Would you rather take away all the roles in this game as well? no! that's part of what makes this specific game appealing to play! ED1T: Against Private talks do you say? I guess this checks out, with the only thing you said in the doc was asking me to roleclaim Edited January 3, 2021 by Opal Lion
Melon Dingo Posted January 3, 2021 Posted January 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, Opal Lion said: ED1T: Against Private talks do you say? I guess this checks out, with the only thing you said in the doc was asking me to roleclaim I am rather blunt, “I think,” as the great Sazed would say. (Does that count as a quote O’ mighty GMs?)
Pearl Chameleon Posted January 3, 2021 Posted January 3, 2021 Hello, everyone! Sorry for not participating in the last few turns, though that seems to have been for the best? Mauve Crocodile and I had a Spanreed PM, so I probably would have tried to defend them, if only to have someone to talk to I don't have much else to add, since I haven't had time to read through D/N1 entirely, but I do exist! --- "Scadrial's Cognitive is kind of scary." "Mmm. It does not scare me." "Well, I'd call it unsettling, maybe pretty in a weird way. But then you realize there's the chance you'll fall for eternity, and your stomach starts doing somersaults." Humming. "That is a lie, yes? You do not know how long one would fall for." More humming. "I also do not possess a stomach, and yours are not capable of somersaults. Another lie. No, metaphor?" "It's not a lie, it's an assumption. What are you, pedantspren?" A sigh. "At least you remember what metaphors are." "I do not believe such a spren exists. I would be glad to fulfill that role in their stead." "I... don't know if that was a joke. Anyway. Where are we going next? I'd bet good money it's Nalthis." "Hmmm. More lies. You cannot bet any money, as you are destitute. You lost all of the local currency in your possession two hours and thirty-seven minutes ago, local time." "Thanks for salting the wound, I appreciate it. Also, that is exactly why we're leaving. Now, where do you think we'll end up?" "I do not know. There is an equal chance for every planet." "Yeah, but humor me." "Mmmm. I do wish to visit home again." The sound of dice rolling. "That's.. Huh. I guess you're getting your wish, kind of?" "Ah. This is acceptable." A pause. "You would have lost all of your money again." "...Yeah. I know."
Opal Lion Posted January 3, 2021 Posted January 3, 2021 10 hours ago, Turquoise Gorilla said: Other obligations call, so I shall have to leave this here for now. For those of you who won’t read longer posts, my conclusions are in summary that @Opal Lion and @Sage Kangaroo can be cleared, and that I get village reads from @Sapphire Elephant and @Violet Axolotl. And besides those village reads, did this help you get any Elim reads? Turquoise Gorilla
Turquoise Gorilla Posted January 3, 2021 Posted January 3, 2021 That particular segment of the analysis @Opal Lion, no. That said, it has long been my belief, which I maintain, that it is just as important to find villagers, reducing the search space, as it is to work on finding eliminators. As I continue to work through the thread, I shall make clear those I find suspicious. You will note I am still on day one of my analysis. In my experience, finding eliminator tells on day one is materially harder than clearing villagers.
Taupe Gecko Posted January 3, 2021 Posted January 3, 2021 I have some things going on tonight in my lair that hopefully won't prevent me from getting on, but just in case, Turquoise Gorilla Oxblood beagle, for self-preservation and also because it is a little odd that they made the remarks they did.
Charcoal Hyena Posted January 3, 2021 Posted January 3, 2021 Out of the Bloodhound and the Lizard, I find Taupe Gecko more suspicious For their votes without reasoning, And their reads on silent persons, fictitious. While the Beagle's questions are quite odd, We only get the view through the one lens. It could be idle curiosity or something else That we simply cannot comprehend. Out of all our candidates, I think Gecko is the best to die, Since of the reasonings to date, Gecko's cannot be written off.
Plum Rhinoceros Posted January 3, 2021 Posted January 3, 2021 Journal of Solemnheart - Annotation, Day Five Post-Illumination, Shadesmar I, to, do not like Opal Lion's enthusiasm to learn Cultivation's identity. I have heard from Shadesmar that the new Prudence did not wish to claim in thread, which would be a contradiction to this behavior, and the reveal was after less than an hour waiting for Cultivation to appear as an intermediary. If you truly are the holder of Splintered Prudence, then you do not need to know who Cultivation is, now that they know who you are. They can act without your input, and I urge them to act as soon as possible. I am awaiting confirmation that Opal Lion is the Prudence who claimed to a Shadesmarian. If this is the case, I will remove my vote (and likely vote for Oxblood Beagle if their curiosity does not have an explanation). Even if they are a Champion, forcing them to deal with Prudence themselves is better than risking it erased. Can I receive another vote count?
Turquoise Gorilla Posted January 3, 2021 Posted January 3, 2021 For the benefit of all: Violet Axolotl (0): Azure Mouse <1> Chartreuse Penguin (0): Opal Lion <1> Taupe Gecko (4): Violet Axolotl, Onyx Flamingo, Saffron Iguana <2>, Charcoal Hyena Turquoise Gorilla (1): Taupe Gecko <1>, Opal Lion <2> Charcoal Hyena (0): Saffron Iguana <1> Coral Swan (1): Oxblood Beagle Sapphire Elephant (1): Quartz Zebra Cream Tuatara (0): Azure Mouse <2> Oxblood Beagle (3): Fuchsia Ostrich, Azure Mouse <3>, Taupe Gecko <2> Opal Lion (2): Melon Dingo, Plum Rhinoceros
Opal Lion Posted January 3, 2021 Posted January 3, 2021 Wow, I gotta admit: I really thought that I would be in danger from the Odiuminions, not the general public
Melon Dingo Posted January 3, 2021 Posted January 3, 2021 22 minutes ago, Turquoise Gorilla said: For the benefit of all: Violet Axolotl (0): Azure Mouse <1> Chartreuse Penguin (0): Opal Lion <1> Taupe Gecko (4): Violet Axolotl, Onyx Flamingo, Saffron Iguana <2>, Charcoal Hyena Turquoise Gorilla (1): Taupe Gecko <1>, Opal Lion <2> Charcoal Hyena (0): Saffron Iguana <1> Coral Swan (1): Oxblood Beagle Sapphire Elephant (1): Quartz Zebra Cream Tuatara (0): Azure Mouse <2> Oxblood Beagle (3): Fuchsia Ostrich, Azure Mouse <3>, Taupe Gecko <2> Opal Lion (2): Melon Dingo, Plum Rhinoceros This isn’t confusing to look at. Nope not at all!
Plum Rhinoceros Posted January 3, 2021 Posted January 3, 2021 Confirmation received to my satisfaction. Opal Lion. Oxblood Beagle. I still do not like Opal Lion and his search for Cultivation, but he has a point. If Prudence matters so much to the Champions, they will attempt to deal with him; if not, they will not. But removing Opal Lion now risks the loss of Prudence entirely. Opal Lion, are you in range of Odium? I would suggest Valor protect him either way, but whether more depends on your location.
Sage Kangaroo Posted January 3, 2021 Posted January 3, 2021 Hmm, I'd thought I'd posted earlier today, but it doesn't look like I did. Also, just noticed something in the rules: it seems surprisingly hard to kill Honor. If Honor stays out of Roshar, it seems difficult to kill them (can only die to the vote, kill roles, kill items, or Ruin's investee). Plus, they probably won't die to the vote, since they could easily claim if they were in any danger. Unless I'm missing something here, it generally seems like there's very little that the elims can do against Shards right now (Shards shouldn't claim though, since they can take Champion kills, plus the elims will probably have a one use kill IMO). Here, I'll try making a few reads, though I don't have much time Axolotl - mild village - I've had a gut village on them overall, I think they've done good analysis, and I think they could have easily pulled their vote if they were an elim Lion - very mild village - I agree with what was said Beagle - very mild elim - I do find their behavior in regards to Autonomy odd Gecko - very mild elim - Their behavior during the first turn was odd, since they didn't really say anything and then bandwagoned me
Violet Axolotl Posted January 3, 2021 Posted January 3, 2021 (edited) I- I dislike that. ALL of that. Not entirely sure why. I'm getting there. Edit: Upon reread not it all. Still trying to digest coming back to 14 posts :P. Pointing out that Gecko has a vote removed from them because of their planet they are residing on. For all purposes, currently Beagle is up for exe. While I think their motives were strange, I don't think we should exe them over that when they haven't had any chance to defend themselves. Honestly I 100% believe Lion (wait... that's not the problem here :P) and someone cleared them for some reason or another and I agreed. I dislike Dingo's leap, and mildly have a negative gut read on Rhino, though them asking for Valor to protect Lion helps with that. Edited January 3, 2021 by Violet Axolotl
Opal Lion Posted January 3, 2021 Posted January 3, 2021 9 minutes ago, Plum Rhinoceros said: I still do not like Opal Lion and his search for Cultivation You can not like it all you want, but it won't ever change the fact that I won't be whole again without Cultivation I had requested a relay to Shadesmar, but then figured that if Cultivation was on Shadesmar, even if, they might not want to go through my intermediary. I then did a 180 (...without telling my contact that I was going to...) and then asked in thread for cultivation claiming to me, and I could tell them it was me. Now, I figured Cultivation might not want to claim to someone because, while in reality it would be safer for everyone, it wouldn't seem safer to Culti, who, In my opinion, is the more powerful shard :P. so I decided very shortly thereafter to take that back and then just out myself, hoping that Culti would target me. This way does not require culti to claim to anyone (even if I still want them to tell me who they are :P) After all, I do believe that you were the one who said: 19 hours ago, Plum Rhinoceros said: is there any major risk associated with the Vessel of Splintered Prudence from simply claiming to the general public, letting Cultivation act without revealing their identity Anyways, that's enough talk about me -- There are a few things I don't quite like about Gorilla, but I am ignoring them for now. Of all the things, I think I like their analysis the least. I don't at all mean to say that their work was meaningless, but I feel nothing behind it. While I understand working through PoE and not directly Elim-hunting, their analysis feels much more like an excuse to village-read players, and less like a villager trying to work out what actually was going on during day 1. I'm kinda confused on the reasoning behind Gecko, to be honest. I understand that they voted on Mauve, and that sorta analysis is valid, but did I read things wrong, or did someone say that they are voting Gecko because Heron was killed, and that they heard to be suspect of Gecko if Heron was killed? I don't know, something there feels off to me, kinda. I wish Oxblood would get on and say their opinion of what's going on there. I don't know what was going on there, but the lack of defense doesn't make me feel much better about the whole situation. The one thing that they did post during this cycle wasn't incredibly...comforting? about their alignment, as it was a recap of the day, and a weak vote on Coral. I still think that I could see myself making a shady comment to a Neutral, regardless of alignment
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