Darkfinder she/her Posted July 13, 2020 Posted July 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Frustration said: A standard coin will not crack plate. A Radiant does not constantly need stormlight when they don't constantly surgebind. And steel does not last that long. Yes but a radiant holding stormlight is going to leak stormlight consistently.
Bigmikey357 he/him Posted July 13, 2020 Posted July 13, 2020 6 hours ago, Darkfinder said: Yes but a radiant holding stormlight is going to leak stormlight consistently. The higher the Oath, the more efficient the Stormlight usage.
+Bzhydack he/him Posted July 13, 2020 Posted July 13, 2020 7 hours ago, Frustration said: A standard coin will not crack plate. Depends on coins speed.
Frustration Posted July 13, 2020 Author Posted July 13, 2020 Just now, Bzhydack said: Depends on coins speed. A standard coin will not crack plate.
Enter a username Posted July 13, 2020 Posted July 13, 2020 25 minutes ago, Frustration said: A standard coin will not crack plate. But a duralumin coin might.
Frustration Posted July 13, 2020 Author Posted July 13, 2020 Just now, Enter a username said: But a duralumin coin might. That's why I said standard. Flared Steel from a great enough distance might be able to but I really doubt it, maybe from a savant. But just steel under normal conditions not happening.
Enter a username Posted July 13, 2020 Posted July 13, 2020 Wasing of the many of metal vials, duralumin wasing the many of burn, Plate wasing the running out of the stormlight.
+Oltux72 he/him Posted July 13, 2020 Posted July 13, 2020 57 minutes ago, Bigmikey357 said: The higher the Oath, the more efficient the Stormlight usage. Yes, but the property in question is storage. A Radiant's fuel will spoil respectively leak in a few weeks (we know that from the lack of lightning during weepings). Keeping the Stormlight within himself will only shorten the time regardless of how well he could use it, as he just isn't using it.
Frustration Posted July 13, 2020 Author Posted July 13, 2020 7 minutes ago, Oltux72 said: Yes, but the property in question is storage. A Radiant's fuel will spoil respectively leak in a few weeks (we know that from the lack of lightning during weepings). Keeping the Stormlight within himself will only shorten the time regardless of how well he could use it, as he just isn't using it. This isn't a big game of keep away it is a one time conflict
Gisaku75 Posted July 13, 2020 Posted July 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Frustration said: A standard coin will not crack plate. because you say so? You should reread the books, the coinshot doesn't work like an arrow thrown from a bow. An arrow progressively loses speed, while the speed of a coin is constant until it is pushed. Furthermore, in the coinshot it does not matter the weight of the coin but that of the Allomancer, for this reason it is thrown back if it hits something very heavy. The coinshot is like a spear or hammer blow brought from far away, and the higher the speed, the greater the force of the blow. Just inflict one small crack at a time. Many small cracks added together can break an armor. The wooden shields of the Hazekillers are made especially to withstand a discharge of coins and are brought to a highly selected military elite. do not compare them to the normal shields, which still stopped both the arrows and, spears. Vim burns pewter or steel for hours as it has to move long distances. If you fill your stomach well you can burn for hours. Instead, when Kaladin tries to save Dalinar's army he must constantly absorb stormlight from the infused stones of the Parsmen just to maintain his physical abilities. And he will have fought for half an hour at the most.
StanLemon Posted July 13, 2020 Posted July 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Bigmikey357 said: The higher the Oath, the more efficient the Stormlight usage. But at no point would they stop leaking it even with all 5 oaths. That's one of the advantages Fuzed have over Radiants. It's explicitly mentioned that the more Stormlight held the faster it leaks, of all magic users Radiants have the most inefficient storage of Investiture. 1 hour ago, Frustration said: This isn't a big game of keep away it is a one time conflict Keep away would be a valid tactic for a Mistborn
Frustration Posted July 13, 2020 Author Posted July 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Gisaku75 said: because you say so? You should reread the books, the coinshot doesn't work like an arrow thrown from a bow. An arrow progressively loses speed, while the speed of a coin is constant until it is pushed. Furthermore, in the coinshot it does not matter the weight of the coin but that of the Allomancer, for this reason it is thrown back if it hits something very heavy. The coinshot is like a spear or hammer blow brought from far away, and the higher the speed, the greater the force of the blow. Just inflict one small crack at a time. Many small cracks added together can break an armor. The wooden shields of the Hazekillers are made especially to withstand a discharge of coins and are brought to a highly selected military elite. do not compare them to the normal shields, which still stopped both the arrows and, spears. Because it wouldn't have enough power. Todds workshop has a video arrows vs armor medieval mythbusting, and they're shooting 160 pound bows into regular plate from oh, like five feet if I recall correctly. And it barely dent's it, that's in the ballpark for what your average mistborn will weigh. In normal plate, it doesn't get through. No way in the world it cracks shardplate. And if you think that Plate isn't designed to redirect projectiles you haven't looked into it very much, for starters it's rounded and the coin wll want to roll along that, and additionally the Radiant can stumble back which also causes a blow to lose effectiveness. 1 hour ago, Gisaku75 said: Vim burns pewter or steel for hours as it has to move long distances. If you fill your stomach well you can burn for hours. Instead, when Kaladin tries to save Dalinar's army he must constantly absorb stormlight from the infused stones of the Parsmen just to maintain his physical abilities. And he will have fought for half an hour at the most. We have no idea how many vials of metal Vin went through Kaladin is 2nd Ideal 12 minutes ago, StanLemon said: Keep away would be a valid tactic for a Mistborn Doesn't get you a kill
StanLemon Posted July 13, 2020 Posted July 13, 2020 3 hours ago, Frustration said: Doesn't get you a kill Until the Radiant runs out of Stormlight, making either lose their Plate or worse making it a huge hindrance that they can't move. Not to mention the loss of healing
Enter a username Posted July 13, 2020 Posted July 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, StanLemon said: 3 hours ago, Frustration said: Doesn't get you a kill Until the Radiant runs out of Stormlight, making either lose their Plate or worse making it a huge hindrance that they can't move. Not to mention the loss of healing Yes. It doesn't get you a kill, but it makes one about 2491765029160912x easier. 1
Frustration Posted July 14, 2020 Author Posted July 14, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, StanLemon said: Until the Radiant runs out of Stormlight, making either lose their Plate or worse making it a huge hindrance that they can't move. Not to mention the loss of healing That would take weeks. And the Mistborn cannot refuel. They would have to burn Steel quite regularly in order to stay ahead, and would run out first. Edited July 14, 2020 by Frustration
Darkfinder she/her Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, Frustration said: That would take weeks. And the Mistborn cannot refuel. They would have to burn Steel quite regularly in order to stay ahead, and would run out first. Radiants lose stormlight fast when holding it a mistborn can occasionally attack the radiant meaning they have to constantly hold stormlight and that will burn through their stores fast.
Enter a username Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, Frustration said: That would take weeks. Not if they continuously forced the Radiant to take in Stormlight- gemstones hold it better then people.
StanLemon Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 23 minutes ago, Frustration said: That would take weeks. And the Mistborn cannot refuel. They would have to burn Steel quite regularly in order to stay ahead, and would run out first. It would take like an hour tops. When they've sucked up Stormlight they lose it at a very fast rate.
Frustration Posted July 14, 2020 Author Posted July 14, 2020 43 minutes ago, Darkfinder said: Radiants lose stormlight fast when holding it a mistborn can occasionally attack the radiant meaning they have to constantly hold stormlight and that will burn through their stores fast. 39 minutes ago, Enter a username said: Not if they continuously forced the Radiant to take in Stormlight- gemstones hold it better then people. 24 minutes ago, StanLemon said: It would take like an hour tops. When they've sucked up Stormlight they lose it at a very fast rate. They don't have to have all of it at once. Just summoning plate would deter any substantial attack from a Mistborn and any confrontation just leads to the same result s we have already discussed. Additionally a Radiant can keep pressure on a Mistborn without using Stormlight while a Mistborn does not have that same luxury of it came to a game of waiting, the Radiant can still force a confrontation.
StanLemon Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Frustration said: They don't have to have all of it at once. Just summoning plate would deter any substantial attack from a Mistborn and any confrontation just leads to the same result s we have already discussed. Additionally a Radiant can keep pressure on a Mistborn without using Stormlight while a Mistborn does not have that same luxury of it came to a game of waiting, the Radiant can still force a confrontation. Unlike Shardblades, Plate uses up Stormlight and a lot of it. We have no reason to believe that living Shardplate doesn't also have a huge drain
Frustration Posted July 14, 2020 Author Posted July 14, 2020 Just now, StanLemon said: Unlike Shardblades, Plate uses up Stormlight and a lot of it. We have no reason to believe that living Shardplate doesn't also have a huge drain Don't need it all the time just a quick on/off and back to the chase, or keep wearing it and hunt your opponent down, whichever.
StanLemon Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 Just now, Frustration said: Don't need it all the time just a quick on/off and back to the chase, or keep wearing it and hunt your opponent down, whichever. You really don't see the flaw in your argument? If it's off then they have it sucked up which drains quickly just by being in their system. It also leaves them vulnerable to being struck with coins. Summoning their Shardplate will drain their resources even quicker.
Frustration Posted July 14, 2020 Author Posted July 14, 2020 9 minutes ago, StanLemon said: You really don't see the flaw in your argument? If it's off then they have it sucked up which drains quickly just by being in their system. It also leaves them vulnerable to being struck with coins. Summoning their Shardplate will drain their resources even quicker. Summoning a blade doesn't require Stormlight, so why should plate? I don't care how fast your coins are you can't beat thought.
Enter a username Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Frustration said: That would take weeks. And the Mistborn cannot refuel. Ever heard of "metal vials?"
StanLemon Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Frustration said: Summoning a blade doesn't require Stormlight, so why should plate? I don't care how fast your coins are you can't beat thought. Maintaining Plate most likely does require Stormlight though. And what you are suggesting would be an easily exploitable pattern. Also a fast moving small coin would not be easy for a Radiant to see or track, so they could very well could be hit before they knew what was even happening. In fact Radiants so far have only done prolong fights when there has been an abundance of Stormlight available. The castle lights for Szeth, the gems in Parshendi beards at the end of WoK, The Battle of Thaylen Field for everyone. Most scenes where they address how much Stormlight is available have them use it up in a matter of minutes
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