I think I am here. Posted March 26, 2019 Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, Darth Sir Woodrack Groot said: Jackal took Doomhorns mike went to the center of the room, a bit off from Althea if she was also there, and said, "From a legal perspective, what have these people dine wrong?" “Taken control of a portion of the Ghostblood army, and slaughtered a church, kid,” Lusk said. He realised it was the kid who thought he was older than Lusk again. “That’s about as illegal as you can get. And yes, I guess I will be answering any questions you all have while the Righthand leaves, so shoot.” Edited March 26, 2019 by I think I am here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Woodrack Posted March 26, 2019 Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 "Technically, you incompetents haven't managed to decide on a police force yet, let alone make anything illegal. So, technically, it doesn't matter if GB was involved in this or not, or who was involved, as you haven't made murder, inter guild attacks, invasions, army hijacking, or anything else the suspects have done, illegal. So, technically, I have not done anything wrong, and will be leaving now," Jackal walked out the door, as nobody could legally stop him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted March 26, 2019 Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 Several DA members stood up grinning. They had been content to sit and watch while matters unfolded, but if people wanted to make claims about what was and wasn't legal. Well so far there had only been one thing that was legalized officially, only one officially sanctioned action that was confirmed to be legal under this government. Spikes fell into hands as they looked expectantly towards the Jackal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I think I am here. Posted March 26, 2019 Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 5 hours ago, Darth Woodrack said: Jackal walked out the door, as nobody could legally stop him. A group of Ghostbloods stood in front. “Well, then, it wouldn’t be illegal to detain you anyway, will it?” Wes said, looking at him. “And you never answered my questions about an autograph!” Lusk just watched. “Any other questions?” 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Woodrack Posted March 26, 2019 Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 As soon as Jackal was out the door he started running. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatebreaker Posted March 26, 2019 Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 (edited) Instantly a Dark Alley Denizen leapt from the shadows and grabbed ahold of the Jackal. He flared Allomantic cadmium and grinned at the man. “Let me be the first to say that we’re VERY glad you tried to run.” He dropped the cadmium bubble to reveal that a cage had been built around them. It hummed with energy, and seemed to be an interwoven lattice of various metals. Denizens inspected the Aons that were set into the exterior. The Denizen in the cage with the Jackal winked at him. “It gets better.” (edited to allow reactions) Edited March 26, 2019 by Fatebreaker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Woodrack Posted March 26, 2019 Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 (edited) As soon as the Denizen grabbed hold of him, Jackal spun around and broke his neck with ease, using his enhanced speed and reaction time. Quote You know Jackal is one of my PCs right? Not an NPC. That was godmodding. Edited March 26, 2019 by Darth Woodrack 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatebreaker Posted March 26, 2019 Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 (edited) Quote To be fair , he wasn’t harmed in any way nor did I make him do anything or react in any way. Also, just because he is your PC doesn’t mean he can do anything with impunity, the DA has been preparing ever since he came in. Also, didn’t you state in a previous post that he didn’t have any other weapons? You’re welcome to kill the Denizen, but he definitely would have gotten his cadmium bubble up for long enough to get the cage up. I’m fine editing the interactions, but he has definitely been taken into custody. And to be honest, this is the much nicer approach. We’re in Alleycity, the DA has a stupendous advantage. Running was definitely not going to work here. However, should the mods request I will happily edit or delete the previous post. Edit: @Darth Woodrack I’ve edited the post. You’re welcome to kill the Denizen in the cage with hand to hand, which I believe the Jackal is proficient in, as he is indeed an npc. But the cage is definitely locked around them Edited March 26, 2019 by Fatebreaker 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Woodrack Posted March 26, 2019 Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 Quote Edited it, and he has enhanced speed and reaction time, so that works. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatebreaker Posted March 26, 2019 Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 Quote @Darth Woodrack Ok, I’m fine with you killing the guy, but they still got the cage up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Woodrack Posted March 26, 2019 Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 Quote How fast did that cage go. Matter of a second, couple seconds, a minute. How long are me talking? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatebreaker Posted March 26, 2019 Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 Quote Contact would mean cadmium bubble is up, even if only for an instant. Cage goes up in about 3 seconds. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 Quote The Jackal was under heavy guard, in the middle of the center of the government, had the eyes of a lot of people on him, including several PCs. Running with no actual escape plan, distraction or anything to assist is not likely to be an option even if this cage was retconned. You might want to rethink your strategy here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vargo Seldon Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 Quote Yes there are dozens of PC's strong enough to take the Jackal, and even more NPC's. Of course, Keleth would never be strong enough to attempt combat, but Darkness was last seen here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Woodrack Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 16 hours ago, Voidus said: Quote The Jackal was under heavy guard, in the middle of the center of the government, had the eyes of a lot of people on him, including several PCs. Running with no actual escape plan, distraction or anything to assist is not likely to be an option even if this cage was retconned. You might want to rethink your strategy here. Quote Technically, he hadn't broken any laws, because the senate is completely focused on Hemalurgy, instead of actual laws that would make this action illegal, so he could leave at any time he wished. 12 hours ago, Vargo Seldon said: Quote Yes there are dozens of PC's strong enough to take the Jackal, and even more NPC's. Of course, Keleth would never be strong enough to attempt combat, but Darkness was last seen here. Quote I don't think you entirely understand this. Jackal could at least escape from this, unless someone has a steel compounder. He has, let's see, about fifteen different weaknesses, almost none of which would be triggered in this setting. So, he could fight his way out, and no one could technically stop him, as he had committed no crime, so the Precursors had to let him go, and if anybody else tried to stop him, he would be able to fight his way pa st them. 17 hours ago, Fatebreaker said: Quote Contact would mean cadmium bubble is up, even if only for an instant. Cage goes up in about 3 seconds. Quote So, the cage was out of the cadmium bubble? That was our problem, I thought it was inside. In that case; Jackal's staff flew to him, chopped a hole in the cage, and landed in his hand. He stepped out and ran away to a different thread. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatebreaker Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 (edited) Quote @Darth Woodrack, to clarify the cage is made out of invested metal alloys and contains aonic wards to prevent both exterior and interior damage. In addition, there are DA members surrounding it with many abilities at their disposal. So the cage would still be intact. Also, the DA don’t need laws to apprehend him. They’re doing it as an act of goodwill for the other guilds, who might still want to punish the Jackal for his involvement in the attacks. And if they don’t want him, the DA will have use for him. Edited March 27, 2019 by Fatebreaker 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Woodrack Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 (edited) Quote Umm, no. Jackal is my character. I do not give you permission to kidnap him with NPCs and them hemalurgicly experiment with him. Also, his staff would them kill all the DA people, easily. That is kind of what it is meant for. Along with the fact that the Jackal has enhanced strength, speed, reaction time, and pretty much all physical attributes, he could escape. Also, YOU CANNOT PUT MY CHARACTER IN AN INVINCIBLE CAGE WITH NPCs AND THEN SAY HE CAN'T GET OUT NO MATTER WHAT! I DON'T CARE IF YOU'RE USING DA HANDWAIVIUM, I THOUGHT WE WERE GETTING RID OF THAT! Edited March 27, 2019 by Darth Woodrack 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatebreaker Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 Quote @Darth Woodrack, We haven’t done anything to him yet, there’s no need to be unreasonable here. As for the staff, the DA has some pretty durable and resourceful Denizens, many of whom have healing capabilities. In addition, how is the staff killing them? The Jackal can’t control it with investiture because the cage contains aluminum. It’s a carefully designed containment unit.l for powerful individuals, such as the Jackal. While he does possess many enhancements, the DA deals with enhanced individuals ALL THE TIME. Containment should be the least of your worries. Don’t worry, I don’t plan on killing him, but there are repercussions for actions in this rp. You’ve chosen for your character to engage in some highly hostile behavior against other players and guilds. Just because they are a player character doesn’t mean that they are invincible. We want people on the forum to enjoy themselves, but there are a number of in world reasons why this interaction would not go in the Jackal’s favor. I could have started with a twin born Denizen, or perhaps an unspeakable abomination that would have devoured him in the blink of an eye, but I’ve used restraint. The Jackal is in Alleycity, a place that is right smack in DA territory. You’ve got to RP in creative ways if you want things to go differently. Multiple people have been establishing that there are many Denizens present, so it’s not like they needed to assemble or take time to get there. He mentioned his intent to leave before he ran, giving them ample time to prepare. The cage is by no means invincible, but it would take considerable time and resources to destroy. There is no reason for this to have gone any different, based on how you chose to rp. IRL, I have nothing against you, this isn’t personal in any way. I want everyone to enjoy themselves and be able to contribute to this collaborative RPing experience. But you’ve got to be conscious of others. I’ve gone out of my way to make sure I don’t steamroll over players I don’t agree with, or whose characters take positions that are directly opposed to mine. I understand that we’re all trying to have fun. So let’s try to keep our discussion rational, and if you have a major complaint, I’m happy to discuss it with the mods either publicly or in a DM. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Woodrack Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 Quote He isn't using investiture, ti is epic powered. DA handwavium has been removed, so if you tried to use an 'unspeakable abomination that could devour him in the blink of an eye' I would call in Devaan, and then you would get in trouble. No, he did not announce his intent to leave, he said that he didn't commit a crime, left, and started running as soon as he was out the door. Unless you are using DA handwavium *see above* there is no way you could grab him, because you couldn't know the exact way he was going. Also, before saying that someone can;t escape something, or couldn't do something, READ THEIR CHARACTER PROFILES! This goes to everyone. Jackal smashed his head against the wall of the cage, repeatedly, smashing through it because of his invincible mask, and left. He really left this time, in a random direction, where nobody could possibly predict the direction, ro jump him. Quote He is now off this thread. No one else can alter him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenod Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 (edited) KanMien sighed, and fired a shot over the Jackal's shoulder. "Stay, please," they said, calmly. Quote Also, we established during the Church attack that Investure blocking abilities (aons) can interfere with Epic power. Edited March 27, 2019 by kenod 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatebreaker Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 Quote I would say it is reasonable for them to cover the exits, and you did say that he “walked out the door”, which would provide ample reaction time, with even the most basic coordination efforts. Also, handwavium isn’t required, and I’ve never used it to explain anything the DA has done. Basic Alleymatics can accomplish many things, as long as they are within the realm of the Alleys. In addition, it’s been previously stated that Epic abilities are considered investiture for the purpose of this RP. And I’m fine with the mask being indestructible, but that doesn’t mean you could break though the cage in an instant. Even if he could break the various metal alloys and aonic wards, it would still take time, and in that time the DA and others could surround the cage. In addition, how does he expect to just instantaneously leave the city? He would be on foot, even if he were to get out of the cage and escape the gathered parties that are present. Furthermore, threatening to get me in trouble when I’ve already said I’d be happy to discuss this matter with the mods is pointless. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 Quote 26 minutes ago, Darth Woodrack said: No, he did not announce his intent to leave, he said that he didn't commit a crime, left, and started running as soon as he was out the door. Unless you are using DA handwavium *see above* there is no way you could grab him, because you couldn't know the exact way he was going. Quote He walked out the door, people could just tail him. And indeed did. As I mentioned, many PCs would have been watching him, including one of my own. There's going to need to be more RP than 'He walks away and no one can find him' to escape from government custody whilst in the middle of a bunch of people watching him in the middle of the city. 'He didn't technically break the law because you haven't gotten around to making murder illegal' is not a reason for everyone to simultaneously just shrug and ignore a bunch of murders. The young boy from the DA stopped next to KanMien. He continued staring impassively at the Jackal while flipping a small, sharp spike in one hand. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenod Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 Quote Btw, if you want the Jackal to escape, don't you control the people who have him in custody after his testimony? Just have him give his testimony and afterwards have the Precursors escort him to prison in the Hunt thread, and have his compatriots help him escape during transport. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gancho Libre Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 Quote There are plenty of ways to escape death! If ya need one, consider time loopage. ... There are plenty of ways to escape death! If ya need one, consider time loopage. ... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 Quote Yeah escape is definitely plausible, just maybe not mid-trial while specifically being watched and definitely not by just walking out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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