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[Honors Spectral Image She/her]

2 minutes ago, Verdance said:

Congrats (!/?)

what’s that? Does it somehow make your body produce more estrogen? 

It’s just estrogen it like the fancy shmansy name

[Verdance he/him]

Just now, Honors Spectral Image said:

It’s just estrogen it like the fancy shmansy name

Huh

how is estrogen not fancy enough

sounds musical though

es-TRO-di-OL

[Aeoryi she/her]

48 minutes ago, Verdance said:

what’s that? Does it somehow make your body produce more estrogen? 

Spirolactone: Basically it makes you pee more and acts as a "Testosterone blocker". You'd otherwise need really high levels of estrodiol to counter the effects of testosterone. 

Estrodiol: Bioequivalent form of estrogen found in the human body 

Edited Wednesday at 02:44 PM by Aeoryi

[Verdance he/him]

Just now, Aeoryi said:

Basically it makes you pee more and acts as a "Testosterone blocker". You'd otherwise need really high levels of estrodiol to counter the effects of testosterone. 

Interesting

whats the male version called? Testostriol?

and since the human body produces both estrogen and testosterone naturally, albeit in different amounts, I assume that it produces one of these when it decides to start pubescence in order to counteract whichever hormone it is not focusing on

48 minutes ago, Honors Spectral Image said:

It’s just estrogen it like the fancy shmansy name

Misinformation go brrrr :3

5 minutes ago, Aeoryi said:

Spirolactone: Basically it makes you pee more and acts as a "Testosterone blocker". You'd otherwise need really high levels of estrodiol to counter the effects of testosterone. 

Estrodiol: Bioequivalent form of estrogen found in the human body 

You edited it as i was responding

[Aeoryi she/her]

Just now, Verdance said:

Interesting

See my edit: I was referring to spirolactone for that

Just now, Verdance said:

whats the male version called? Testostriol?

Honestly have zero idea. I did research into feminizing HRT almost exclusively, so I didn't really encounter any information about masculinizing HRT at all

Just now, Verdance said:

and since the human body produces both estrogen and testosterone naturally, albeit in different amounts, I assume that it produces one of these when it decides to start pubescence in order to counteract whichever hormone it is not focusing on

Well uh

The cycle and stuff is really really complicated but basically you have reproductive organs and they, they uh, they make testosterone. Lots of it. 

What makes estrogens in the male endocrine system, I have no idea. But there's definitely a LOT more testosterone than estrogen and I would suspect the effects of testosterone would just override that of estrogen. But that's a theory.

Just now, Verdance said:

Misinformation go brrrr :3

 

[Hmmm lies she/her]

10 minutes ago, Verdance said:

and since the human body produces both estrogen and testosterone naturally, albeit in different amounts, I assume that it produces one of these when it decides to start pubescence in order to counteract whichever hormone it is not focusing on

Basically, an AMAB body, (at least by default) produces minor amounts of estrogen and large amounts of testosterone, and can sense how many hormones it has in its body. If it detects a hormone deficiency, it will make more testosterone to counteract this. So taking estrogen will make the body make less testosterone to an extent, because it sees that your body already has hormones, and so won't make as much. One's body makes hormones their whole life, though it increases a lot during puberty.

Spiro is still taken, because testosterone is a more powerful hormone than estrogen, and does tend to override its effects if not suppressed. However, if estrogen levels are high enough, or surgery has been done to remove testes, the body won't be producing testosterone, and spiro is unnecessary.

(In the case of the latter, it's important that the person who went through surgery constantly take hormones of some form, as after this the body won't produce them naturally.)

[Aeoryi she/her]

5 minutes ago, Hmmm lies said:

Basically, an AMAB body, (at least by default) produces minor amounts of estrogen and large amounts of testosterone, and can sense how many hormones it has in its body. If it detects a hormone deficiency, it will make more testosterone to counteract this. So taking estrogen will make the body make less testosterone to an extent, because it sees that your body already has hormones, and so won't make as much. One's body makes hormones their whole life, though it increases a lot during puberty.

Spiro is still taken, because testosterone is a more powerful hormone than estrogen, and does tend to override its effects if not suppressed. However, if estrogen levels are high enough, or surgery has been done to remove testes, the body won't be producing testosterone, and spiro is unnecessary.

(In the case of the latter, it's important that the person who went through surgery constantly take hormones of some form, as after this the body won't produce them naturally

To be more specific, I suppose, estrogen and testosterone both exemplify a negative feedback loop with gonadotropic releasing hormone (GNRH). GNRH creates two other hormones, Leutinizing hormone (LH) and follicle stimulating hormone (FSH) - FSH stimulates the testes to make testosterone, and LH does some. But when the body makes too much testosterone (or estrogens, but that's more complicated because the menstrual cycle hormones do not have a constant level they persist at) basically we see a decline in GNRH, which means the body doesn't produce more testosterone for a bit until the current level has diminished a bit. 

But since both high levels of T and E can cause an inhibitory effect on GNRH, you can, if you are getting estrogens from another outside source (like taking HRT!), cause the inhibitory effect on GNRH with just raw estrogen alone, this completely turning off the body's production of T. note that it typically requires a LOT higher levels to do E mono therapy, and typically people opt to use estrodiol valerate (injections) for delivering consistent, high amounts of E directly to the body.

[Verdance he/him]

1 minute ago, Aeoryi said:

To be more specific, I suppose, estrogen and testosterone both exemplify a negative feedback loop with gonadotropic releasing hormone (GNRH). GNRH creates two other hormones, Leutinizing hormone (LH) and follicle stimulating hormone (FSH) - FSH stimulates the testes to make testosterone, and LH does some. But when the body makes too much testosterone (or estrogens, but that's more complicated because the menstrual cycle hormones do not have a constant level they persist at) basically we see a decline in GNRH, which means the body doesn't produce more testosterone for a bit until the current level has diminished a bit. 

But since both high levels of T and E can cause an inhibitory effect on GNRH, you can, if you are getting estrogens from another outside source (like taking HRT!), cause the inhibitory effect on GNRH with just raw estrogen alone, this completely turning off the body's production of T. note that it typically requires a LOT higher levels to do E mono therapy, and typically people opt to use estrodiol valerate (injections) for delivering consistent, high amounts of E directly to the body.

Wow

i understood at least half of that, but very informative 

thank you and also @Hmmm lies

If I’m understanding correctly, there is also a side implication that the menstrual cycle occurs in a AMAB body taking estrogen? 

[Hmmm lies she/her]

2 minutes ago, Verdance said:

Wow

i understood at least half of that, but very informative 

thank you and also @Hmmm lies

If I’m understanding correctly, there is also a side implication that the menstrual cycle occurs in a AMAB body taking estrogen? 

Yep, that can happen, although as I understand not for everyone maybe? And of course it is different due to differences in the body.

[Verdance he/him]

Just now, Hmmm lies said:

Yep, that can happen, although as I understand not for everyone maybe? And of course it is different due to differences in the body.

How on earth does that work

like biologically the effects are different right 

[Aeoryi she/her]

1 minute ago, Verdance said:

I’m understanding correctly, there is also a side implication that the menstrual cycle occurs in a AMAB body taking estrogen? 

Just now, Verdance said:

How on earth does that work

like biologically the effects are different right 

uh, well. Okay sometimes trans women on hrt have experienced something akin to a menstrual cycle (like abdominal cramping, and all that kind of stuff) but it is definitely not guaranteed to occur and is kinda on the more rare side. 

basically the entire menstrual cycle hormone stuff is controlled by the ovaries, where one essentially makes a follicle that produces estrogen in the first half of the cycle and then after ovulation, the bursted follicle becomes the corpus leutum and produces progesterone, which sustains the corpus leutum long enough to allow fertilization to occur. 

But in an AMAB body you (likely) don't have the ovaries to mediate the menstrual cycle hormones. So you technically won't ever get a "proper" menstrual cycle, especially since you're not replicating the hormonal cycles of the menstrual cycle (you want a constant ish level of E, and progesterones are not always prescribed)

1 minute ago, Verdance said:

How on earth does that work

like biologically the effects are different right 

If I HAD TO GUESS why some people on E-based HRT feel effects similar to a menstrual cycle maybe it's related to high(er) amounts of estrogen? ovulation is typically associated with rising levels of estrogen, so that's something. But honestly I have little clue as to why it occurs, only that it does occur sometimes

[Verdance he/him]

2 minutes ago, Aeoryi said:

basically the entire menstrual cycle hormone stuff is controlled by the ovaries, where one essentially makes a follicle that produces estrogen in the first half of the cycle and then after ovulation, the bursted follicle becomes the corpus leutum and produces progesterone, which sustains the corpus leutum long enough to allow fertilization to occur. 

I heard you use the word follice before, my only context of that word is dermal hairs. 

in general this is a sort of weird but fascinating topic

science is so cool

[Factor She/Her]

11 hours ago, Aeoryi said:

I mean tbh I should probably be more careful with what I say because I am worried I pressure individuals into pursuing a genderqueer path without necessarily putting their best interests in mind

I think what you say doesn't really feel pressuring. Though Verdance probably feels pressured, but that's not just you.

11 hours ago, Aeoryi said:

anything specific you wanna get? anything you've always wanted to wear? or maybe think is cute? 

a big challenge you'll have to overcome is not feeling shame when asking people for help with these kinds of things. Takes a bit of time to get over this hurdle but also just remember that if people judge you it reflects on them not you

hmmm I think

yeahhhh...

11 hours ago, Aeoryi said:

hah I am sleepless

*smiles*

11 hours ago, Aeoryi said:

Tbh they don't sound terribly unsupportive. Depending on your age and/or reliance to them, they could be receptive, but you might need to prove that it's something you really do care about/want them to take seriously. 

yahh...

11 hours ago, Aeoryi said:

hmmm understandable. Parents don't have to be the first people you come out to in real life either, something to keep in mind.

yeah I feel like I would want to come out to other people first

but it's summer *facepalms*

11 hours ago, Aeoryi said:

stopped painting my nails a long time ago cause it didn't feel like authentically me. While hyper feminine stuff appeals to me sometimes the chance I'd actually wear something like that is super low tbh. But maybe.

nails and stuff isn't that hard to get started on assuming you have the means of obtaining them and the money. But it is neat to try. I found it strangely soothing.

*nods in understanding*

11 hours ago, Aeoryi said:

stopped painting my nails a long time ago cause it didn't feel like authentically me. While hyper feminine stuff appeals to me sometimes the chance I'd actually wear something like that is super low tbh. But maybe.

nails and stuff isn't that hard to get started on assuming you have the means of obtaining them and the money. But it is neat to try. I found it strangely soothing.

hmmm thank you

11 hours ago, Aeoryi said:

You should start thinking of a name :3

that always helps

I'm vaguely thinking in the back of my mind...

I'll start working on it more

11 hours ago, Aeoryi said:

oh yeah I'm also writing this while taking estrodiol for the first time :3

Congrats! (I think) (That's positive, right?)

 

Sorry it took me so long...

Edited Wednesday at 04:57 PM by Factor

[6 7 ✾ She♡Her ✾]

i think i might be bi

[Ink and Embers Any pronouns]

6 hours ago, Usseewa said:

i think i might be bi

Awesome! You now have official person to dual-wield swords. Good for you!!!

[6 7 ✾ She♡Her ✾]

57 minutes ago, Ink and Embers said:

Awesome! You now have official person to dual-wield swords. Good for you!!!

thanks lol

 

im just not sure because im like 99% sure i like girls but... there have been a few guys I might've liked, too? I mean I guess I'm not like attracted to every single girl I see- or at least I only.. like fewer, idk? So maybe it makes sense if it's like that with guys too? Idk. But also maybe it doesn't matter that much? Or does it? Should I just "listen to my heart"? I think I should..

also uh hopefully not a bad question but how does it work with non-binary people? There's someone who's enby who I might be attracted to and know kinda well hehe. It wouldn't work out but yeah (for multiple reasons). I could also just like them as a friend, cuz they're cool, too.

But like do I need to be pan to like enbies also? I feel kinda awkward asking cuz i hope its not offensive

anyway yah.

 

i actually thought i only attracted to guys like a year ago cuz i *think* was attracted to this guy and for some reason i didn't consider bi.

 

uhhhhhhh

i can never tell

attraction vs friendship vs gender envy

[Hmmm lies she/her]

1 minute ago, Usseewa said:

also uh hopefully not a bad question but how does it work with non-binary people? There's someone who's enby who I might be attracted to and know kinda well hehe. It wouldn't work out but yeah (for multiple reasons). I could also just like them as a friend, cuz they're cool, too.

But like do I need to be pan to like enbies also? I feel kinda awkward asking cuz i hope its not offensive

Well, I'm lesbian, and am attracted to some enbies, ones that are more feminine leaning.

Anyway nah a bisexual can like enbies. The difference between bi and pan is basically: Do you like boys and girls and enbies, or do you like people regardless of gender?

 

[SpartanBrigade He/Him]

2 minutes ago, Hmmm lies said:

Well, I'm lesbian, and am attracted to some enbies, ones that are more feminine leaning.

Anyway nah a bisexual can like enbies. The difference between bi and pan is basically: Do you like boys and girls and enbies, or do you like people regardless of gender?

 

Spoiler

Or do you think the flag looks cool

 

7 hours ago, Usseewa said:

i think i might be bi

One of us

One of us

One of us

[Honors Spectral Image She/her]

Somedays im like maybe I’m lesbian but I’m pretty sure it’s just cus guys my age are morons

(For the most part)

(Not all of them are)

(Like Spartans Not)

[6 7 ✾ She♡Her ✾]

24 minutes ago, Honors Spectral Image said:

Somedays im like maybe I’m lesbian but I’m pretty sure it’s just cus guys my age are morons

(For the most part)

(Not all of them are)

(Like Spartans Not)

I get that fr...

Like more than i used to

[SpartanBrigade He/Him]

38 minutes ago, Honors Spectral Image said:

Somedays im like maybe I’m lesbian but I’m pretty sure it’s just cus guys my age are morons

(For the most part)

(Not all of them are)

(Like Spartans Not)

Thanks gang

To be fair I’m not your age 

[6 7 ✾ She♡Her ✾]

7 minutes ago, SpartanBrigade said:

Thanks gang

To be fair I’m not your age 

you culd be myne

 

oh nvm i missed the point of why u said that *palmface*

Edited Thursday at 06:49 PM by Usseewa

[SpartanBrigade He/Him]

3 minutes ago, Usseewa said:

you culd be myne

 

oh nvm i missed the point of why u said that *palmface*

Question mark

Don’t worry, I’m most certainly a moron
Just not a bigoted one 

[6 7 ✾ She♡Her ✾]

1 minute ago, SpartanBrigade said:

Question mark

Don’t worry, I’m most certainly a moron
Just not a bigoted one 

Interrobang

Don't worry, I am most certainly a moron.

But not a bigoted one

[SpartanBrigade He/Him]

See she gets it