Dawn of a New Era

[BitBitio he/him]

This post is irrelevant. Consider my vote in favor of a republic.

Edited December 14, 2018 by Ookla

[Furamirionind They/Any/All]

19 minutes ago, Ookla the Paragon said:

HOW DARE YOU!?! That's outright slander. Canada is not a republic. We're a constitutional monarchy, and proud to be one. Her Majesty plays a very important role in our government. Without her assent, no laws could be passed. She also *mumble mumble* face on coins *mumble mumble* statutory holidays. And she appoints Governor Generals, which have the very important role of appointing Lieutenant Governor Generals. Otherwise, former astronauts would go unemployed. France is a republic. USA is a republic. The UK, Canada, Australia* are not. 

*because of some clever vote splitting during the referendum

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In all seriousness, the Queen's representative decides who gets to form government at the federal level. After an election, she gets to choose who gets first dibs on trying to pass a confidence vote, making them the ruling party. This is important when the margin of victory is slim. The LGGs do the same on a provincial level. And though they have never used this power, they can also chose not to approve laws. We like to think that's an important check on the government's power. Just wanted to clear that up.

I like how this conversation is going. Keep up the good work! And I agree with counting by RPer, not character, during votes. 

Umm well... Oops  : /

1 hour ago, Ookla the [REDACTED] said:

I had an idea for a legislature with 2 levels.  It would fit the republic idea, but would help smaller guilds remain involved in the government. One is for the great guilds, the other for the rest. 

In the one for great guilds, each great guild gets one rep. 

In the one for the other guilds, they get some form of proportional representation. 

The thing is, each RPer can only count toward 1 guild, so if you count toward making your guild a great guild, whatever that means, you can’t count toward any other guilds, great or not.

Essentially, every law that either group tries to pass has to make it through both groups, unless the group that started it gets unanimous agreement. 

 

I also also think that normal guilds would need to Be more than one person for them to be allowed in the legislature. 

I think what classifies a great guild/normal guild/and guild allowed in the legislature would need to be tuned OOC after a couple tests, but I like this idea. It still puts most of the power behind the great guilds as they get their own section, but still grant pretty significant power to the minor guilds.
Perhaps the great guilds could even have 2 reps, one for each branch while the minor ones only get to be in one branch.  This may be too much power to the major guilds though. I need to diagram this... : )

1 hour ago, Dr. Dapper said:

Senate and house, basicly. 

I really like this idea, and I think it could work, it just needs to be fleshed out. We need:

- A way for laws to be introduced.

- Agreements on what makes a Great Guild

- A way to break ties 

My ideas

- A guild needs to be approved by the people to enter the government.

- Each assembly should have certain responsibilties (Defence, justice, ect.)

- Some stuff (Important regulations) would need to put to a vote by the people. 

 

(I love lists)

 

(I love lists too : )  )

I would LOVE for us to develop a bunch of special roles, rules, and commitees... However I am just a bit concerned there aren't enough active players to do all this. I hear there are 28 active at the moment? but most of them are probably spaced between the great guilds...

 

[MetaTerminal he/him]

Most active members aren’t involved in guilds currently. I’d love to see that start to change. With more people involved, we could start to see guilds take more prominence. (I definitely don’t want to make guild membership mandatory, but encouraging it would be excellent.) If there were 5+ active members in each great guild, then we could start to see more roles among them.

25 minutes ago, Ookla said:

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There are many subjects that I don’t want to go remotely near, and this is one of them. 

Edited December 14, 2018 by Ookla the Cited

[BitBitio he/him]

1 minute ago, Ookla the Cited said:

Most active members aren’t involved in guilds currently. I’d love to see that start to change. With more people involved, we could start to see guilds take more prominence. (I definitely don’t want to make guild membership mandatory, but encouraging it would be excellent.) If there were 5+ active members in each great guild, then we could start to see more roles among them.

There are many subjects that I don’t want to go remotely near, and this is one of them. 

Gotcha. I'm getting rid of it ASAP.

Sorry if I offended you, @Ookla the Cited.

Edited December 14, 2018 by Ookla

[MetaTerminal he/him]

No issue. It’s not something that’s ever affected me or anyone I know, but it is the sort of thing that could cause problems.

[Vargo Seldon he/him]

20 hours ago, Ookla the Cited said:

Diagramists

Truly I thank you for supporting our noble cause.  The Diagramists will rise and with us bing forth a new era in the Alleyverse.  

So, this all looks great guys but *interjects some clever opinion* so yeah, you figure it out and *sits back and waits*.

In all seriousness, I like the idea of a republic even though I voted for a Mraizearchy.  And I also like the idea of each great guild getting one vote.  There should definitely be one main leader, and he should win by at least a 2/3 majority.  Also, that new leader should sever all ties to previous guild affiliation, and rule in an unbiased way (like that's gonna happen).  It's a nice ideal though.

[BitBitio he/him]

1 minute ago, Ookla the Cited said:

No issue. It’s not something that’s ever affected me or anyone I know, but it is the sort of thing that could cause problems.

*thumbs up emoji*

[Furamirionind They/Any/All]

4 minutes ago, King Taravangian said:

So, this all looks great guys but *interjects some clever opinion* so yeah, you figure it out and *sits back and waits*.

 

You are a genius... I wish I thought of that.

[Vargo Seldon he/him]

I know.  Nonintervention... lets see if I can pull it up... "Leave that place and join me in my oath of nonintervention."

[Darth Woodrack he/him]

On laws, The Citadel will have a code of laws soon, so then the rest of the Alleyverse can follow our lead, with slight modifications, such as removing anti assanination laws for City of Oasis, and removing anti hemalurgy without permission for Alleycity.

[Archer he/him]

4 minutes ago, King Taravangian said:

Also, that new leader should sever all ties to previous guild affiliation, and rule in an unbiased way

We've tried that before. Someone volunteered to be an Unbiased One and ensure our future government would be fair and honest. 

For reference, here's the thread we executed him in.

[Darth Woodrack he/him]

Ohh.... Would it help that we're the unbiased three?

[Vargo Seldon he/him]

Okay...  So I assume he wasn't as unbiased as he should have been.  Well, we should have impeachment protocols as well.

[Furamirionind They/Any/All]

Just now, Ookla the Paragon said:

We've tried that before. Someone volunteered to be an Unbiased One and ensure our future government would be fair and honest. 

For reference, here's the thread we executed him in.

I volunteer to sever all ties and be a benevolent dictator monarch. Philosophers agree that a benevolent dictator Monarch is the best system for government. : )

[MetaTerminal he/him]

The previous Mediator betrayal was a long and complex tale involving at least three factions and a lot of double-crossing. (Seriously, era one was complicated.)

Edited December 14, 2018 by Ookla the Cited

[Darth Woodrack he/him]

Is everyone ignoring me? Just wondering. If you forgot, the Precursors exist solely to address these issues. They enforce the laws, and are their to help with any insurgencies.

[Furamirionind They/Any/All]

Just now, Darth Woodrack said:

Is everyone ignoring me? Just wondering. If you forgot, the Precursors exist solely to address these issues. They enforce the laws, and are their to help with any insurgencies.

I don't think anyone is ignoring you, but I don't expect the Precursors to be the government, as that would be an opportunity for RP squandered.  They would either be a subset of it or be contracted by it.  Therefore to truly address your guild, we must first understand what the government is.

Remember that Law enforcers are useless if we don't have laws, and you NEVER entrust law enforcers to make laws as it would be a conflict of interest. (this is not a thing about law enforcers, just pointing out it would be a conflict of interest)  That's why I suggested we limit that guild to permanently be a minor one.

[Darth Woodrack he/him]

Law enforcement agency. Like the FBI/U.S. Martials combined.

Well, I am making laws for my city. I also happen to run the people who would be enforcing these laws, but Ax is their to counter balance me.

5 minutes ago, Furamirionind said:

That's why I suggested we limit that guild to permanently be a minor one.

I'm not sure if your saying that they should always be on the side, or if your saying that they can never be a great guild. If it is the latter, I agree. If it is the prior, your dead to me.Kidding. Ish.

[Furamirionind They/Any/All]

5 minutes ago, Darth Woodrack said:

Law enforcement agency. Like the FBI/U.S. Martials combined.

Well, I am making laws for my city. I also happen to run the people who would be enforcing these laws, but Ax is their to counter balance me.

I'm not sure if your saying that they should always be on the side, or if your saying that they can never be a great guild. If it is the latter, I agree. If it is the prior, your dead to me.Kidding. Ish.

I was suggesting not allowing it to become a great guild, not that it should be on the side... anyway, I think that would be really rude of me to say particularly in a FFRP. So I am still not dead to you, right? : )

I don't think anyone has an issue with you making rules for your own city, I just think most people are focusing primarily on what the gov is going to look/work like.  Partially because it is a new/cool/fun thing to play with. : )

[MetaTerminal he/him]

The problem with having a police force controlled by one person that is also able to make laws is... problematic. I’d be happy to see them as enforcement (that would actually be really cool), but only if they weren’t allowed to make legal judgements. Someone else has to declare a person as breaking the law in order for the Precursors to take action against them. I’d also imagine that the lawbreakers would be fairly powerful, meaning that it would be difficult for them to be caught.

[Furamirionind They/Any/All]

2 minutes ago, Ookla the Cited said:

The problem with having a police force controlled by one person that is also able to make laws is... problematic. I’d be happy to see them as enforcement (that would actually be really cool), but only if they weren’t allowed to make legal judgements. Someone else has to declare a person as breaking the law in order for the Precursors to take action against them. I’d also imagine that the lawbreakers would be fairly powerful, meaning that it would be difficult for them to be caught.

Oh, yeah. I stated in an earlier post that if the Precursors were to work with the Gov, it should be expected that the Gov would have some restrictions on them to make sure they didn't make the wrong judgements (according to what the Gov considers wrong). I still stand by that idea.

Edited December 14, 2018 by Furamirionind

[Lord Meeker he/him]

The Mraizeachry was a joke until it got so many votes. I feel that it should be at least considered if it wins  (Mainly for Gancho Libre to vote for)

[Darth Woodrack he/him]

They will move against someone if they are declared an outlaw, or a member of the Precursors sees them breaking the law, and then they bring them to court where they can plead their case.

[Lord Meeker he/him]

ATTENTION. Questions will be reset Wednesday of next week. BE SURE TO VOTE!

[Karnatheon he/him]

Is Mraizearchy was intended as a joke, shouldn't it be discounted as an option? I feel like most people won't want it to be in place, even though a surprising number voted for it, and it's just taking votes away from the places people would really vote for if it hadn't been included. I don't think one person being explicitly in control of everything would work out well, especially given that person is a RPer not a character.