Lightwing8888 Posted December 15, 2020 Posted December 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Hoid the Drifter said: wait, what? he's a worldhopper? Not exactly... we're fairly certain he's still stuck on Scarial (probably for the best), but there is mention that he uses an "avatar" to visit the Ghostbloods. We are fairly certain that the person Gavilar refers to as Thaidakar is, in fact, Kelsier. I believe Thaidakar is referred to as "The Lord of Scars" at one point (by Hoid?), and we know that he is from off-world. Also, there is a point where Hoid says that he may need to "go slap him around again" (or something like that, which clearly refers to Secret History). Also, there was a WoB from a few years back that said something along the lines of if Kelsier had to join a secret organization, it would be the Ghostbloods, and he'd be running it within a year. Also, their name... I think there was speculation along these lines for a while after OB, but RoW all but confirms it in my opinion, though I didn't realize what I was seeing until after my first read. Surprise!!!
Kingsdaughter613 she/her Posted December 15, 2020 Posted December 15, 2020 2 hours ago, Hoid the Drifter said: wait, what? he's a worldhopper? Not yet. That’s what the Ghostbloods are for.
Stormtide_Leviathan Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 6 hours ago, Oltux72 said: On 12/13/2020 at 11:21 PM, Aspiring Writer said: Before we go to psychological explanations, I need to point out that hurting Lift gets you into trouble with the rest of the Knights Radiant the Cultivationspren Cultivation the Azish - Lift 1
Raven Wilder Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 10 hours ago, Oltux72 said: Before we go to psychological explanations, I need to point out that hurting Lift gets you into trouble with the rest of the Knights Radiant the Cultivationspren Cultivation the Azish Not doing that without good reasons is just common sense. Yeah, I just assumed Mraize was operating on a general directive to not go around hunting random people (especially not well-known and well-connected people) unless it's necessary.
Serack he/him Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 (edited) On 12/13/2020 at 11:21 PM, Aspiring Writer said: And then it occured to me that Mriaze needed an excuse to hunt Lift, and the only person who could forbid Mraixe from doing something would be one of his superiors and possibly even keliser. So did Kelsier forbid Mraize or any Ghostblood from harming Lift, and it wasn't until Lift did something like attacking the bird that Mriaze could retaliate? Perhaps Mriaze needed an excuse not because of a specific ban on “hunting” Lift individually, but because she was a member of a class that the Ghostbloods have a moratorium on “hunting.” Something like: “No hunting little girls without a grievance.” Edited December 16, 2020 by Serack
Kingsdaughter613 she/her Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 12 minutes ago, Serack said: Perhaps Mriaze needed an excuse not because of a specific ban on “hunting” Lift individually, but because she was a member of a class that the Ghostbloods have a moratorium on “hunting.” Something like: “No hunting little girls without a grievance.” Or: we don’t hurt kids. Even magical kids. Unless they hurt us first, in which case they’re asking for it. But no permanent damage and DEFINITELY no killing.
Lightwing8888 Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 2 hours ago, Kingsdaughter613 said: Or: we don’t hurt kids. Even magical kids. Unless they hurt us first, in which case they’re asking for it. But no permanent damage and DEFINITELY no killing. With what we know of the Ghostbloods, I doubt they would have a ban on hurting children. I think the ban would have to do more with her Radiance than her youth. They are formidable enemies, and the Ghostbloods are trying to work in the shadows for the most part.
Kingsdaughter613 she/her Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 Just now, Lightwing8888 said: With what we know of the Ghostbloods, I doubt they would have a ban on hurting children. I think the ban would have to do more with her Radiance than her youth. They are formidable enemies, and the Ghostbloods are trying to work in the shadows for the most part. Kelsier would not approve of hurting kids. On the other hand, I doubt it would occur to him that such rules were necessary. 2
Lightwing8888 Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 8 minutes ago, Kingsdaughter613 said: Kelsier would not approve of hurting kids. On the other hand, I doubt it would occur to him that such rules were necessary. And I doubt he’d be able to assert that much control from a planet away. 1
coolsnow7 Posted December 17, 2020 Posted December 17, 2020 On 12/13/2020 at 11:21 PM, Aspiring Writer said: My first topic in the RoW spoiler Boards. How exciting for all of you. Topics of the week seem to be coming back. So, When Mraize finds Lift, he says he's been waiting for an excuse to hunt her. This magged me a bit, and the whole thing made me want to punch Mraize in his teeth, as kidnapping and then trading Lift is completely abhorrent on it's own, and then finding out that Keliser is the leader of the Ghostbloods and somehow condoned this was very out of character. And then it occured to me that Mriaze needed an excuse to hunt Lift, and the only person who could forbid Mraixe from doing something would be one of his superiors and possibly even keliser. So did Kelsier forbid Mraize or any Ghostblood from harming Lift, and it wasn't until Lift did something like attacking the bird that Mriaze could retaliate? This seems far-fetched. The simpler explanation is that Thaidakar doesn’t have a particular opinion about Lift, and that Mraize didn’t have an “excuse” to hunt her because he has to focus his actual efforts on his job. But hey, anything is possible and maybe something will come of this theory. 2
Kingsdaughter613 she/her Posted December 17, 2020 Posted December 17, 2020 7 minutes ago, coolsnow7 said: This seems far-fetched. The simpler explanation is that Thaidakar doesn’t have a particular opinion about Lift, and that Mraize didn’t have an “excuse” to hunt her because he has to focus his actual efforts on his job. But hey, anything is possible and maybe something will come of this theory. I think Mraize, or his boss, is aware that Thaidakar wouldn’t approve of attacking random kids. So Mraize was looking for an excuse that his boss would accept. “The Radiant attacked me” is a decent argument. 2
StormFather! Posted December 18, 2020 Posted December 18, 2020 Where was it confirmed that Kelsier was Thaidakar?
Karger he/him Posted December 18, 2020 Posted December 18, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, StormFather! said: Where was it confirmed that Kelsier was Thaidakar? They are referring to increasingly solid proof including Hoid's comments of "slapping him around" and "lord of scars" along with "affliction similar to the Heralds." Add this to a couple comments Brandon has made and the evidence looks fairly solid. On another note I would not put it past Kel to make GB members follow a strict code of conduct. If you want Mraize on your team then keeping him on a tight leash is advisable. I would not put it past Kel to refuse to allow the GBs to kill for personal pleasure. It is just a common sense directive that limits the type of people you require along with some of their destructive behavior that could damage GB goals. Edited December 18, 2020 by Karger
Aspiring Writer Posted December 18, 2020 Author Posted December 18, 2020 17 minutes ago, Karger said: They are referring to increasingly solid proof including Hoid's comments of "slapping him around" and "lord of scars" along with "affliction similar to the Heralds." Add this to a couple comments Brandon has made and the evidence looks fairly solid. On another note I would not put it past Kel to make GB members follow a strict code of conduct. If you want Mraize on your team then keeping him on a tight leash is advisable. I would not put it past Kel to refuse to allow the GBs to kill for personal pleasure. It is just a common sense directive that limits the type of people you require along with some of their destructive behavior that could damage GB goals. Yeah, I can imagine that, despite him killing for personal pleasure quite a few times. He has very different standards for himself, and he would reason his way out of it.
Hoid the Former Drifter he/him Posted December 18, 2020 Posted December 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Aspiring Writer said: Yeah, I can imagine that, despite him killing for personal pleasure quite a few times. He has very different standards for himself, and he would reason his way out of it. so as much as he hates hoid, he's just as much of a hypocrite; no killing for pleasure! unless you happen to be named kelsier and survived the pits...
Kingsdaughter613 she/her Posted December 18, 2020 Posted December 18, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Karger said: They are referring to increasingly solid proof including Hoid's comments of "slapping him around" and "lord of scars" along with "affliction similar to the Heralds." Add this to a couple comments Brandon has made and the evidence looks fairly solid. On another note I would not put it past Kel to make GB members follow a strict code of conduct. If you want Mraize on your team then keeping him on a tight leash is advisable. I would not put it past Kel to refuse to allow the GBs to kill for personal pleasure. It is just a common sense directive that limits the type of people you require along with some of their destructive behavior that could damage GB goals. Kelsier would be the one in trouble on the ‘personal pleasure’ rule, lol! Going by his past he’s unlikely to have too many guidelines. He prefers to allow his people to do their jobs their own way. And ‘common sense’ is NOT one of Kelsier’s strengths. In fact his neurology makes it difficult for him to think that way. I’m not sure he’s ever really entertained the concept... Should Kelsier put such rules forward? Of course! Will he? Probably not. I posted what Brandon’s said about Kell and trust on one of these threads (I’m not looking it up now). Kelsier’s ability to trust his friends and people is one of his greater strengths. It’s also his greater weaknesses and it’s cost him before. (I don’t mean Mare, btw; I mean Yeden.) The fact is, it would never occur to Kell that he needs those kinds of rules. Rules the Ghostbloods actually have: ‘Everyone must have a nickname.’ GBs, internally, unanimously, “Code names.” Kelsier’s idea of ‘rules’ tends toward the ridiculous. (You KNOW he ordered the SoScads to use different metalborn titles every time as a joke.) His only real ‘rule’ - and even that he didn't formalize (Spook probably did) - is that the Ghostbloods be loyal to one another. His crew is his family. He cares about them and he won’t see them turn on one another. That they may need shorter leashes is not something he’d ever consider. @StormFather! In addition to the above, Brandon confirmed tonight that Thaidakar is from another series. He also hinted prior to the actual question session that Thaidakar was who we thought he was and we were not to ask due to the Mistborn spoiler problem. Edited December 18, 2020 by Kingsdaughter613
Aspiring Writer Posted December 18, 2020 Author Posted December 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, Kingsdaughter613 said: Kelsier would be the one in trouble on the ‘personal pleasure’ rule, lol! Going by his past he’s unlikely to have too many guidelines. He prefers to allow his people to do their jobs their own way. And ‘common sense’ is NOT one of Kelsier’s strengths. In fact his neurology makes it difficult for him to think that way. I’m not sure he’s ever really entertained the concept... Should Kelsier put such rules forward? Of course! Will he? Probably not. I posted what Brandon’s said about Kell and trust on one of these threads (I’m not looking it up now). Kelsier’s ability to trust his friends and people is one of his greater strengths. It’s also his greater weaknesses and it’s cost him before. (I don’t mean Mare, btw; I mean Yeden.) The fact is, it would never occur to Kell that he needs those kinds of rules. Rules the Ghostbloods actually have: ‘Everyone must have a nickname.’ GBs, internally, unanimously, “Code names.” Kelsier’s idea of ‘rules’ tends toward the ridiculous. (You KNOW he ordered the SoScads to use different metalborn titles every time as a joke.) His only real ‘rule’ - and even that he didn't formalize (Spook probably did) - is that the Ghostbloods be loyal to one another. His crew is his family. He cares about them and he won’t see them turn on one another. That they may need shorter leashes is not something he’d ever consider. Yeah, probably, but he would discourage it if he doesn't want certain players to die. He wants Dalinar to win and probably would tell them 'please don't screw them over too bad unless you have to.' 1
Kingsdaughter613 she/her Posted December 18, 2020 Posted December 18, 2020 Just now, Aspiring Writer said: Yeah, probably, but he would discourage it if he doesn't want certain players to die. He wants Dalinar to win and probably would tell them 'please don't screw them over too bad unless you have to.' Yup. And they’d know he doesn’t approve of hurting kids. It’s more that Kell lets people know that he dislikes/disapproves of certain behaviors as opposed to outright forbidding them.
Aspiring Writer Posted December 18, 2020 Author Posted December 18, 2020 Just now, Kingsdaughter613 said: Yup. And they’d know he doesn’t approve of hurting kids. It’s more that Kell lets people know that he dislikes/disapproves of certain behaviors as opposed to outright forbidding them. Yeah, like I think he would tell Vin, don't kill shan erial and screw our cover, but I doubt he'd be too mad if she did. (Assuming things played differently and killing her was a costly choice.)
Kingsdaughter613 she/her Posted December 18, 2020 Posted December 18, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Aspiring Writer said: Yeah, like I think he would tell Vin, don't kill shan erial and screw our cover, but I doubt he'd be too mad if she did. (Assuming things played differently and killing her was a costly choice.) Exactly. He trusts his people - and that includes their judgement. I am now envisioning Godfather Kelsier, with Spook as Consigliere. Vito, btw, not Michael. Mraize would be Michael, with a lot of the same issues. Edited December 18, 2020 by Kingsdaughter613 1
Aspiring Writer Posted December 18, 2020 Author Posted December 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, Kingsdaughter613 said: Exactly. He trusts his people - and that includes their judgement. I am now envisioning Godfather Kelsier, with Spook as Consigliere. Vito, btw, not Michael. Mraize would be Michael, with a lot of the same issues. *Spits drink* I need to see this now. 1
Kingsdaughter613 she/her Posted December 18, 2020 Posted December 18, 2020 20 minutes ago, Aspiring Writer said: *Spits drink* I need to see this now. I want a Ghostblood novella styled after The Godfather. Like, a mafia story but in the Cosmere. It’d be awesome!
Stormtide_Leviathan Posted December 18, 2020 Posted December 18, 2020 6 hours ago, Karger said: On another note I would not put it past Kel to make GB members follow a strict code of conduct. If you want Mraize on your team then keeping him on a tight leash is advisable. I would not put it past Kel to refuse to allow the GBs to kill for personal pleasure. It is just a common sense directive that limits the type of people you require along with some of their destructive behavior that could damage GB goals. Brandon's said before that skybreakers can follow any code, as long as their spren is okay with it, with a Mafia code as an example. I wonder if we could see a ghostblood skybreaker
Karger he/him Posted December 18, 2020 Posted December 18, 2020 6 hours ago, Kingsdaughter613 said: Should Kelsier put such rules forward? Of course! Will he? Probably not. I posted what Brandon’s said about Kell and trust on one of these threads (I’m not looking it up now). Kelsier’s ability to trust his friends and people is one of his greater strengths. It’s also his greater weaknesses and it’s cost him before. (I don’t mean Mare, btw; I mean Yeden.) The fact is, it would never occur to Kell that he needs those kinds of rules. You are assuming that the GBs are his friends. I am not sure he sees them that way. 6 hours ago, Kingsdaughter613 said: Kelsier would be the one in trouble on the ‘personal pleasure’ rule, lol! I mean technically everyone he killed was part of the job. Same as Mraize being permitted to hunt Lift once she interfered with his mission.
Aspiring Writer Posted December 18, 2020 Author Posted December 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, Karger said: You are assuming that the GBs are his friends. I am not sure he sees them that way. I mean technically everyone he killed was part of the job. Same as Mraize being permitted to hunt Lift once she interfered with his mission. even the guy from the prologue he wasted Atium on?
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