Frustration Posted December 28, 2020 Posted December 28, 2020 @BenduLuke Scandrians bonding spren is insanly unlikly. It requires crossing enemy held territory to the enemies homeland where you will stand out quite obviously, and then convincing one of the enemies to not betray you but instead work with you against their friends and families. Not happening. Additionally, developing guns for Rosharans will be insanly easy, kill a Scandrian with it and reverse engineer it. Or make a Shardgun which is very simple.
BenduLuke he/him Posted December 28, 2020 Posted December 28, 2020 Just now, Frustration said: @BenduLuke Scandrians bonding spren is insanly unlikly. It requires crossing enemy held territory to the enemies homeland where you will stand out quite obviously, and then convincing one of the enemies to not betray you but instead work with you against their friends and families. Not happening. Additionally, developing guns for Rosharans will be insanly easy, kill a Scandrian with it and reverse engineer it. Or make a Shardgun which is very simple. No it only requires that the Scadrian exemplifies the qualities the Spren is looking for or in other words has the character that attracts the Spren. A coinshot-Steelrunner that bonds a life Spren would no longer need fear air resistance as they would be able to slick themselves. If they ran on Lifelight like Lyft that would be even more entertaining as they would be eating almost everything and getting powers from more than just regular food. Brocolli, Spinach, raw meat and other foods might provide a steel source beside the potential lifelight source. Developing Guns and ammunition would be more complicated than swearing oaths. for some orders of KR using surges to create projectiles would be simpler. Rosharans developing guns is more unlikely or slower than Scadrians bonding Spren.
Frustration Posted December 28, 2020 Posted December 28, 2020 9 minutes ago, BenduLuke said: No it only requires that the Scadrian exemplifies the qualities the Spren is looking for or in other words has the character that attracts the Spren. A coinshot-Steelrunner that bonds a life Spren would no longer need fear air resistance as they would be able to slick themselves. If they ran on Lifelight like Lyft that would be even more entertaining as they would be eating almost everything and getting powers from more than just regular food. Brocolli, Spinach, raw meat and other foods might provide a steel source beside the potential lifelight source. It's a Cultivationspren The Spren chooses, so they aren't likely to bond the people their fighting, do you seriously imply that the Fused didn't follow orders to the extend a Highspren requires? The difference is that the Singers are enemies, that's why no human Willshapers exsist. CUltivation made Lift, she wouldn't do that for anyone else. 12 minutes ago, BenduLuke said: Developing Guns and ammunition would be more complicated than swearing oaths. for some orders of KR using surges to create projectiles would be simpler. That is true, but you can arm the unmagical that way. 14 minutes ago, BenduLuke said: Rosharans developing guns is more unlikely or slower than Scadrians bonding Spren. That is false, Getting to Roshar alone is neigh impossible for them, as the only way to even exsit Scandrial for them is through a single perpendicularity. And then find Roshar, and then bond a spren. As opposed to killing a gun user and taking their wepon apart. Navani discovered Warlight and Anti-light in weeks, that would be easy.
BenduLuke he/him Posted December 28, 2020 Posted December 28, 2020 14 minutes ago, Frustration said: It's a Cultivationspren The Spren chooses, so they aren't likely to bond the people their fighting, do you seriously imply that the Fused didn't follow orders to the extend a Highspren requires? The difference is that the Singers are enemies, that's why no human Willshapers exsist. CUltivation made Lift, she wouldn't do that for anyone else. That is true, but you can arm the unmagical that way. That is false, Getting to Roshar alone is neigh impossible for them, as the only way to even exsit Scandrial for them is through a single perpendicularity. And then find Roshar, and then bond a spren. As opposed to killing a gun user and taking their wepon apart. Navani discovered Warlight and Anti-light in weeks, that would be easy. Sorry got my spren confused. Lifelight- thought life Spren my bad. Cultivation did it once she could do it again. I just thought it would be entertaining. I mean a steelrunner-coinshot-edgedancer that potentially runs on food and drink for all their powers. Talk about someone who eats like a glutton but always looks underfed and is lethally fast with barely any limits. Spren choose people aligned with them regardless where they are from and many Spren don't like Rosharans but might give Scadrians a chance instead so bonding not that unlikely so long as the bonded matches the ideals of the Spren. (That's actually in the Coppermind). Developing guns is not that straightforward. even the simplest guns require a fireing mechanism, primer, propellant, and appropriate projectile lead being common in our projectiles because of how soft it is so as not to damage the barrel while large enough to seal the barrel completely as it is deformed thus converting most of the compression to momentum and carrying enough mass to take advantage of that momentum. Steel bullets would quickly degrade barrels and would not be malleable enough to convert as much momentum. It took us centuries to develop rapid fire weapons like revolvers after the invention of gun powder as a propellant. Roshar doesn't have Gun powder yet. They would need to develop cartridges, rifled bores and mechanical systems for their guns before they even approached Scadrian firearms once they have some kind of gun powder equivalent. This whole topic assumes contact so that is a non issue. After initial contact yes Rosharans might be able to acquire firearms to examine but their chemistry is way behind Scadrial so they might have a lot of difficulty reverse engineering them. Their metallurgy is also not as advanced creating another issue.
NameIess Posted December 31, 2020 Author Posted December 31, 2020 On 12/28/2020 at 4:44 PM, BenduLuke said: Spren choose people aligned with them regardless where they are from and many Spren don't like Rosharans but might give Scadrians a chance instead so bonding not that unlikely so long as the bonded matches the ideals of the Spren. (That's actually in the Coppermind). I doubt that most spren would bond someone they considered a enemy. If Scadrial were to go to war with Roshar, there would be very few if any spren willing to bond Scadrians. On 12/28/2020 at 4:44 PM, BenduLuke said: Developing guns is not that straightforward. even the simplest guns require a fireing mechanism, primer, propellant, and appropriate projectile lead being common in our projectiles because of how soft it is so as not to damage the barrel while large enough to seal the barrel completely as it is deformed thus converting most of the compression to momentum and carrying enough mass to take advantage of that momentum. Steel bullets would quickly degrade barrels and would not be malleable enough to convert as much momentum. It took us centuries to develop rapid fire weapons like revolvers after the invention of gun powder as a propellant. Roshar doesn't have Gun powder yet. They would need to develop cartridges, rifled bores and mechanical systems for their guns before they even approached Scadrian firearms once they have some kind of gun powder equivalent. This whole topic assumes contact so that is a non issue. After initial contact yes Rosharans might be able to acquire firearms to examine but their chemistry is way behind Scadrial so they might have a lot of difficulty reverse engineering them. Their metallurgy is also not as advanced creating another issue. A Soulcaster could create all of the necessary components, if not just the entire gun itself, out of thin air. 1
A Simple Pilgrim he/him Posted January 1, 2021 Posted January 1, 2021 About the Rosharans reverse engineering guns it's very possible that it is near impossible for them to make gunpowder naturally. I've looked into it a little, and Roshar's lack of soil generally means that potassium nitrate, one of the 3 main components of gunpowder, might not form naturally outside of shinovar. And the only way it would me discovered in Shinovar would involve mining, which I'm pretty sure goes against their religion. Now the solution to that would be soulcasting. If the Rosharans get their hands on quality gunpowder, they should be able to soulcast it, or at least it's components after a little analysis. It would probably be very difficult for normal soulcasters to do, but radiants should be able to figure it out without issue. Problem then would be that Rosharan ammo production would rely entirely on the very few radiants capable of soulcasting complicated chemicals. It seems impractical for that to lead to any widescale adoption. Especially as logistics would be such a pain, since gunpowder is meant to remain dry, and Roshar is an incredibly wet planet, from high storms to rain to the weeping. One thing that also hasn't been mentioned enough is how much angle matters when it comes to the damage a bullet does. A person in shardplate has increased agility, especially a radiant, so it should generally be possible for them to deflect most bullets obliquely off their armor, instead of taking the brunt of the damage. If it take 2 or 3 steel pushed bullets to break shardplate, it could be very hard to get those 3 shots if the majority of them waste energy on being deflected. This reminds me of the whole shardbearers being walking tanks, and when you add in bullets it becomes almost literal. As to the whole radiant vs mistborn thing, I think it's a bit of an unfair comparison. A lot of radiant abilities are very suited for combat compared to Mistborn abilities, but would be less useful outside of it. For example in kaladin's infiltration mission in kholinar, I much rather have a mistborn than a radiant. Their ability to manipulate emotions, move things without touching them, detect all sources of metal, would be invaluable and invisible to most. 1
Bri-Y Posted January 2, 2021 Posted January 2, 2021 (edited) Guns don’t have to use gunpowder to fire. It has to be a smokeless explosion with little residue. I could easily see a substitute using fabrials and two gems filled with stormlight and anti-stormlight, where only a small amount of each is released into a small gem fragment at the base of a bullet at the pull of a trigger, causing an explosion. Eject the casing with the powdered gem remains, then reload with a new bullet. If you can pressurize the storm light mix somehow, you might not even need a gem fragment. Especially with two ‘Razium’ wires from the gems. Edited January 2, 2021 by Bri-Y Last paragraph 1
Lunu’anaki he/him Posted January 2, 2021 Posted January 2, 2021 Radiants cannot leave Roshar, because their spren are bound there. Any Scadrien wishing to form a bond would also need to be willing to stay on Roshar forever, how many do you think would give up their home to be a radiant and fight on the eternal war planet?
BenduLuke he/him Posted January 4, 2021 Posted January 4, 2021 On 12/31/2020 at 0:18 PM, Nameless said: I doubt that most spren would bond someone they considered a enemy. If Scadrial were to go to war with Roshar, there would be very few if any spren willing to bond Scadrians. A Soulcaster could create all of the necessary components, if not just the entire gun itself, out of thin air. Yes soul casting is an option for reproducing components, but to work their is little room for error in either material or precision. Gun powder would be another challenge with guns based on Scadrian design. Alternate propellants and projectiles would likely need to be considered. (See Below) On 1/1/2021 at 8:35 PM, Bri-Y said: Guns don’t have to use gunpowder to fire. It has to be a smokeless explosion with little residue. I could easily see a substitute using fabrials and two gems filled with stormlight and anti-stormlight, where only a small amount of each is released into a small gem fragment at the base of a bullet at the pull of a trigger, causing an explosion. Eject the casing with the powdered gem remains, then reload with a new bullet. If you can pressurize the storm light mix somehow, you might not even need a gem fragment. Especially with two ‘Razium’ wires from the gems. Windrunners and to a lesser extent Skybreakers would have no need of fabriels. Both could use gravity lashes to propel projectiles. Windrunners could use reverse lashes to propel guided projectiles. Dustbringers and Skybreakers might be able to create sudden compression using division in an enclosed chamber behind the projectile. Those 3 orders could have very simple guns with few moving parts, but the rest would require some form of primer, and propellant. They have vacuum Tech so compressed air might be an option; which for Dustbringers and Skybreakers might make their projectiles even more effective. (Heated compressed air would have even more stored force). Using Razium wires in a rail gun fashion would work but is not intuitive from Scadrian fire arms an thus less likely to be hit upon.
BenduLuke he/him Posted January 13, 2021 Posted January 13, 2021 @ScadrianTank Gave me an idea for a formidable combination of Radiant Misting. A duralumin nat bonded to an ash Spren could unleash devastating division blasts on their enemies. Depending on whether they had a supply of duralumin, and the amount of stormlight they had available, they could unleash blasts to rival nuclear explosions and or extreme caustic reactions over wide areas in front and around them while generating negative friction so the blast bypasses them entirely. Then suck up more stormlight so they can cross right over the blast area without direct contact and healing to mitigate any damage. A person with that combination of abilities might be able to defeat anyone else in combat. They might be able to defeat whole armies of opponents at once.
Valigus Posted January 16, 2021 Posted January 16, 2021 Slight problem is we really only see the very best mistborn fight and mostly the very best radiants. But living shardplate basically makes it so a mistborn cannot touch you. They could have atium for days and it won’t matter because any single strike the mistborn makes if the radiant so much as flinches which we know can be done in response to atium the attack misses and if it hits oh no they just heal, but almsot any attack that has a chance of hitting a radiant in plate while instantly be followed up by a counter attack you can’t dodge as a shard blade sweeps through you. a fourth ideal radiant is basically invincible against a mistborn unless they have insane amounts of atium, are sure lucky or it’s like vin vs some radiant with low combat experience. in any other situation basically zero chance, vin probably couldn’t beat even a third ideal radiant if we are being honest I know everyone loves vin and she is a badass but generally she has no attack that can kill a radiant before she dies, the lord radiant needs to get one hit in vin or other mistborn would need to drain them of stormlight then get a good hit in all without taking a single hit from the shardblade. That sounds very very hard no matter how skilled you are. and based on what 4th ideal does I suspect a 5th ideal radiant could beat a full born when tlr hits kelsier with a compounded blow it rips the skin off his face and snaps his neck, that’s not enough to even phase a radiant of the third ideal. I doubt a radiant could beat a completely prepared full born who knew the exact details of their powers and wasn’t cocky at all, but against let’s say the lord ruler they would probably stand a very good chance on account of his overconfidence.
Joesmine Posted January 16, 2021 Posted January 16, 2021 In a 1 on 1 fight between an well trained solider without any magical abilities and the latest scadrian firearms technology against a full radiant, The firearms wielder has a significant chance and might even default to a win unless fighting an order with the gravitation surge. If a two handed sling can crack shard plate then think of what a close to modern smokeless powder AP bullet could do. one can fire many times before the distance is closed and if any of those are lucky headshots the radiant is instantly down. If they dont get headshots then the sheer pain will slow the radiant down even if they are using stormlight to heal from the wound. If the scadrian aluminum alloy bullets are used then the radiant cant heal much if at all from those wounds. The only chance a radiant has is if their spren shield blocks the bullet and they can close the distance. I think that the gravitation surge might be helpful in closing the distance faster but certainly isn't enough to redirect high speed bullets. If there was a Mistborn who could also use healing powers and had the ability to pull on metals greatly increasing the rate of fire on their gun by pulling back the hammer then they would usually defeat a radiant. The voidbringers could have never been much of a threat to the radiants if they couldnt get through shard plate or around sheilds. They didn't have shardblades and were using far less advanced technology than Scadrial. I think that scadrial suffers numbers wise in a massive conflict but has the upperhand in quality of soliders by far. Its kind of like when matchlocks and flintlocks were introduced and knights were phased out. so to would the knights radiants be phased out because while they have magical abilities the level of technology they would be encountering would be far beyond flintlocks.
Frustration Posted January 16, 2021 Posted January 16, 2021 11 minutes ago, Joesmine said: In a 1 on 1 fight between an well trained solider without any magical abilities and the latest scadrian firearms technology against a full radiant, The firearms wielder has a significant chance and might even default to a win unless fighting an order with the gravitation surge. If a two handed sling can crack shard plate then think of what a close to modern smokeless powder AP bullet could do. one can fire many times before the distance is closed and if any of those are lucky headshots the radiant is instantly down. If they dont get headshots then the sheer pain will slow the radiant down even if they are using stormlight to heal from the wound. If the scadrian aluminum alloy bullets are used then the radiant cant heal much if at all from those wounds. The only chance a radiant has is if their spren shield blocks the bullet and they can close the distance. I think that the gravitation surge might be helpful in closing the distance faster but certainly isn't enough to redirect high speed bullets. If there was a Mistborn who could also use healing powers and had the ability to pull on metals greatly increasing the rate of fire on their gun by pulling back the hammer then they would usually defeat a radiant. The voidbringers could have never been much of a threat to the radiants if they couldnt get through shard plate or around sheilds. They didn't have shardblades and were using far less advanced technology than Scadrial. I think that scadrial suffers numbers wise in a massive conflict but has the upperhand in quality of soliders by far. Its kind of like when matchlocks and flintlocks were introduced and knights were phased out. so to would the knights radiants be phased out because while they have magical abilities the level of technology they would be encountering would be far beyond flintlocks. I've already gone over how the slings where launching head sized rock projectiles and did barely anything. You need 2-3 bullets minimum, in the same spot, before plate shatters and Radiants can fix that almost instantly.
Joesmine Posted January 16, 2021 Posted January 16, 2021 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Frustration said: I've already gone over how the slings where launching head sized rock projectiles and did barely anything. You need 2-3 bullets minimum, in the same spot, before plate shatters and Radiants can fix that almost instantly. amour is not just a raw kinetic energy absorber. we got bullets with similar amounts of kinetic energy in them yet its on a single point not over a larger area. they are higher speed and transfer far more energy than a rock that spreads over the surface area. the bullet doesn't crack the plate, it goes right through. The aluminum alloy bullet should stop the plate from being repaired until the fragments are removed and you could make an amour piercing one where the core was a denser material with the outside being aluminum that leaves fragments that stops repair. They probably already have these on scadrial. Edited January 16, 2021 by Joesmine 2
BenduLuke he/him Posted January 16, 2021 Posted January 16, 2021 5 hours ago, Valigus said: Slight problem is we really only see the very best mistborn fight and mostly the very best radiants. But living shardplate basically makes it so a mistborn cannot touch you. They could have atium for days and it won’t matter because any single strike the mistborn makes if the radiant so much as flinches which we know can be done in response to atium the attack misses and if it hits oh no they just heal, but almsot any attack that has a chance of hitting a radiant in plate while instantly be followed up by a counter attack you can’t dodge as a shard blade sweeps through you. a fourth ideal radiant is basically invincible against a mistborn unless they have insane amounts of atium, are sure lucky or it’s like vin vs some radiant with low combat experience. in any other situation basically zero chance, vin probably couldn’t beat even a third ideal radiant if we are being honest I know everyone loves vin and she is a badass but generally she has no attack that can kill a radiant before she dies, the lord radiant needs to get one hit in vin or other mistborn would need to drain them of stormlight then get a good hit in all without taking a single hit from the shardblade. That sounds very very hard no matter how skilled you are. and based on what 4th ideal does I suspect a 5th ideal radiant could beat a full born when tlr hits kelsier with a compounded blow it rips the skin off his face and snaps his neck, that’s not enough to even phase a radiant of the third ideal. I doubt a radiant could beat a completely prepared full born who knew the exact details of their powers and wasn’t cocky at all, but against let’s say the lord ruler they would probably stand a very good chance on account of his overconfidence. Why do you and everyone think a Scadrian needs Atium to have a chance against a Rosharan. First this isn't Mistborn vs Radiant it is Scadrian vs Rosharan. A Scadrian is more likely to bond a Spren than a Rosharan to snap to metal born. A duralumin nat dustbringer or skybreaker could wipe out whole armies of Radiants with nuclear and or caustic blasts. A Steel twin would be able to overwhelm virtually any Radiant with the shear number and strength of strikes while keeping their distance. Give them projectiles with aluminum welded to metal and the projectiles would negate any healing the radiant does or that occurs with the plate. I think there a many ways a Scadrian could get the upper hand on a Radiant especilly since they have a more versetile array of abilities. 1
Frustration Posted January 16, 2021 Posted January 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, BenduLuke said: Why do you and everyone think a Scadrian needs Atium to have a chance against a Rosharan. First this isn't Mistborn vs Radiant it is Scadrian vs Rosharan. A Scadrian is more likely to bond a Spren than a Rosharan to snap to metal born. A duralumin nat dustbringer or skybreaker could wipe out whole armies of Radiants with nuclear and or caustic blasts. A Steel twin would be able to overwhelm virtually any Radiant with the shear number and strength of strikes while keeping their distance. Give them projectiles with aluminum welded to metal and the projectiles would negate any healing the radiant does or that occurs with the plate. I think there a many ways a Scadrian could get the upper hand on a Radiant especilly since they have a more versetile array of abilities. No they aren't, it is almost impossible for either to leave their homeworld, but assuming they both figure out how it is far easier for Rosharans to do it than Scandrians. And spren are more likely to choose Rosharans. And medalians exist, and Rosharans powers are far better. That was even why Odium came to Roshar, they are just so much more powerful.
NameIess Posted January 16, 2021 Author Posted January 16, 2021 10 minutes ago, Joesmine said: In a 1 on 1 fight between an well trained solider without any magical abilities and the latest scadrian firearms technology against a full radiant, The firearms wielder has a significant chance and might even default to a win unless fighting an order with the gravitation surge. If a two handed sling can crack shard plate then think of what a close to modern smokeless powder AP bullet could do. Well, you have to consider that the rock has approximately 430 times the mass. And it only cracked the the plate. Radiant Plate would simply heal, losing a little bit of Stormlight. 26 minutes ago, Joesmine said: one can fire many times before the distance is closed and if any of those are lucky headshots the radiant is instantly down. If they dont get headshots then the sheer pain will slow the radiant down even if they are using stormlight to heal from the wound. If the scadrian aluminum alloy bullets are used then the radiant cant heal much if at all from those wounds. The only chance a radiant has is if their spren shield blocks the bullet and they can close the distance. A headshot won't kill a Radiant. Shallan didn't die, she just got the crossbow bolt stuck in her head, which wouldn't happen with a bullet. Add to this the fact that Shallan took the crossbow bolt, only noticing that her safehand was numb after becoming Veil, who's not as good at using stormlight. A bullet to the head would likely not do much, unless it was aluminum. And that's assuming that the Radiant is of third ideal and stupid enough not to simply doge/summon a body-length Shardshield. Fourth ideal can simply close their faceplate and charge straight into them. 40 minutes ago, Joesmine said: I think that the gravitation surge might be helpful in closing the distance faster but certainly isn't enough to redirect high speed bullets. Actually: Quote VindicationKnight Could a Full Lashing bend the path of bullets? Or do they have to much momentum? Brandon Sanderson It could. /r/books AMA 2015 (June 27, 2015) Also, considering that Kaladin literally ripped the Pursuers head off, a reverse lashing could easily change a bullet's path. 48 minutes ago, Joesmine said: If there was a Mistborn who could also use healing powers and had the ability to pull on metals greatly increasing the rate of fire on their gun by pulling back the hammer then they would usually defeat a radiant. Mistborn don't have healing powers, so you're talking a Mistborn with F-gold. That's a huge advantage to Mistborn. Increasing the rate of fire of your gun wouldn't let you get through an indestructible Shardshield, nor would it increase you accuracy. 50 minutes ago, Joesmine said: The voidbringers could have never been much of a threat to the radiants if they couldnt get through shard plate or around sheilds. They didn't have shardblades and were using far less advanced technology than Scadrial. Their magic tech was far beyond anything on Scadrial, aside from the medallions. They had centuries of experience fighting Radiants, as well as weapons that depowered Radiants. (And you're forgetting thunderclasts.) The fused probably dealt with Shardbearers through swarming them and repeatedly bashing them until they ran out of Stormlight. 53 minutes ago, Joesmine said: I think that scadrial suffers numbers wise in a massive conflict but has the upperhand in quality of soliders by far. Its kind of like when matchlocks and flintlocks were introduced and knights were phased out. so to would the knights radiants be phased out because while they have magical abilities the level of technology they would be encountering would be far beyond flintlocks. Radiant would definitely not be phased out. Even if guns hard counter them, you could simply give Radiants guns, and viola, they are far superior to regular soldiers. 10 minutes ago, Joesmine said: amour is not just a raw kinetic energy absorber. we got bullets with similar amounts of kinetic energy in them yet its on a single point not over a larger area. they are higher speed and transfer far more energy than a rock that spreads over the surface area. the bullet doesn't crack the plate, it goes right through. Well, Brandon has said this: Quote VindicationKnight To what extent could Shardplate resist a bullet? Brandon Sanderson Plate would resist a bullet well. /r/books AMA 2015 (July 15, 2015) and this: Quote Questioner How many shots would it take for Wax using his gun to break a section of Shardplate? Brandon Sanderson Depends on the gun... Okay, so Vindication. He could probably... depends on the bullet, cause he's got several styles. But let's just say two or three. There's an argument he could do it with one, with the right shot, the right bullet, in the right moment. Orem Signing (March 16, 2019) So Waxillium, a coinshot that can push hard enough to move a train, with heavy bullets meant to kill Thugs, would take two or three shots to break Plate. No bullet is "going right through" Shardplate.
BenduLuke he/him Posted January 16, 2021 Posted January 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Frustration said: No they aren't, it is almost impossible for either to leave their homeworld, but assuming they both figure out how it is far easier for Rosharans to do it than Scandrians. And spren are more likely to choose Rosharans. And medalians exist, and Rosharans powers are far better. That was even why Odium came to Roshar, they are just so much more powerful. that can't be true since Hoid among others have traveled to both. Brandon has already indicated that Scadrians will develop interstellar travel. No Spren are likely to choose people who meet their ideals regardless of planet origin. Hoid has a Cryptic and he is not Rosharan. Vin would probably bond an Honor Spren, and Wax a High Spren.
NameIess Posted January 16, 2021 Author Posted January 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, BenduLuke said: that can't be true since Hoid among others have traveled to both. Brandon has already indicated that Scadrians will develop interstellar travel. No Spren are likely to choose people who meet their ideals regardless of planet origin. Hoid has a Cryptic and he is not Rosharan. Vin would probably bond an Honor Spren, and Wax a High Spren. Hoid basically gave his spren no choice but to bond him. Spren would choose Scadrians, but if a state of hostility existed between Scadrial and Roshar, they would likely choose Rosharans over Scadrians, aside from a few outliers. 1
BenduLuke he/him Posted January 16, 2021 Posted January 16, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Nameless said: Hoid basically gave his spren no choice but to bond him. Spren would choose Scadrians, but if a state of hostility existed between Scadrial and Roshar, they would likely choose Rosharans over Scadrians, aside from a few outliers. Some Spren seem likely to join the fused, so I think them joining Scadrians would have more to do with aligning with their ideals than where they are from. It might also depend on what caused the state of hostility such as Spren joining Scadrians who opposed Radiants aligned with the Fused. Skybreakers come to mind. I largely agree with your above responces. A Steel Twin for example might be able to land enough powerful hits to overpower plate Edited January 16, 2021 by BenduLuke
Frustration Posted January 16, 2021 Posted January 16, 2021 9 minutes ago, BenduLuke said: that can't be true since Hoid among others have traveled to both. Brandon has already indicated that Scadrians will develop interstellar travel. Alright then, where is Harmony's perpendicularly?
NameIess Posted January 16, 2021 Author Posted January 16, 2021 1 minute ago, BenduLuke said: Some Spren seem likely to join the fused, so I think them joining Scadrians would have more to do with aligning with their ideals than where they are from. It might also depend on what caused the state of hostility such as Spren joining Scadrians who opposed Radiants aligned with the Fused. Skybreakers come to mind. That is after the Rosharan humans, in their estimation, committed genocide.
BenduLuke he/him Posted January 16, 2021 Posted January 16, 2021 Just now, Nameless said: That is after the Rosharan humans, in their estimation, committed genocide. yeah except that only those in denial still believe that. High Spren have another reason for aligning with the Fused. Also not all Spren of the same type agree which side to choose.
Joesmine Posted January 16, 2021 Posted January 16, 2021 those are very good counterarguments @Nameless
Frustration Posted January 16, 2021 Posted January 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, BenduLuke said: yeah except that only those in denial still believe that. High Spren have another reason for aligning with the Fused. Also not all Spren of the same type agree which side to choose. The Highspren follow the Skybreakers, not the other way around. Szeth's spren has no hesitation or even mentioned Odium.
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