Is Lift a Forbidden Target?

[FollowYourMuse she/her]

My thoughts are just that he does not hunt just anynyone and without a specific reason to justify it he couldn't hunt her. 
Since she had been hunted by Nale (and escaped multiple times) she would be a quarry a "Hunter" would want to hunt. 

[Karger he/him]

21 minutes ago, Aspiring Writer said:

even the guy from the prologue he wasted Atium on?

That is a fair point.  I think Kel could justify it as him taking action to save the women as well as increasing the size of the rebellion early.  I am as skeptical as you about this but it is plausible enough to let slide.

[Aspiring Writer]

1 minute ago, Karger said:

That is a fair point.  I think Kel could justify it as him taking action to save the women as well as increasing the size of the rebellion early.  I am as skeptical as you about this but it is plausible enough to let slide.

That's a thing actually, Kelsier might need a way to justify him killing someone both for others and himself. He did kill the nobleman because of what he did, but it is also because of his vendetta. It would not take much to decide that nobleman deserved death. He isn't some mass murderer who will kill the most convenient person, he needs a reason, and as far as he is concerned, every nobleman deserves death and they tend to give him plenty of reasons.

[Stormtide_Leviathan]

7 hours ago, Aspiring Writer said:

even the guy from the prologue he wasted Atium on?

Wait what? I’m not doubting you but I don’t remember this at all

[Aspiring Writer]

40 minutes ago, Stormtide_Leviathan said:

Wait what? I’m not doubting you but I don’t remember this at all

That nobleman who waned to rape a girl at the start of mistborn? He burned his manor down.

[Pathfinder]

Brandon also confirmed in the utilitarian sliding scale we have taravangian allllllllll the way extreme, then kelsier and the ghostbloods close behind and then jasnah further away. For funsies a little sliding scale go illustrate

 

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Edited December 19, 2020 by Pathfinder

[Stormtide_Leviathan]

50 minutes ago, Aspiring Writer said:

That nobleman who waned to rape a girl at the start of mistborn? He burned his manor down.

Oh! For some reason I thought you meant like, a ghostblood in the RoW prologue who was using atium somehow. Okay that makes more sense.

I still didn't remember that he used atium against the noble but that's way less shocking, okay

[Aspiring Writer]

56 minutes ago, Stormtide_Leviathan said:

Oh! For some reason I thought you meant like, a ghostblood in the RoW prologue who was using atium somehow. Okay that makes more sense.

I still didn't remember that he used atium against the noble but that's way less shocking, okay

I believe there is a line where he says he used up his last bit of atium to Dockson and they reference the prologue. I don't have Mistborn to confirm right now.

[jamesbondsmith He/him]

I'd say that Kelsier would have rules about killing kids. I don't recall the Ghostbloods ever hurting someone who wasn't an adult, even if they don't go out of their way to run orphanages or help kids in any way.

As for Kelsier's hypocrisy about killing for pleasure, he might be like post-memory renewal Dalinar. 'I did bad things, and I want to stop doing them.'

Secret History Spoilers (I don't see why I'd need it seeing we're using his name, but just in case)

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Considering Vin calls him out on doing it all for himself, and that he discovered his actions had aligned his soul with a literal force of destruction and entropy that was trying to destroy his planet, I can imagine it might have shaken him a little and made him reevaluate thing.

Bigger question for me is: Where did the other bird (presumably another Aviar) come from?

[Stormtide_Leviathan]

4 hours ago, jamesbondsmith said:

Bigger question for me is: Where did the other bird (presumably another Aviar) come from?

The red one? Brandon actually answered this on a recent livestream. It belongs to a feruchemist who was keeping an eye on Dalinar

[mathiau he/him]

On 19/12/2020 at 1:13 AM, Aspiring Writer said:

That nobleman who waned to rape a girl at the start of mistborn? He burned his manor down.

"That guy wanted to rape and and kill an adolescent girl" is not the worst justification for killing someone

Also yes, he probably had some character development after Secret history

1 hour ago, Stormtide_Leviathan said:

The red one? Brandon actually answered this on a recent livestream. It belongs to a feruchemist who was keeping an eye on Dalinar

Feruchemist or ferring?

 

Also as of the main topic, Kelsier is a chromium compounder, it's likely he has both a decent idea of who he should and shouldn't kill and know using Fortune is unreliable especially around people like Hoid or Renarin, so him saying "do touch Lift unless she go directly against us, she's part of Cultivation's plan to peace out Odium" makes sense

[Aspiring Writer]

Just now, mathiau said:

"That guy wanted to rape and and kill an adolescent girl" is not the worst justification for killing someone

It isn't, but it follows his pattern of needing an excuse to start killing them, and he does kill others for pettier reasons.

[Stormtide_Leviathan]

25 minutes ago, mathiau said:

Feruchemist or ferring?

He used the term feruchemist, but I’d assume he meant a ferring.

[mathiau he/him]

Just now, Stormtide_Leviathan said:

He used the term feruchemist, but I’d assume he meant a ferring.

We should ask for precision sometime, it's pretty likely some members of the 17th shard are full feruchemists. I mean how old is Kriss again?

[Kingsdaughter613 she/her]

11 hours ago, jamesbondsmith said:

I'd say that Kelsier would have rules about killing kids. I don't recall the Ghostbloods ever hurting someone who wasn't an adult, even if they don't go out of their way to run orphanages or help kids in any way.

As for Kelsier's hypocrisy about killing for pleasure, he might be like post-memory renewal Dalinar. 'I did bad things, and I want to stop doing them.'

Secret History Spoilers (I don't see why I'd need it seeing we're using his name, but just in case)

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Considering Vin calls him out on doing it all for himself, and that he discovered his actions had aligned his soul with a literal force of destruction and entropy that was trying to destroy his planet, I can imagine it might have shaken him a little and made him reevaluate thing.

Bigger question for me is: Where did the other bird (presumably another Aviar) come from?

I don’t think Kelsier would consider that he’d need one. He wouldn’t hurt kids, so why would his people? If it was pointed out to him he’d make such a rule. It just... doesn’t occur to him that he’d need one. And seriously, why would it?

[Pathfinder]

Just a little clarity. Mraize does not say he "needs" permission. He said he always "wanted " an excuse. That says something very different to me. To me one denotes being prevented, while another refers to a past time hes been meaning to get around to but has always been too busy. Here is the quote

 

Rhythm of War page 565

“Little Radiant,” the man said. “I’ll admit, I’ve always wanted an excuse to hunt you.”

[Aspiring Writer]

23 minutes ago, Pathfinder said:

Just a little clarity. Mraize does not say he "needs" permission. He said he always "wanted " an excuse. That says something very different to me. To me one denotes being prevented, while another refers to a past time hes been meaning to get around to but has always been too busy. Here is the quote

 

Rhythm of War page 565

“Little Radiant,” the man said. “I’ll admit, I’ve always wanted an excuse to hunt you.”

the fact he wants an excuse says a lot, because he has had plenty of time and opportunities to get her and doesn't until she attacks his bird.

[Kingsdaughter613 she/her]

3 hours ago, Aspiring Writer said:

the fact he wants an excuse says a lot, because he has had plenty of time and opportunities to get her and doesn't until she attacks his bird.

To me this reads not as his being forbidden, but that it isn’t necessarily condoned either.

Essentially: my boss never told me not to do this, but I know he’ll be annoyed if I do, so I’ll find an excuse before I act.

Edited December 25, 2020 by Kingsdaughter613

[Pathfinder]

On 12/24/2020 at 9:35 PM, Aspiring Writer said:

the fact he wants an excuse says a lot, because he has had plenty of time and opportunities to get her and doesn't until she attacks his bird.

You can certainly interpret it that way.  

For myself, i took it as

I am busy with my day to day dealings. I dont have time to watch a show i have been wanting to watch all this time. Snow storm hits, i cant go anywhere to do my normal day to day dealings. I hop onto the couch and say 

"Ive been wanting an excuse to watch this show for forever"

That doesn't mean i need anyone's permission. Its a pastime ive been wanting to do for awhile but since i have had other responsibilities, i couldnt warrant taking time away to do the pastime. Past time then smacks me in the face and gets in my way. Oooo now i have an excuse!

Edited December 29, 2020 by Pathfinder