Frustration Posted December 24, 2019 Report Share Posted December 24, 2019 I was looking through the arcanum when I saw this Winds Alight (paraphrased) In SA the Stormfather refers to several people as "Child of Honor", but only Kaladin as "Child of Tanavast". Is there significance to that? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Yes, there is. Stuttgart signing (May 17, 2019) So I see a few options here Kaladin is Literally Tanavast's child Kaladin is meant to take up Honor's shard.(Yes I know Everyone is screaming it's Dalinar deal with it) What do you think. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What's a Seawolf? Posted December 24, 2019 Report Share Posted December 24, 2019 I never noticed that when I was reading. If Kal's the only one who is referred to as such, I would assume a direct (many, many, many generations later) descendent. Maybe the story of the Queen of the Natanatan people and the Moons comes from Tanavast sleeping with a mortal? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honorless Posted December 24, 2019 Report Share Posted December 24, 2019 Maybe it's less direct lineage and more spiritual lineage? Err, not capital-S Spiritual, mind you, just that Kaladin is very honorable by nature, so maybe the Stormfather is just recognizing and acknowledging that, while using Child of Honor in a more general sense to refer to other people 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Q10fanatic Posted December 24, 2019 Report Share Posted December 24, 2019 I wonder if this is a title granted to Windrunners, due to their relationship with honorspren? Or, maybe to the head of the Windrunners? 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rask Posted December 24, 2019 Report Share Posted December 24, 2019 4 hours ago, What's a Seawolf? said: I never noticed that when I was reading. If Kal's the only one who is referred to as such, I would assume a direct (many, many, many generations later) descendent. Maybe the story of the Queen of the Natanatan people and the Moons comes from Tanavast sleeping with a mortal? I'm pretty sure that this story comes from humans having children with Aimians, the skin changing kind not the bug kind. As for Kaladin's being called child on Tanavast I would assume it has to do with him being the first of the new Windrunners. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger Posted December 25, 2019 Report Share Posted December 25, 2019 Keep in mind Brandon does occasionally enjoy trolling us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aon Tia Posted December 25, 2019 Report Share Posted December 25, 2019 11 hours ago, Booknerd said: Kaladin is meant to take up Honor's shard.(Yes I know Everyone is screaming it's Dalinar deal with it) I agree that Brandon is probably trolling us there but I think it is a real possibility that kaladin and not dalinar will end up with the shard of honor! The reason I think so is the death rattle: Quote He must pick it up, the fallen title. The tower, the crown and the spear. However, as far as child of Tanavast is considered!! I really don’t think that stormfather has that level of futuresight to know this and say it to kaladin! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilphon Posted December 25, 2019 Report Share Posted December 25, 2019 I feel like the title that Death Rattle is referring to is just 'Knight Radiant'. But, directly on-topic: I mean, we've met both of Kaladin's parents, and they're both alive and not God, so I think we can rule out the ultra-literal interpretation. But broadly, I really don't know what Brandon could be referring to, and that kind of bothers me. I can't think of any interpretation of this that doesn't bother me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent34 Posted December 25, 2019 Report Share Posted December 25, 2019 In regards to that Death Rattle keep in mind that the Kholin glyphs form a tower and crown so perhaps not referring to Honor. It could simply be that Kaladin has some weight or presence to him that the Stormfather can sense and so refers to him in a special way. None of the other characters are literal children of Honor after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lccaseiro58 Posted December 25, 2019 Report Share Posted December 25, 2019 I think it relates with his bond to Syl. Has far as we know, Syl was the only honorspren "alive" when Honor/Tanavast died, perhaps before his death Tanavast did something to her, like he did with the Stormfather. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoWibble Posted December 25, 2019 Report Share Posted December 25, 2019 I'm going with the kal is a windrunner and thus he bonded a spren of Tanavast. Syl is Honor's daughter, so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agrabes Posted December 26, 2019 Report Share Posted December 26, 2019 It could also mean that he is more the "figurative" child of Tanavast - that maybe Kaladin is someone who is a lot like Tanavast and holds the same values as he did but is not actually his direct child or descendant. Like in the "child of the 60's" sense of the phrase. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scifan Posted December 26, 2019 Report Share Posted December 26, 2019 What was revealed about Kaladin's mother's lineage? I remember there being something about her being related in some way to royalty somewhere along the line... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger Posted December 27, 2019 Report Share Posted December 27, 2019 1 hour ago, scifan said: What was revealed about Kaladin's mother's lineage? I remember there being something about her being related in some way to royalty somewhere along the line... Quote Emerald City Comic Con 2018 (March 1, 2018) #2 Share Copy Play/Pause Play/Pause Questioner Are both of Kaladin's maternal... grandparents darkeyes? Brandon Sanderson No. Good question. I think you're the first one to pull that out of me... There's one question, or two questions in [the signing line], that I know are driving your brains crazy, that are not as clear-cut in my answers as you might assume they are. One is about Kaladin's mother Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ripheus23 Posted December 27, 2019 Report Share Posted December 27, 2019 Maybe Kal is a descendant of Nohadon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frustration Posted January 2, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2020 (edited) On 12/27/2019 at 9:30 AM, Ripheus23 said: Maybe Kal is a descendant of Nohadon. Probably but to my understanding Nohadon doesn't have a relation to Tanavast stronger than being a Raidiant. Edited January 2, 2020 by Booknerd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Use the Falchion Posted January 2, 2020 Report Share Posted January 2, 2020 On 12/24/2019 at 8:01 AM, Booknerd said: Kaladin is Literally Tanavast's child We know Kaladin's parents, so unless Brandon is going to pull an Immaculate Conception on us, I doubt it's this one. On 12/24/2019 at 8:01 AM, Booknerd said: Kaladin is meant to take up Honor's shard.(Yes I know Everyone is screaming it's Dalinar deal with it) Also possible, but then why Tanavast specifically? Saying Son of Honor works fine, as Honor the Shard and Tanavast the person are/were two different things. On 12/24/2019 at 8:01 AM, Booknerd said: What do you think. Maybe one of the splinters of Honor was forced into a human, or gained sentience and is related to Kaladin in some sort of way. Maybe that was Nohadon and Kaladin is related to Nohadon. Maybe it's Brandon trolling us. Maybe it's something that'll come in play in the second half of the series. But honestly, I have no idea and I LOVE THAT. 6 hours ago, Booknerd said: Probably but to my understanding Nohadon doesn't have a relation to Tanavast stronger than being a Raidiant. That we know of just yet, but there's a LOT about Nohadon we don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frustration Posted January 3, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 3 hours ago, Use the Falchion said: We know Kaladin's parents, so unless Brandon is going to pull an Immaculate Conception on us, I doubt it's this one. Probably I'll give you that one 3 hours ago, Use the Falchion said: Also possible, but then why Tanavast specifically? Saying Son of Honor works fine, as Honor the Shard and Tanavast the person are/were two different things. Apple doesn't fall far from the tree logic, It's a metaphorical meaning as Kaladin is Walking in Tanavasts footsteps. 3 hours ago, Use the Falchion said: Maybe it's Brandon trolling us. Maybe it's something that'll come in play in the second half of the series. But honestly, I have no idea and I LOVE THAT. Most likely, I also like it makes it more interesting when we find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsdaughter613 Posted January 9, 2020 Report Share Posted January 9, 2020 I’d guess that Kal is a VERY distant descendant of Tanavast’s from before he ascended. After the Ascension, Tanavast was Honor. So Kaladin would be distantly descended from Yolish humans. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormlightNerd Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 Has Stormfather talked to any of the other Windrunners and called them "child of Honour/Tanavast"? Because Tanavast was the Herald of the Windrunners and so it would make sense if he was calling all Windrunners "Children of Tanavast". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 47 minutes ago, StormlightNerd said: Has Stormfather talked to any of the other Windrunners Not on screen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NameIess Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 It could just be that other Radiants have bonded Spren that have peices of "Honor" as in the actual Shard, while Kaladin shows the aspects of Tanavast, the personality of the Vessel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firebolt-101 Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 On 12/24/2019 at 1:06 PM, Q10fanatic said: I wonder if this is a title granted to Windrunners, due to their relationship with honorspren? Or, maybe to the head of the Windrunners? My only problem with that line of thinking is that Brandon confirmed there is significance in the Stormfather referring to Kaladin as Son of Tanavast, and I feel like it wouldn't be that big of a deal for him to agree to that if it was just because of Kaladin being a Windrunner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 6 minutes ago, Firebolt-101 said: My only problem with that line of thinking is that Brandon confirmed there is significance in the Stormfather referring to Kaladin as Son of Tanavast, and I feel like it wouldn't be that big of a deal for him to agree to that if it was just because of Kaladin being a Windrunner. Brandon has a history of trolling or even just answering in very broad terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent34 Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 12 hours ago, StormlightNerd said: Has Stormfather talked to any of the other Windrunners and called them "child of Honour/Tanavast"? Because Tanavast was the Herald of the Windrunners and so it would make sense if he was calling all Windrunners "Children of Tanavast". That'd be Jezrien. Tanavast is the (former) Vessel of Honor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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