How do the kin of the bonded spren feel towards the bonded spren?

[The Night Watcher]

Ivory is embarrassed about being bonded, right? And I seem to recall Pattern implying that the Cryptics feel a similar uneasiness about the bond. With Syl, my memories are kinda fuzzy. I recall her talking about how the Honorspren see her as something of a rebel, but then there was also that whole deal with the Honorspren checking out Kaladin's squires. 

I'm curious about Ivory, mainly, because his race of spren seems important. Stately, even. In the prologue to WoR, Jasnah saw many shadows in Shadesmar, which I assume were inkspren asides from Ivory. I say that because after Ivory bowed to Jasnah, the narrative mentions that the shadows whispered to each other. Perhaps, this was their shock at Ivory accepting Jasnah?

Thoughts on this? Mostly want to hear what feeling everyone else is getting from this. It's almost like bonding is a taboo among spren.    

[Ahriman he/him]

I got the feeling that, since so many spren died during the Recreance, most spren aren't thrilled with the idea. I know Syl really wasn't supposed to bond with Kaladin, and the rest of the Honorspren only came around later, and I think Ivory had a similar thing going on. But from what I recall, the Cryptics were in favour of a bond, and Pattern was either selected or volunteered (I can't quite remember). They saw it as more of a study in humans and bonds, I think. I could be wrong about all of that.

Presumably, the highspren don't mind at all, since they've been making Skybreakers for a long time.

[CrazyRioter she/her]

The inkspren are generally firmly against bonding. Ivory is basically a rebel at this point.

The honorspren were against bonding for a long time, and Syl did disobey in order to run off and bond Kaladin, but some of them have reconsidered.

The Cryptics are kinda weird, they figure any who bond will probably die, but also that it's worth it in order to study humans.

The cultivationspren leaders (the Ring) asked Wyndle to bond Lift.

Generally spren are leery about bonding because of all the spren that died in the Recreance, and the ones that are bonding are only doing so because Odium will kill everyone anyway if he wins. Basically.

[Weltall]

It very much depends on the type of spren. Honorspren in general don't like humans (given that they see themselves as closest to Honor's ideal and thus take a very dim view of the Recreance) so Syl was seen as a rebel for choosing to bond one. They're mentioned in Oathbringer to the the spren thought to be least likely to bond again as a result but clearly this isn't the case any longer since we see them taking an interest in Bridge Four and the other Squires and several have already formed Nahel Bonds. There's probably still suspicion and other Honorspren might not like that the others are bonding but it's no longer just Syl versus the rest of them, so clearly others approve of what she did.

Similarly, the Inkspren weren't interested in bonding again but Ivory insisted on doing it and went against the others to bond Jasnah. They're probably going to work out similar to the Honorspren (resistance at first with those who do bond being ostracized, then the rest will slowly start to come around) but right now we only have a sample size of one.

By contrast the Cryptics have been bonding for longer and were keeping an eye on potential bond partners before the Honorspren. The Cultivationspren have a council of sorts that decides who to bond and we know that in addition to Lift they were interested in Ym and by implication at least a few other people since Wyndle mentions other people he could have gotten as a partner instead of 'Storming Awesome' Lift. So clearly it's something approved of and being chosen to form a Nahel Bond is a big deal for them. Wyndle also mentions being carefully prepared for his bond, which is why he remembers more after making the transition to the Physical Realm than most spren.

And as mentioned, the Highspren seem perfectly fine with bonding (and allowing others of their kind doing the same) since their associated Radiant Order has continued to exist for the past two thousand or so years. They're also apparently willing to share what they know, since Jasnah apparently spoke with them during her time in Shadesmar.

[HSuperLee]

Under ideal circumstances, they probably view it like when your cousin gets married. It's like, "Well, this new person is kind of part of my life now, but I'll only see them at family gatherings and it's not really a super big deal." 

With the present circumstances in the series, it probably feels a lot like if your cousin got married to a drug dealer. Basically, "I guess it won't affect me, but why on Roshar would you do that!"

[+Invocation]

1 minute ago, HSuperLee said:

With the present circumstances in the series, it probably feels a lot like if your cousin got married to a drug dealer. Basically, "I guess it won't affect me, but why on Roshar would you do that!"

I'd say more like a serial killer from a family of serial killers than a drug dealer, but yeah, pretty much.

[RShara she/her]

As others have said, it depends on the spren type. Most of them seem to believe that the spren who bond will end up being killed, just some are thinking it's worth it.

Some of the honorspren are still very against it, but others are coming around.

The inkspren are very against the idea and Ivory took on that name specifically to thumb his nose at his brethren.

The Cryptics are actively trying to get bonds (we know of at least 4 people attempted), and don't much care if they die for it.

The cultivationspren had several candidates in mind, and specifically sent Wyndle to bond with Lift.

We don't really see much of the Truthwatchers, but since we have two of them (sorta), I would guess they're in favor of the bond.

The highspren are all for it, since their humans never broke their Oaths.

I don't think we've seen any others for sure, so far.

[Karger he/him]

7 minutes ago, RShara said:

The Cryptics are actively trying to get bonds (we know of at least 4 people attempted), and don't much care if they die for it.

Elhokar, Shallahn, Tein and who else?

[RShara she/her]

 

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I'm dying, aren't I? Healer, why do you take my blood? Who is that beside you, with his head of lines? I can see a distant sun, dark and cold, shining in a black sky.

— Collected on Jesanach 1172, 11 seconds pre-death, by the Silent Gatherers. Subject was a Reshi chull trainer. Sample is of particular note.

 

Edited February 27, 2019 by RShara

[Quantus he/him]

Also Hoid, though I doubt the Cryptics were planning for that one.

[CrazyRioter she/her]

Yeah, Hoid doesn't count, as that was a spur of the moment thing instigated by Hoid himself. I would expect them to be very happy about it though, given Hoid's secrets.

Edited February 27, 2019 by CrazyRioter

[Quantus he/him]

3 minutes ago, CrazyRioter said:

Yeah, Hoid doesn't count, as that was a spur of the moment thing instigated by Hoid himself. I would expect them to be very happy about it though, given Hoid's secrets.

Agreed, and not just the secrets, that little fella is bonded to the OG Lightweaver!  Though it might depend on what it ends up taking to allow said cryptic to travel off-world, hopefully nothing too drastic. 

[Pathfinder]

46 minutes ago, RShara said:

As others have said, it depends on the spren type. Most of them seem to believe that the spren who bond will end up being killed, just some are thinking it's worth it.

Some of the honorspren are still very against it, but others are coming around.

The inkspren are very against the idea and Ivory took on that name specifically to thumb his nose at his brethren.

The Cryptics are actively trying to get bonds (we know of at least 4 people attempted), and don't much care if they die for it.

The cultivationspren had several candidates in mind, and specifically sent Wyndle to bond with Lift.

We don't really see much of the Truthwatchers, but since we have two of them (sorta), I would guess they're in favor of the bond.

The highspren are all for it, since their humans never broke their Oaths.

I don't think we've seen any others for sure, so far.

I thought the reason Ivory picked his name is because he found contradictions very interesting? Could you provide your reference? Not saying I disagree or don't like the idea, just that it is the first I am hearing of it. 

[RShara she/her]

1 minute ago, Pathfinder said:

I thought the reason Ivory picked his name is because he found contradictions very interesting? Could you provide your reference? Not saying I disagree or don't like the idea, just that it is the first I am hearing of it. 

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Ivory was the only new-generation inkspren to form a Radiant bond. Some of his fellows would rather have killed Jasnah, instead of letting him risk what he had done.

The spren had a noble air about him, stiff-backed and commanding. He could change his size at will, but not his shape, except when fully in this realm, manifesting as a Shardblade. He had taken the name Ivory as a symbol of defiance. He was not what his kin said he was, and would not suffer what fate proclaimed.

 

[Pathfinder]

18 minutes ago, RShara said:

 

Ah gotcha. I was thinking of this one, though I could have sworn there was one that specifically stated as such. Will do a bit more digging. 

 

Blightsong [PENDING REVIEW]
What did Ivory mean by the Skybreakers living in death? 

Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW]
Ivory likes contradictions, they fascinate him. And he is saying that they live in death in that they kill a lot. It's a philosophical sort of thing. He's making an Ivory observation, it's not something you're supposed to take as a pronouncement of nature or reality. 

 

edit: yep so it looks like that was the WoB that made me think that. Thanks for the added info! I forgot that portion of the scene 

Edited February 27, 2019 by Pathfinder

[The Night Watcher]

1 hour ago, Quantus said:

Also Hoid, though I doubt the Cryptics were planning for that one.

What's this about Hoid having a spren? I know he's a worldhopper but not much more than that. Care to explain?

[CrazyRioter she/her]

5 minutes ago, The Night Watcher said:

What's this about Hoid having a spren? I know he's a worldhopper but not much more than that. Care to explain?

Hoid bonded the Cryptic that was originally bonding with Elohkar in the epilogue of OB.

[The Night Watcher]

4 minutes ago, CrazyRioter said:

Hoid bonded the Cryptic that was originally bonding with Elohkar in the epilogue of OB.

Really? Wow. Now I'm curious. Where can I find info on that? And where was it first mentioned?

[CrazyRioter she/her]

Just now, The Night Watcher said:

Really? Wow. Now I'm curious. Where can I find info on that? And where was it first mentioned?

Uh, he's seen talking to a Cryptic the epilogue and also we have WoB confirmation also.

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Questioner 1 [PENDING REVIEW]

Can people not from Roshar bond with spren and get the Shardplate and whatnot?

Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW]

You have seen someone not from Roshar bond a spren. You have seen that much happen.

Questioner 2 [PENDING REVIEW]

We know for sure that Hoid is a Lightweaver.

Questioner 1 [PENDING REVIEW]

Do we know that?

Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW]

Hoid has bonded a spren.

Skyward Seattle signing (Nov. 10, 2018)

and also

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Questioner [PENDING REVIEW]

The spren that Hoid picks up, is that the one meant for Elhokar?

Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW]

It is, yep.

Emerald City Comic Con 2018 (March 1, 2018)

 

[RShara she/her]

Edit: Posted in wrong topic.

Edited February 28, 2019 by RShara

[Kramerfarve]

Seem to be overlooking the light-spren, who hate the idea of bonding humans so much that the only new light spren nahel Bond is to a certain singer in envoyform.

[cfphelps he/him]

20 hours ago, The Night Watcher said:

Really? Wow. Now I'm curious. Where can I find info on that? And where was it first mentioned?

It's the epilogue of OB. Hoid/Wit PoV and he's in Kholinor and gets into the palace. 

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He passed the sentry post, and wondered if anyone else thought it irregular that the Fused spent so much time here near this fallen section of the palace. Did anyone wonder why they worked so hard, clearing blocks, breaking down walls? It was good to know that his heart could still flutter at a performance. He ducked in close to the work project, and a pair of more mundane singer guards cursed at him to move on toward the gardens, with the other beggars. He bowed several times, then tried to sell them some trinkets from his pocket. One shoved him away, and so he acted panicked, scrambling past them and up a ramp into the work project itself. Nearby, some workers broke rocks, and a patch of blood stained the ground. The two singer guards shouted at him to get out. Wit adopted a frightened look, and hurried to obey, but tripped himself so he fell against the wall of the palace—a portion that was still standing. “Look,” he whispered to the wall, “you don’t have many choices right now.”

Above, the Fused turned to look at him.

“I know you’d rather have someone else,” Wit said, “but it isn’t the time to be picky. I’m certain now that the reason I’m in the city is to find you.” The two singer guards approached, one bowing apologetically to the Fused in the air. They still didn’t realize that sort of behavior would not impress the ancient singers. “It’s either go with me now,” Wit said to the wall, “or wait it out and get captured. I honestly don’t even know if you’ve the mind to listen. But if you do, know this: I will give you truths. And I know some juicy ones.” The guards reached him. Wit pushed against them, slamming himself against the wall again. Something slipped from one of the cracks in the wall. A moving Pattern that dimpled the stone. It crossed to his hand, which he tucked into his rags as the guards seized him under the arms and hauled him out into the gardens, then tossed him among the beggars there. Once they were gone, Wit rolled over and looked at the Pattern that now covered his palm. It seemed to be trembling. “Life before death, little one,” Wit whispered.

 

 

[The Night Watcher]

4 hours ago, cfphelps said:

It's the epilogue of OB. Hoid/Wit PoV and he's in Kholinor and gets into the palace. 

 

Thank you! I just got the Graphic Audio, so I guess I'm listening to it back to front.

[Philomath she/her]

We only have a sample size of one but there is also one dustbringer spren. An ash spren. Who seems to have bonded Malata because they liked “breaking things” and almost seems like they want revenge for the recreance.