The Chat Thread

[+Invocation]

33 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

Yes, and I get to kill people!

The best part of any plot.

[Fatebreaker he/him]

2 hours ago, Darth Woodrack said:

Okay, Fate, I greatly respect you and I think you very intelligent, as shown by by full blown support of your new plot, but your wrong. Yes, that’s how the Alleyverse started, and it is a very large part of it, but the Alleyverse has changed into this beautiful chaotic mess that we all love. It’s no longer just people you wouldn’t want to meet in a dark alley, it’s the Alleyverse, with warrior bakers protecting the innocent, to megalomaniac assassins secretly trying to conquer the world. While your argument does hold wait in this is a primarily Sanderson rp, I feel like The Black Crusade has lasted long enough, and integrated well enough, without causing any real problems for anyone, at least not that I could see, that it should remain.

Also, I made a comparison chart, that it doesn’t seem like anyone read, so I feel like people can understand that, as long as they are familiar with the things in the plot. 

I mean, when I first joined I was like, ‘Oh, why is WH40K in this rp,’ and then Ark explained it to me and I was like, ‘Oh, that’s cool,’ and then spent a large portion of my Alleyverse career trying to get in, even though Grey was inactive. It’s cool, it has a large stake in the mythos, and, at least from my perspective, it’s not really causing any problems. Yes, it didn’t really fit at first, but over the years, it’s carved it’s place into the world and would be missed if it was gone.

I’m not saying the DA is be all end all, I’m saying they are the originators of the setting and much more integral overall than the 40k material. While I’m not saying we do this, you could theoretically remove all 40k content and the majority of the world would be the same, or even re-skin it to fit without the core concepts being changed. Conversely, removing or re-skinning the DA would be much more difficult as they have been the cornerstone upon which the setting is built and their motif and MO have been crucial in developing the RP. I’m not trying to be combative and I want everyone to enjoy themselves, but I think that it is fair to point out the incongruity of the 40k content in a Sanderson based rp. This is not a comment on any players, but more so to the fact that all of the intricate lore and background inherent in something as large as 40k is hard to rationalize in this universe. I know it would be a lot of work, but my personal opinion is that if we re-skin it to make it actually shardplate (for example) and not an analogue then it would mesh much better with the rest of the setting.

On a separate note, my ideas for the Stranger plot in era 4 is that it will be mostly asides, similar to the interludes in the Stormlight Archive. Logically, it would be hard for other characters to interact with him in the Alleys, excluding other Denizens. I do want a few purposed character interactions, which I would DM people about ahead of time. Whenever the main plot is decided, I would appreciate it if the player(s) running it would give me a general layout of the plot so I can pace my viewpoints accordingly.

Edited August 20, 2019 by Fatebreaker

[Sherlock Holmes he/him]

4 hours ago, Invocation said:

The best part of any plot.

Agreed.

[kenod]

Re: WH40K stuff

I think one of the issues people might have with understanding it might be in that WH40K stuff (and other sci-fi to some extent) is that it is normally much more powerful than Sanderson stuff. My knowledge of it is somewhat limited (though that probably illustrates my point), but from what I understand Warhammer power armor should be way more powerful than shardplate, while Space Marines are way stronger and faster than Pewter burners. At the same time weapons like Bolters and plasma weapons should easily kill even people wearing Shardplate in a single shot.

I am aware this is not the case in the RP, but this might not be initially clear to people who are used to WH40K. 

Edited August 20, 2019 by kenod

[MacThorstenson he/him]

2 things that I wanted to comment on.

1. Does the first bullet for the first question in the current poll include to all of brandon's books that he's had a hand in writing? like things that he's not the main author in?

2. Another idea for the next era is instead of having a main plot we could have a lot of different side plots with one big final event leading up to the world being changed. I feel like this would allow people to only be involved in things that they feel like they would want to, instead of a big main plot that you might not want to participate in.

If there is a main plot, a lot of people can feel pressure to include their characters even if they don't want to participate, but if instead we let there be a bunch of smaller plots then people would be able to pick and choose where they wanted to involve themselves.

[+ZincAboutIt she/her]

14 minutes ago, MacThorstenson said:

Another idea for the next era is instead of having a main plot we could have a lot of different side plots with one big final event leading up to the world being changed. I feel like this would allow people to only be involved in things that they feel like they would want to, instead of a big main plot that you might not want to participate in.

If there is a main plot, a lot of people can feel pressure to include their characters even if they don't want to participate, but if instead we let there be a bunch of smaller plots then people would be able to pick and choose where they wanted to involve themselves.

I think this is an awesome idea, my suggestion can definitely be run as a larger side plot option and would almost actually be better as one of a few large-ish side plots. Also a bit less pressure on anyone doing the writing! You're not solely responsible for the majority of plot movement in the RP.

[I think I am here. he/him]

I agree, maybe multiple on-going plots converging to the changing of the world is a better alternative to having one massive main plot.

[+Invocation]

Yeah that sounds like a good idea.

[Darth Woodrack he/him]

2 hours ago, MacThorstenson said:

Another idea for the next era is instead of having a main plot we could have a lot of different side plots with one big final event leading up to the world being changed. I feel like this would allow people to only be involved in things that they feel like they would want to, instead of a big main plot that you might not want to participate in.

If there is a main plot, a lot of people can feel pressure to include their characters even if they don't want to participate, but if instead we let there be a bunch of smaller plots then people would be able to pick and choose where they wanted to involve themselves.

Huh. I never thought I’d say this, but I agree with Mac.

[+Ark1002]

 

5 hours ago, MacThorstenson said:

2 things that I wanted to comment on.

1. Does the first bullet for the first question in the current poll include to all of brandon's books that he's had a hand in writing? like things that he's not the main author in?

2. Another idea for the next era is instead of having a main plot we could have a lot of different side plots with one big final event leading up to the world being changed. I feel like this would allow people to only be involved in things that they feel like they would want to, instead of a big main plot that you might not want to participate in.

If there is a main plot, a lot of people can feel pressure to include their characters even if they don't want to participate, but if instead we let there be a bunch of smaller plots then people would be able to pick and choose where they wanted to involve themselves.

That is what I'm thinking too. I'm going to have at least one location plot going next era, might have a side plot, and am definitely participating in the GB plot. I also have five characters, so we'll see what else I do.

I just want to take a step back from main plots. We've milked it for all it's worth, and I feel like we should step back lest we ruin a good thing.

[+Sorana she/her]

I like the idea of several smaller plots as well. We've got enough ideas as it is.

[Darth Woodrack he/him]

I do feel like there should be certain, ‘event,’ plots that either have a series Igbo different plots in the same thread, or are several different threads containing different, temporary plots. This is just so someone new to the Alleyverse has an easy place to join, and doesn’t have to, for instance, have their steel compounder run into a party and punch a god entity in the face.

I have actually had something like that bouncing around in my head for a while which was, “What Dusk did wrong this week,” Which is a series of generally week long fun mini plots where one of Dusk’s experiments goes horribly wrong and then some people have to clean it up. One, do you think this is a good idea, and two would anyone participate on a regular basis?

[+ZincAboutIt she/her]

If we are going this "several smaller plot" route (which I wholly support), will the plots still be voted on or is it more a matter of gaining enough interest from the general community and then setting off?

[Darth Woodrack he/him]

I think that one. 

I do have a side question, what does, “Brandon’s published and non-anthology” books mean? What’s the difference between it and “All Brandon’s books?”

[kenod]

2 minutes ago, Darth Woodrack said:

I think that one. 

I do have a side question, what does, “Brandon’s published and non-anthology” books mean? What’s the difference between it and “All Brandon’s books?”

A few of his stories only appeared in anthologies, like how Dreamer only appeared in Games Creatures Play. So the idea is that with that option those stories from anthologies don't count. Also, you can interpret "All Brandon's Books" to mean that it also include unpublished works like Dragonsteel and Aether of Night.

[Darth Woodrack he/him]

All right. Thanks Kenod.

[AonEne he/him]

17 hours ago, ZincAboutIt said:

If we are going this "several smaller plot" route (which I wholly support), will the plots still be voted on or is it more a matter of gaining enough interest from the general community and then setting off?

The second, I believe, but I could be wrong there.

I'm all for Mac's idea of a bunch of small plots leading up to the climax, that sounds cool to me. It also is a good idea thematically - slowing down a bit and doing smaller stuff right before the big world-changing plot just feels right. Zinc's could be one, Po's/mine could be one, the GB takeover could be one, tons of character stuff or other miniplots (like Darth's idea, if I'm reading that right) could be going on at the same time.

It was brought up that Invo's plot idea could work well integrated with Fate's (people call you that, right? Or is it just me).

@Sorana and the other GB plot people, is there a chance I could join the new group fighting the Ghostbloods? RP a character in that until they're defeated? And I'd like to plan with you.

[+ZincAboutIt she/her]

3 minutes ago, AonEne said:

It was brought up that Invo's plot idea could work well integrated with Fate's (people call you that, right? Or is it just me).

I’m planning on looping some of Invo’s plot ideas (aka world fragmenting) into my plot as a side effect of what the Stranger is doing over the course of the Era leading up to the re-spiking.

[Fatebreaker he/him]

21 minutes ago, AonEne said:

 

It was brought up that Invo's plot idea could work well integrated with Fate's (people call you that, right? Or is it just me).

Well, at work I’m Mr Breaker, but you are welcome to call me Fate.

[+Sorana she/her]

5 hours ago, AonEne said:

@Sorana and the other GB plot people, is there a chance I could join the new group fighting the Ghostbloods? RP a character in that until they're defeated? And I'd like to plan with you.

Of course! I'll add you tothe pm. That's a cool idea!

[+Ark1002]

8 hours ago, AonEne said:

The second, I believe, but I could be wrong there.

I'm all for Mac's idea of a bunch of small plots leading up to the climax, that sounds cool to me. It also is a good idea thematically - slowing down a bit and doing smaller stuff right before the big world-changing plot just feels right. Zinc's could be one, Po's/mine could be one, the GB takeover could be one, tons of character stuff or other miniplots (like Darth's idea, if I'm reading that right) could be going on at the same time.

It was brought up that Invo's plot idea could work well integrated with Fate's (people call you that, right? Or is it just me).

@Sorana and the other GB plot people, is there a chance I could join the new group fighting the Ghostbloods? RP a character in that until they're defeated? And I'd like to plan with you.

But also your gonna have to rp GBWHIPS

[AonEne he/him]

20 hours ago, Sorana said:

Of course! I'll add you tothe pm. That's a cool idea!

Thanks!

17 hours ago, RayOfSunshine said:

But also your gonna have to rp GBWHIPS

That was Deteca, dude

[+Ark1002]

2 minutes ago, AonEne said:

Thanks!

That was Deteca, dude

Hmm

Didn't realize. We'll have to update a list then.

[AonEne he/him]

10 minutes ago, RayOfSunshine said:

We'll have to update a list then.

List of spies, adding her? Or of GB leaders, taking her off?

[+ZincAboutIt she/her]

Hello! I've assembled a PM for those interested in participating in the Under City Exploration plot. If you're interested and haven't received a PM, just let me know! I'll loop you in.