Frustration Posted March 19, 2020 Posted March 19, 2020 (edited) Proceed at your own risk. Kaladin's arc is based around how everyone close to him dies, he must take the death of someone extremely close to him and accept it. There is no one closer than Syl. This is compounded by his admition that he needs to be there for the living not the dead, so unfortunately Syl must die irreversibly and totally, sent to the Beyond dead. I can't see a way around it and that terrifies me, but I see nobody else close enough to Kal to maximize the feels. Edited March 19, 2020 by Booknerd 1
Karger he/him Posted March 19, 2020 Posted March 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Booknerd said: Kaladin's arc is based around how everyone close to him dies, he must take the death of someone extremely close to him and accept it. There is no one closer than Syl. This is compounded by his admition that he needs to be there for the living not the dead, so unfortunately Sylust die irreversibly and totally, sent to the Beyond dead. I can't see a way around it and that terrifies me, but I see nobody else close enough to Kal to maximize the feels. Good grief! 1
DiePie Posted March 19, 2020 Posted March 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, Karger said: Good grief! grief builds character! 4
Eluvianii he/him Posted March 19, 2020 Posted March 19, 2020 I'm gonna evade the sadness this theory gives me by nitpicking, so, how do you kill a spren?
Frustration Posted March 19, 2020 Author Posted March 19, 2020 (edited) On 3/18/2020 at 8:07 PM, Eluvianii said: I'm gonna evade the sadness this theory gives me by nitpicking, so, how do you kill a spren? If you wish to avoid the sadness I point you to my first line. Also as how to kill them, Kal does so in Oathbringer seems Shardblades work just fine. If not we always have Odium, I am sorry. Edited January 22 by Frustration 1
Eluvianii he/him Posted March 19, 2020 Posted March 19, 2020 8 minutes ago, Booknerd said: If you wish to avoid the sadness I point you to my first line. Also as how to kill them Kal does so in Oathbringer seems Shardblades work just fine. If not we always have Odium, I am sorry. He did? Welp, I can always, just cross my fingers.
Frustration Posted March 19, 2020 Author Posted March 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, Eluvianii said: He did? Welp, I can always, just cross my fingers. We all can unfortunately this path can not be unseen I feel it will happen
Karger he/him Posted March 19, 2020 Posted March 19, 2020 14 minutes ago, Booknerd said: If you wish to avoid the sadness I point you to my first line. Also as how to kill them Kal does so in Oathbringer seems Shardblades work just fine. If not we always have Odium, I am sorry. This theory has problems he insists. If Syl dies then Kaladin can't swear any more oaths and he becomes just an ordinary person. 5
Frustration Posted March 19, 2020 Author Posted March 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Karger said: This theory has problems he insists. If Syl dies then Kaladin can't swear any more oaths and he becomes just an ordinary person. Unless Kaladin Accends.
Karger he/him Posted March 19, 2020 Posted March 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Booknerd said: Unless Kaladin Accends. In which case he can resurrect Syl. Problem solved. 2
Frustration Posted March 19, 2020 Author Posted March 19, 2020 Just now, Karger said: In which case he can resurrect Syl. Problem solved. You'll note I said 35 minutes ago, Booknerd said: Syl must die irreversibly and totally, sent to the Beyond dead. The Beyond is past Shardaic influence. Or potentially He could get a power up via Cultivation, Surgebinding is not the only source of power. 2
Bigmikey357 he/him Posted March 19, 2020 Posted March 19, 2020 Syl isn't a mortal. She cannot die in the same manner as mortal beings, being part of a Shard and all that. Now it's possible for her to be irretrievable in some way, but even that's a stretch. I believe it would take a direct strike from a Shard or shard representative to do the trick, and it's a trick likely as harmful to the attackers as it would be for Syl. 3
Karger he/him Posted March 19, 2020 Posted March 19, 2020 12 minutes ago, Booknerd said: The Beyond is past Shardaic influence. Or potentially He could get a power up via Cultivation, Surgebinding is not the only source of power. I am not sure that the same rules apply the same way for spren. Splintering Syl might be possible but I doubt Odium would go to the extra effort of breaking down her spiritual aspect as well. There would be no point. Then when he ascends Kaladin will resurrect her. As to a Cultivation power up. Brandon has implied that her stuff will be more of a back five thing.
Frustration Posted March 19, 2020 Author Posted March 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Karger said: I am not sure that the same rules apply the same way for spren. Splintering Syl might be possible but I doubt Odium would go to the extra effort of breaking down her spiritual aspect as well. There would be no point. Then when he ascends Kaladin will resurrect her. As to a Cultivation power up. Brandon has implied that her stuff will be more of a back five thing. Spren are Cognitive Shadows they're halfway to dead already. Any kill should end them. As to a back five unless we have confirmation on a death for Kal any time is possible
Karger he/him Posted March 19, 2020 Posted March 19, 2020 Just now, Booknerd said: Spren are Cognitive Shadows they're halfway to dead already. Killing a spren would be as hard as killing Mistborn Secret History Spoilers Spoiler Kelseir something that would actually have cost Ruin some effort. 1
NameIess Posted March 19, 2020 Posted March 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, Booknerd said: Spren are Cognitive Shadows they're halfway to dead already. Any kill should end them. As to a back five unless we have confirmation on a death for Kal any time is possible Spren are not Cognitive Shadows. They are beings made of pure investiture. There is a difference. 2
Frustration Posted March 19, 2020 Author Posted March 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, Karger said: Killing a spren would be as hard as killing Mistborn Secret History Spoilers Reveal hidden contents Kelseir something that would actually have cost Ruin some effort. SH Spoiler Ruin would have obliterated Kel, Preservation under it's many vessels were the only things that saved him was the only thing that saved him. 6 minutes ago, Nameless said: Spren are not Cognitive Shadows. They are beings made of pure investiture. There is a difference. Personified by humans cognitive perseption of particular attributes or things rather 'shadowy' if you ask me.
Karger he/him Posted March 19, 2020 Posted March 19, 2020 11 minutes ago, Booknerd said: SH It still would have required deliberate effort. This is more then I think is really necessary especially since just trapping or injuring Syl would accomplish the same thing faster and more easily.
Frustration Posted March 19, 2020 Author Posted March 19, 2020 23 minutes ago, Karger said: It still would have required deliberate effort. This is more then I think is really necessary especially since just trapping or injuring Syl would accomplish the same thing faster and more easily. Destroying the Stormfather was only avoided because Odium feared a Cultivation retribution destroying Syl would be way easier and probably less risky. 1
Karger he/him Posted March 19, 2020 Posted March 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, Booknerd said: Destroying the Stormfather was only avoided because Odium feared a Cultivation retribution destroying Syl would be way easier and probably less risky. But destroying the stormfather would actually do something. Killing Syl only really damages Kaladin and as I have said there are easier methods. 1
BasementDwellingRadiant Posted March 19, 2020 Posted March 19, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Booknerd said: Unless Kaladin Accends. Well, his name does mean "He who is born unto eternity." That said, I don't think Syl will "die" so much as be assimilated upon the swearing of Kaladin's final Oath. And, even that's a bit of a stretch. Edited March 19, 2020 by BasementDwellingRadiant
RShara she/her Posted March 19, 2020 Posted March 19, 2020 3 hours ago, Booknerd said: SH Reveal hidden contents Ruin would have obliterated Kel, Preservation under it's many vessels were the only things that saved him was the only thing that saved him. Personified by humans cognitive perseption of particular attributes or things rather 'shadowy' if you ask me. Cognitive Shadows are once-mortals that became suffused with enough investiture to persist after physical death. Spren are living embodiments of ideas/ideals. They're both composed of investiture, but I consider how they got that way to be an important distinction.
Gderu Posted March 19, 2020 Posted March 19, 2020 5 hours ago, Booknerd said: Proceed at your own risk. Kaladin's arc is based around how everyone close to him dies, he must take the death of someone extremely close to him and accept it. There is no one closer than Syl. This is compounded by his admition that he needs to be there for the living not the dead, so unfortunately Syl must die irreversibly and totally, sent to the Beyond dead. I can't see a way around it and that terrifies me, but I see nobody else close enough to Kal to maximize the feels. No it isn't. His arc is about learning to protect people. He must be able to deal with death so that he can protect those still alive, that is why we have this focus recently. But that does not mean that his arc is about dealing with death. Besides, we have already seen him face this struggle in book 2 - he thought he killed Syl, and yet, Kaladin still managed to protect someone and save the day, even without her. Having her be killed again in the process you describe will just be a rehashing of book 2's climax. 2
Dancer Posted March 19, 2020 Posted March 19, 2020 Yep Spren can die. Pinpoint Can Shardblades kill spren? Brandon Sanderson Theoretically, yes. Questioner Can spren die? Brandon Sanderson Spren can die but they are energy which cannot be destroyed. So dying means something different to them than it means to us.
Honorless he/him Posted March 19, 2020 Posted March 19, 2020 7 hours ago, Booknerd said: Proceed at your own risk. Kaladin's arc is based around how everyone close to him dies, he must take the death of someone extremely close to him and accept it. There is no one closer than Syl. This is compounded by his admition that he needs to be there for the living not the dead, so unfortunately Syl must die irreversibly and totally, sent to the Beyond dead. I can't see a way around it and that terrifies me, but I see nobody else close enough to Kal to maximize the feels. Kaladin's arc is more than just everybody around him dying. 4
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