Axindweth

[Mason Wheeler]

On 11/19/2020 at 9:25 AM, Kingsdaughter613 said:

Really? It seemed to me they were after capturing a Herald so Kell can interrogate him on being a Cognitive Shadow. Surprisingly straight forward.

Mraize wasn’t teaming up with the Fused; they controlled the tower and he needed Shadesmar access. If you don’t care whose in charge, you work with whoever is.

This.  It seems like the natural MO of worldhoppers: once you can see the big picture, the concerns of "local politics" seem a lot less significant.  Look at how Khriss talks about Roshar in her essay: "oh, BTW be careful visiting here because Odium is there."

[Kingsdaughter613 she/her]

2 hours ago, Oltux72 said:

This is true, but turns the Ghostbloods into foolish morons.

Kalak wants to get away. He would be overjoyed to cooperate. You send him a Seon and he would know that you are not talking crap. But no, you want an irreplacable asset to ram a dagger into his back. What is wrong with you? If you were Iyatil and Mraize suggested that to you, you'd ask him to explain and then most likely slit his throat. And then resign. You'd know that you have lost it.
That is wildly inconsistent with the level of competence the Ghostbloods have been displaying. We must rule that out.

The raw Investiture may still be there. The pattern that was Jezrien is gone.

Do you build a nuclear reactor just to heat your swimming pool? It would work. Every Regal can produce voidlight.

You have Connector ferings, if you are from Scadrial. Even compounders.

Right, that would be a monumental blunder. But not just from Mraize. This operation needed:

• a Seon
• Shallan
• a god metal
• a strange kind of fabrial
• a weapons test

And here the demands get outrageous. You cannot just send this thing and hope and pray (to whom?) that it work. Even if you have traded or captured this dagger from Odium's forces you cannot know whether you have been duped or acquired damaged goods or are lacking the proper operating procedures. You have to test. Just imagine you got Shallan into Lasting Integrity, she stabbed him and he just screamed: Ouch!. Stop this, you stupid girl. Guards! - or, worse by far - just died and went to Damnation
And it gets worse. Whom do you test on? Kelsier, a Returned or a Fused. No of these options is good. If Mraize can just sign off on them, the Ghostbloods need to change their operating procedures quickly.

Something is fishy here.

That goes higher up tthan just Mraize. There is some deep deception going on here. If I am paranoid enough, I would go and check the god metal in that dagger extremely thoroughly. Want to bet that it is Cultivationium? We are maybe two layers of secrets away from understanding.

 

 

That’s a very good point.

[+Harrycrapper]

5 hours ago, Oltux72 said:

This is true, but turns the Ghostbloods into foolish morons.

Kalak wants to get away. He would be overjoyed to cooperate. You send him a Seon and he would know that you are not talking crap. But no, you want an irreplacable asset to ram a dagger into his back. What is wrong with you? If you were Iyatil and Mraize suggested that to you, you'd ask him to explain and then most likely slit his throat. And then resign. You'd know that you have lost it.
That is wildly inconsistent with the level of competence the Ghostbloods have been displaying. We must rule that out.
 

 

Not necessarily. That's assuming that the Ghostbloods and The Son's of Honor haven't had interactions in the past. Gavilar suspected them of being the people that sent Szeth to kill him before Szeth told him it was the Parshendi. Mraize didn't think he'd cooperate or very much wanted to be dealing from a position of strength in any discussions on it. 

Also, on Kelek's part, being able to get off Roshar becomes a lot less attractive if every other relevant party on Roshar is also able to get off world. Whoever cracks that problem is going to keep it as secret as they can because it becomes a lot less valuable when more people know how to do it. If the Fused/Odium were to get it, there's no where Kelek could hide from them in the Cosmere. Given that we don't know the entire nature of the relationship between the Ghostbloods and Kelek, we should not and can not rule out the course of action they took as reasonable given the circumstances. It is more than possible that they tried diplomacy sometime in the past and it didn't work. Once that was ruled out as a course of action, knives in the night became their best option. 

[+Oltux72 he/him]

16 minutes ago, Harrycrapper said:

Also, on Kelek's part, being able to get off Roshar becomes a lot less attractive if every other relevant party on Roshar is also able to get off world. Whoever cracks that problem is going to keep it as secret as they can because it becomes a lot less valuable when more people know how to do it. If the Fused/Odium were to get it, there's no where Kelek could hide from them in the Cosmere. Given that we don't know the entire nature of the relationship between the Ghostbloods and Kelek, we should not and can not rule out the course of action they took as reasonable given the circumstances. It is more than possible that they tried diplomacy sometime in the past and it didn't work. Once that was ruled out as a course of action, knives in the night became their best option. 

The problem with that is that the premise is wrong. The Returned and Odium's condition of getting Dalinar's soul show that the solution to the problem is known to many.

[Toaster Retribution he/him]

If the Ghostbloods are being led to Kelsier, and if all Kelsier needs from Kalak is information (these are two big ifs, in my opinion) we also have to accept that there are multiple possible reasons as to why the Ghostbloods decided that the best way to get Kalak was to have Shallan stab him. He might have turned down cooperation with them for some reason (he might have realized that they would keep him captured, had issues with their morality, believed them to be agents of Odium, has a personal vendetta with them, etc). 

[Friendshipspren he/him]

On 11/19/2020 at 5:07 PM, Oltux72 said:

Sometimes the easiest explanation is best. That is her true name.

She is staying under the radar. Any name she gave would be foreign to a Listener. And among the Alethi she would be well advised to pose as an immigrant. She looks odd. So why take the risk of messing up your names or not reacting with natural speed to an assumed name? General fieldcraft is avoiding unnecessary lies.

She only tells her true name to Venli. She says the others, I take she means the Alethi,  call her by another name 

 

[Xerun]

So haven’t read everything in the thread but my theory for Axindweth was a Faceless Immortal from Wax & Wayne. Seemed like Autonomy had sent someone with a Voidspren to release her pal Odium from his binding. 

[orangesrhyme he/him]

Part of me wants to think Axindweth is Telsin Ladrian. High ranking member of the Set, good odds they're working with Worldhoppers. I'm not certain her timeline matches up, but didn't Wax fall out of contact with her for quite some time?

[ThurgreatMarshall]

1 hour ago, orangesrhyme said:

Part of me wants to think Axindweth is Telsin Ladrian. High ranking member of the Set, good odds they're working with Worldhoppers. I'm not certain her timeline matches up, but didn't Wax fall out of contact with her for quite some time?

Telsin isn't born until some time after Stormlight 5, and as far we know the Cosmere does not have time travel.

[Kingsdaughter613 she/her]

22 minutes ago, Beltway2A said:

Telsin isn't born until some time after Stormlight 5, and as far we know the Cosmere does not have time travel.

She is born before SA. However, her timeline does not add up.

[Honorless he/him]

Axindweth could be from before Rashek's Ascension. During the time period of the Final Empire, the Steel Ministry tried to hunt down Feruchemists and the Perpendicularities were in relatively difficult to access places: the Pits of Hathsin and the Well of Ascension is within Kredik Shaw itself. While she could be from this time period, and people did get in and out through the Pits relatively regularly enough to create what Hoid called an interplanetary trade route, she would've found it much easier to discover Worldhopping before the Final Empire, when the Perpendicularities were located within the Terris mountains themselves. In fact, there might be many Terris (& Feruchemist) Worldhoppers roaming around from this time.

Edited March 10, 2021 by Honorless
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[ScadrianTank he/him]

I like to think that Full Feruchemists and Mistborn are running around the cosmere, working on Harmony's and Kelsier's behalf. It makes me think better about the lack of powers in Era 2. So until the books say otherwise, Axindweth and the Terriswoman from Warbreaker are full Feruchemists.

As to why the Ghostbloods aren't cooperating with Kelek, we see the Ghostbloods haven't been friendly with the Sons of Honor for a long time. It seems likely that they had contacted one another at some point, but their partnership didn't work out, as evidenced by their spying and killing each other. Hopefully, we'll know more about Gavilar's relationship with the Ghostbloods in book 5.

[+Bzhydack he/him]

She can also be part of Set. And  this mean she can simply have some Spikes, and dont need to be Metalborn. If this is true, she serve Trell, and Trell probably is Autonomy. So she serves Autonomy and Bavadin is potential ally for Odium. So this can explain why she is here.

And yes, Kelek wants to out. But he is Ghostbloods enemy, we can assume from his words he knows Ghostbloods and Thaidakar some time. And they dont cooperate.