The Mandalorian

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On 11/27/2020 at 11:15 PM, Ookla the Naxdin said:

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Well, I watched the episode.  It was probably one of my favorites so far.  (Was anyone else making Cosmere references in their head throughout?)  I have a single problem.

If the Jedi could stop with this 'emotions are bad and will turn you to the dark side', that would be great.

 

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Ahsoka was Anakin's padawan. Even though Jedi do tend to believe emotions are bad, Ahsoka has seen firsthand and with experience what strong attachments can lead to with strong force users. 

One Darth Vader was hard enough to deal with, and she does not want to be the cause of that. 

Besides, Ahsoka is no Jedi

On 11/28/2020 at 2:55 PM, The Ookla's Guard said:

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Is anyone gonna talk about the Thawn's namedrop in this episode?

First we had Boba Fett, then Bo Katan, Darktroopers, Ahsoka, and now Thrawn. This is shaping up to be an ambitious show. 

Also, the fight between Ahsoka and the Magistrate was made far cooler with the Beskar on Lightsaber action, I thought it as an excellent choice. Not my favorite episode for sure, but important and well done. It's good to see Filoni's improvements with live action directing.

 

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I think a lot of separate series or specials are being set up. I doubt we will run into Thrawn in the Mandalorian, but the end of Season 2 could change my mind. 

We will certainly see Bo Katan and the Dark Troopers in the last couple episodes of the season, though. Unfortunately, I don't think we'll see Ahsoka again! 

 

Edited February 3, 2021 by Ooklara

[The Ward's Guard he/him]

Just now, Orlionra said:

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Ashoka was Anakin's padawan. Even though Jedi do tend to believe emotions are bad, Ashoka has seen firsthand and with experience what strong attachments can lead to with strong force users. 

One Darth Vader was hard enough to deal with, and she does not want to be the cause of that. 

Besides, Ashoka is no Jedi

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I think a lot of separate series or specials are being set up. I doubt we will run into Thrawn in the Mandalorian, but the end of Season 2 could change my mind. 

We will certainly see Bo Katan and the Dark Troopers in the last couple episodes of the season, though. Unfortunately, I don't think we'll see Ashoka again! 

 

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I heard rumors of a Boba Fett show in the works. I hope that Mando goes after Bo Katan's plotline, but it seems to me that The Mandalorian is setting up an entire era for storytelling. 

I hope that Gideon stays as the main villain for The Mandalorian, as I think he's perfect for the show. Thrawn on the other hand should probably stay in the background, commanding everything.

Suffice it to say, I'm quite excited.

 

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1 minute ago, The Ookla's Guard said:

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I heard rumors of a Boba Fett show in the works. I hope that Mando goes after Bo Katan's plotline, but it seems to me that The Mandalorian is setting up an entire era for storytelling. 

I hope that Gideon stays as the main villain for The Mandalorian, as I think he's perfect for the show. Thrawn on the other hand should probably stay in the background, commanding everything.

Suffice it to say, I'm quite excited.

 

Yes, if future Star Wars follows the foundations laid by the Mandalorian, we're going to have a real fun time! 

[The Ward's Guard he/him]

Just now, Orlionra said:

Yes, if future Star Wars follows the foundations laid by the Mandalorian, we're going to have a real fun time! 

Thank you Filoni for not leaving us with only the Sequels to keep us company during these trying times.

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5 minutes ago, The Ookla's Guard said:

Thank you Filoni for not leaving us with only the Sequels to keep us company during these trying times.

No kidding. I lost my voice yelling at The Return of Skywalker (never saw it in theatre, so this was at a friend's house) 

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9 minutes ago, Orlionra said:

No kidding. I lost my voice yelling at The Return of Skywalker (never saw it in theatre, so this was at a friend's house) 

There were some good parts. But it mostly felt like JJ was trying to erase The Last Jedi. The only reason I didn't say much during my first time watching it was because I was in a theater. Somehow it was slightly better when I watched it a second time, probably because I actually knew what on earth was going on when they jumped from points A-Z of the plot faster than I could keep track of. It was a major mess, and rest assured, when I watched it at home, I heckled the heck out of that poorly constructed mess. Given the choice, I would rather watch literally any other Star Wars film than the Sequels. I might be overreacting, but I have a LONG rant that I can go on about why I don't like it. 

Sorry for going off on a mini-rant like this, but oooh boy, I don't like the Sequels. I respect those who like it, but I just don't.

Edited November 28, 2020 by The Ookla's Guard

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1 minute ago, The Ookla's Guard said:

There were some good parts. But it mostly felt like JJ was trying to erase The Last Jedi. The only reason I didn't say much during my first time watching it was because I was in a theater. Somehow it was slightly better when I watched it a second time, probably because I actually knew what on earth was going on when they jumped from points A-Z of the plot faster than I could keep track of. It was a major mess, and rest assured, when I watched it at home, I heckled the heck out of that poorly constructed mess. Given the choice, I would rather watch literally any other Star Wars film than the Sequels. I might be overreacting, but I have a LONG rant that I can go on about why I don't like it. 

Sorry for going off on a mini-rant like this, but oooh boy, I don't like the Sequels. I respect those who like it, but I just don't.

I understand about the propensity to mini-rant about the sequel trilogy, I suffer those same humours!

But you are also right, this is currently a thread of happiness! 

[NameIess]

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Well, they didn't have another useless filler episode before Ashoka. Too bad the dark troopers didn't catch up while Mando was with Ashoka.

 

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35 minutes ago, Ookla the Unnamable said:

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Well, they didn't have another useless filler episode before Ashoka. Too bad the dark troopers didn't catch up while Mando was with Ashoka.

 

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To create tension, you want to give the dark troopers a chance 

 

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To create tension, you want to give the dark troopers a chance 

 

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Yeah, but I don't want baby yoda getting captured, even though I think that that is likely.

 

[Use the Falchion]

On 11/28/2020 at 2:27 PM, The Ookla's Guard said:

There were some good parts. But it mostly felt like JJ was trying to erase The Last Jedi. The only reason I didn't say much during my first time watching it was because I was in a theater. Somehow it was slightly better when I watched it a second time, probably because I actually knew what on earth was going on when they jumped from points A-Z of the plot faster than I could keep track of. It was a major mess, and rest assured, when I watched it at home, I heckled the heck out of that poorly constructed mess. Given the choice, I would rather watch literally any other Star Wars film than the Sequels. I might be overreacting, but I have a LONG rant that I can go on about why I don't like it. 

Sorry for going off on a mini-rant like this, but oooh boy, I don't like the Sequels. I respect those who like it, but I just don't.

I know there's the actual Star Wars thread (or a couple actually) that would be better...but PREACH! 

Anyways, The Mandalorian basically does everything I want a sequel series to do. It has a contrasting main character, digs deeper into some of the places we've gone before while still feeling fresh and new. It handles different issues while still connecting to what came before. It's open for newcomers but it rewards those who've seen all of the other material. 

The Mandalorian is far from perfect, but it's easily the best we've got right now (outside of TCW). 

[Toaster Retribution he/him]

The latest episode was great, but one thing has me a little worried:

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Thrawn. I absolutely LOVE Thrawn. He is one of the best villains/antagonists in anything ever, so I really hope Favreau and Filoni don't screw him up, which is why they need to explain why one of Thrawns minions (The Magistrate) ran her own private oppressor regime for no good reason. Part of Thrawns greatness as a character is that he isn't The Emperor, Tarkin or Dooku. He isn't cruel for crueltys sake, but actually tries to avoid being bad as much as he can. So Thrawn would never condone the things that The Magistrate is doing. I really hope that they write Thrawn as Thrawn, and not as a purely villanious Empire-loyalist, because that is not who he is.

 

[Use the Falchion]

3 minutes ago, Toaster Retribution said:

The latest episode was great, but one thing has me a little worried:

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Thrawn. I absolutely LOVE Thrawn. He is one of the best villains/antagonists in anything ever, so I really hope Favreau and Filoni don't screw him up, which is why they need to explain why one of Thrawns minions (The Magistrate) ran her own private oppressor regime for no good reason. Part of Thrawns greatness as a character is that he isn't The Emperor, Tarkin or Dooku. He isn't cruel for crueltys sake, but actually tries to avoid being bad as much as he can. So Thrawn would never condone the things that The Magistrate is doing. I really hope that they write Thrawn as Thrawn, and not as a purely villanious Empire-loyalist, because that is not who he is.

 

Have you watched Rebels? Because 

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Thrawn is THE major antagonist in Season 3 and 4 of Rebels, as well as possessing a newly forged backstory in a trilogy written by Timothy Zahn. 

In terms of how he's characterized in the new canon versus how he was in the old canon...I can't say, because I haven't read the old books yet (despite me owning two copies of the first one!). But it's...different. I think his characterization by Zahn is stronger in both cases than his characterization by Filoni. But that's because of the Rebels format, not the character, IMO. 

 

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23 minutes ago, Use the Falchion said:

Have you watched Rebels? Because 

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Thrawn is THE major antagonist in Season 3 and 4 of Rebels, as well as possessing a newly forged backstory in a trilogy written by Timothy Zahn. 

In terms of how he's characterized in the new canon versus how he was in the old canon...I can't say, because I haven't read the old books yet (despite me owning two copies of the first one!). But it's...different. I think his characterization by Zahn is stronger in both cases than his characterization by Filoni. But that's because of the Rebels format, not the character, IMO. 

 

Haven't watched those seasons of Rebels yet, but i have read "Thrawn" and "Thrawn: Alliances", as well as Book 1 and 3 of the old Zahn-trilogy (school library didn't have the middle book for some reason). Anyhow, I know what Thrawn does in Rebels pretty well, and Im not terribly fond of the direction they went with him there either (Thrawn explicitly turned down orbital bombardment of civillians in "Thrawn", but does execute it in Rebels without much hesitation as far as I understand). So, while I love Filoni, I am not super-confident in his ability to write Thrawn. 

But yes, old Thrawn is a bit different from new Thrawn. I will spoiler this, since it relates to the old Thrawn-trilogy, which you haven't read (wont contain much in terms of actual plot spoilers though): 

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Old Thrawn is, as far as I remember, more of an Empire loyalist, whereas he is loyal to his people and their cause in his new iteration. He is more callous and, while not needlessly cruel, certainly more of a classic villain than he is in the new Zahn-books. I can see old Thrawn being more lenient with his minions behavior, at least if it worked in his/the Empires favor. New Thrawn is more of a good guy who joins the lesser evil for the greater good, while old Thrawn is a more sympathetic bad guy who is genuinely loyal to the Empire.

Anyway, I hope they stay consistent with Thrawns current portrayal. Gideon works fine as a ruthless Empire-loyalist. Let Thrawn be Thrawn.

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1 hour ago, Toaster Retribution said:

Haven't watched those seasons of Rebels yet, but i have read "Thrawn" and "Thrawn: Alliances", as well as Book 1 and 3 of the old Zahn-trilogy (school library didn't have the middle book for some reason). Anyhow, I know what Thrawn does in Rebels pretty well, and Im not terribly fond of the direction they went with him there either (Thrawn explicitly turned down orbital bombardment of civillians in "Thrawn", but does execute it in Rebels without much hesitation as far as I understand). So, while I love Filoni, I am not super-confident in his ability to write Thrawn. 

But yes, old Thrawn is a bit different from new Thrawn. I will spoiler this, since it relates to the old Thrawn-trilogy, which you haven't read (wont contain much in terms of actual plot spoilers though): 

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Old Thrawn is, as far as I remember, more of an Empire loyalist, whereas he is loyal to his people and their cause in his new iteration. He is more callous and, while not needlessly cruel, certainly more of a classic villain than he is in the new Zahn-books. I can see old Thrawn being more lenient with his minions behavior, at least if it worked in his/the Empires favor. New Thrawn is more of a good guy who joins the lesser evil for the greater good, while old Thrawn is a more sympathetic bad guy who is genuinely loyal to the Empire.

Anyway, I hope they stay consistent with Thrawns current portrayal. Gideon works fine as a ruthless Empire-loyalist. Let Thrawn be Thrawn.

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I too get some mixed messages about Thrawn between Rebels and the Books. I'm wondering if someone has found a way to explain this behavior that just doesn't fit in with Thrawn. I mean, I haven't finished the new Thrawn trilogy, so I can't say much for sure. 

I do feel that Thrawn was probably forced to rely on the Magistrate because of her efficiency and his likely lack of alternatives. As presented in Rebels and the Books, Thrawn is a character who likes results, and the Magistrate can get him those results. I would like it personally if they pretty much only used the Mandalorian to introduce Thrawn into this period before addressing him more directly in some other form of media. My reasoning behind this is that Gideon already fills the role of "main antagonist", and I like him in that role, throwing Thrawn in as a villain seems like overkill. He would be better off as a villain like Sidious was in Episodes IV and V, that is to say, in the background controlling the bad guys. I hope that you're following me on this train of thought.

 

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8 hours ago, The Ookla's Guard said:

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I too get some mixed messages about Thrawn between Rebels and the Books. I'm wondering if someone has found a way to explain this behavior that just doesn't fit in with Thrawn. I mean, I haven't finished the new Thrawn trilogy, so I can't say much for sure. 

I do feel that Thrawn was probably forced to rely on the Magistrate because of her efficiency and his likely lack of alternatives. As presented in Rebels and the Books, Thrawn is a character who likes results, and the Magistrate can get him those results. I would like it personally if they pretty much only used the Mandalorian to introduce Thrawn into this period before addressing him more directly in some other form of media. My reasoning behind this is that Gideon already fills the role of "main antagonist", and I like him in that role, throwing Thrawn in as a villain seems like overkill. He would be better off as a villain like Sidious was in Episodes IV and V, that is to say, in the background controlling the bad guys. I hope that you're following me on this train of thought.

 

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Yeah, I totally get what you mean. Personally, I would find it interesting if they did some kind of struggle between Gideon or Thrawn for control over the Imperial remnants. After all, I can defenitely see those two having different goals. But agreed, they shouldn't just replace Gideon with Thrawn, or something to that effect. The fact that the Magistrate wasn't using stormtroopers also tells me that Thrawn and Gideon aren't working together, since Gideon and his minions seems to be exclusively using Imperial troops. 

 

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On 11/27/2020 at 10:15 PM, Ookla the Naxdin said:

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If the Jedi could stop with this 'emotions are bad and will turn you to the dark side', that would be great.

 

To be fair the one time they did,

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it created the single most powerful sith lord in the entire universe, and maybe of all time. It makes sense, especially since this is Ahsoka of all people, she's seen firsthand what can happen.

Edit: Wow I sure wish I'd seen that there was an entire additional page and someone already said basically the exact same thing lol.

Edited November 30, 2020 by Ookla the Stick

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I forgot we had a Mandalorian thread! So far I think season 2 is even better than season one and the latest episode was just amazing and I have never watched any of the animated series. I am really glad we can stop calling him Baby Yoda as well. 

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Hey for someone who doesn’t have extensive lore knowledge (haven’t watched the clone wars, rebels, or read any canon books) where would be a good place to catch up on who Thrawn is? I’ve heard things about how amazing he is, so I’d like to know more!

 

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Hey for someone who doesn’t have extensive lore knowledge (haven’t watched the clone wars, rebels, or read any canon books) where would be a good place to catch up on who Thrawn is? I’ve heard things about how amazing he is, so I’d like to know more!

 

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I heavily suggest that you watch the Clone Wars 2008 animated TV show, it is 100% worth watching. For those who tell you that it's a kids show, they obviously have not watched it themselves. Although to be honest, Thrawn does not make an appearance in Clone Wars, but he does in Rebels. If you want a good review for Thrawn in both Canon and old legends, then this is one that I would suggest. There are spoilers for the Rebels TV finale if you plan on watching it.

 

 

[Use the Falchion]

Watched today's episode this morning while procrastinating from some homework. Overall, it was my least favorite episodes this season by far, and possibly my least favorite in the show. 

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9 minutes ago, Use the Falchion said:

Watched today's episode this morning while procrastinating from some homework. Overall, it was my least favorite episodes this season by far, and possibly my least favorite in the show. 

I woke up at 5am just to watch it before going to work. I do not share your feelings though. I am probably just hypnotized by the fan service though. 

[Use the Falchion]

1 hour ago, StormingTexan said:

I woke up at 5am just to watch it before going to work. I do not share your feelings though. I am probably just hypnotized by the fan service though. 

Fan service can be a great thing, and I recognize my feelings about this episode seem to be in the minority. My full thoughts: 

 

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First and foremost, I'm not a big Boba Fett guy. I understand the appeal, but growing up with the OT all at once, I knew he sort of just died so I never saw why everyone thought he was so cool. Even Boba's backstory in TCW didn't change that. (I preferred Jango anyways for his sleek armor, actual besting of a Jedi for the most part, and retroactively being the OG.)
Boba's "I've got my armor back so now I'm cool again" montage was more eye-roll inducing than anything else to me. Yes, you're cool. Yes, now you can prove that you're cool. We get it. I don't have a problem with the show bringing him back or the acting, I'm just not attached to him, so the spotlight on him as a character wasn't engaging.

Outside of that, the planet Tython, while cool and possessing an enjoyable setting, made the planet feel more like a...fan-made movie than anything else. And don't get me wrong, the production value on some fan-made movies is wild! But this felt like Mando was that level instead of the level it should be. The action didn't help but it didn't hurt. Some parts of it were good - I really enjoyed the Stormtroopers using both the Gatling gun thing and the grenade launcher thing - but most of it wasn't that interesting to me. It felt a bit like filler, to be honest. 

Third, I wasn't a fan of the pacing or decisions made this episode. When Mando clearly should have been taking the offense, he was back with Baby Yoda (understandably so, but narratively annoying); and OF COURSE just when he leaves, Baby Yoda's defenses are down. It's not a bad thing, but it was so predictable that I didn't care.

Next you have the destruction of the Razorcrest, which Mando went through so much just to get working this season! That felt like a "kick the dog" moment for fans, and it just made all of our hard work feel wasted.

Lastly, of course they were going to lose. They needed to lose to set up the final two episodes and get their team-up team together; Baby Yoda needed to contact someone to set up the surprise cameo(s) we'll be getting later on.

That doesn't mean there weren't good things about this episode:

Mando's laughter at the beginning was great. 

Fennic Shand's return was a high point for me. I love Min-Na Win, and hopefully she'll stick around for a bit now that Agents of SHIELD is over. (Although I did find the CGI on her stomach to be videogame quality at best (PS4 Pro graphics, so good, but not great).)

The theme that Ludwig is doing for Boba has some nice elements to it.

And the reveal that Jango was a Foundling (?) was really neat, as was Boba's "I'm a simple man" line. 

But overall, yeah, this has been my least favorite episode this season by far. Maybe for the entire show. The directing was decent at best, the plot was predictable**, and the "hype" moments only work if you're a fan of Boba. Otherwise they stick out like a sort thumb. I'll probably just watch this episode with my dad next week, so we can pair it with something hopefully better. 

 

Extraneous notes: 

I think calling this episode "The Lost" would probably have been a better choice. Nothing in this episode feels particularly tragic other than the loss of the Razorcrest; calling this "The Lost" would refer the battle went, what was sacrificed, and the tone of the episode by the end. 
 

**I'm not saying predictability is always a bad thing, not at all! Lord knows there are times where going the predictable path is absolutely the right choice. And I think this time it may have been one of them. It's just, paired with everything else, I can't help feel like this was a step down for the season as a whole.

 

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7 minutes ago, Use the Falchion said:

Fan service can be a great thing, and I recognize my feelings about this episode seem to be in the minority. My full thoughts: 

 

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First and foremost, I'm not a big Boba Fett guy. I understand the appeal, but growing up with the OT all at once, I knew he sort of just died so I never saw why everyone thought he was so cool. Even Boba's backstory in TCW didn't change that. (I preferred Jango anyways for his sleek armor, actual besting of a Jedi for the most part, and retroactively being the OG.)
Boba's "I've got my armor back so now I'm cool again" montage was more eye-roll inducing than anything else to me. Yes, you're cool. Yes, now you can prove that you're cool. We get it. I don't have a problem with the show bringing him back or the acting, I'm just not attached to him, so the spotlight on him as a character wasn't engaging.

Outside of that, the planet Tython, while cool and possessing an enjoyable setting, made the planet feel more like a...fan-made movie than anything else. And don't get me wrong, the production value on some fan-made movies is wild! But this felt like Mando was that level instead of the level it should be. The action didn't help but it didn't hurt. Some parts of it were good - I really enjoyed the Stormtroopers using both the Gatling gun thing and the grenade launcher thing - but most of it wasn't that interesting to me. It felt a bit like filler, to be honest. 

Third, I wasn't a fan of the pacing or decisions made this episode. When Mando clearly should have been taking the offense, he was back with Baby Yoda (understandably so, but narratively annoying); and OF COURSE just when he leaves, Baby Yoda's defenses are down. It's not a bad thing, but it was so predictable that I didn't care.

Next you have the destruction of the Razorcrest, which Mando went through so much just to get working this season! That felt like a "kick the dog" moment for fans, and it just made all of our hard work feel wasted.

Lastly, of course they were going to lose. They needed to lose to set up the final two episodes and get their team-up team together; Baby Yoda needed to contact someone to set up the surprise cameo(s) we'll be getting later on.

That doesn't mean there weren't good things about this episode:

Mando's laughter at the beginning was great. 

Fennic Shand's return was a high point for me. I love Min-Na Win, and hopefully she'll stick around for a bit now that Agents of SHIELD is over. (Although I did find the CGI on her stomach to be videogame quality at best (PS4 Pro graphics, so good, but not great).)

The theme that Ludwig is doing for Boba has some nice elements to it.

And the reveal that Jango was a Foundling (?) was really neat, as was Boba's "I'm a simple man" line. 

But overall, yeah, this has been my least favorite episode this season by far. Maybe for the entire show. The directing was decent at best, the plot was predictable**, and the "hype" moments only work if you're a fan of Boba. Otherwise they stick out like a sort thumb. I'll probably just watch this episode with my dad next week, so we can pair it with something hopefully better. 

 

Extraneous notes: 

I think calling this episode "The Lost" would probably have been a better choice. Nothing in this episode feels particularly tragic other than the loss of the Razorcrest; calling this "The Lost" would refer the battle went, what was sacrificed, and the tone of the episode by the end. 
 

**I'm not saying predictability is always a bad thing, not at all! Lord knows there are times where going the predictable path is absolutely the right choice. And I think this time it may have been one of them. It's just, paired with everything else, I can't help feel like this was a step down for the season as a whole.

 

I get where you are coming from. 

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However without the interest of Boba Fett I doubt there would even be a Mandalorian show now. I agree with some of your points though. It was kind of an episode set up solely for the reason to see Boba Fett on the screen. I would not say it is the best episode but far from the worst for me.  I'm old though I saw RoJ in the theater when I was a kid 

 

[The Ward's Guard he/him]

Spoiler free opinion.

The episode was too short for its subject matter. I would have definitely preferred it if this episode was 45+ minutes.

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I liked Boba Fett's appearance and subsequent fan service, even though I wasn't born in time to experience the OT when it came out. I personally have felt that the character's potential has always been wasted, so I geeked out a bit when I saw him in action with his armor. I'm interested to see where they take him, and I hope they use him as an actual character instead of just a cool looking guy for the old fans. It also seems strange that Boba told him to drop the Jetpack of all things.

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I hope that they are able to do much of the same thing that Filoni did with Maul during TCW, it's technically a spoiler I guess.

I feel that the whole thing was rushed, especially while dealing with the planet of Tython. I suspected that they would have spent more time building up the setting itself instead of just rushing straight to the action. Don't get me wrong, I love action, but I also love world-building, especially by just showing. Tython just seems like such an important place to just kinda briefly go to, which also happens to resemble the landscape of California. I just expected more.

We got to see Dark Troopers, I just wish that they could have done literally ANYTHING cool. If you ask me, they resemble the old Legends Phase 1 Dark Troopers, just beefier so to speak. 

Moff Gideon came off as intimidating as always to me. He's easily becoming one of my favorite Disney Star Wars villains, with pretty his only competition being Krennic in my humble opinion. That is, of the villains that didn't "exist" before Disney came in and took over it all.

My biggest complaint is that it was too much in too little time. It should have been a longer episode so that we could have had more time to make sense of things.

 

Edited December 5, 2020 by The Ookla's Guard