The Alleys and The Architect

[Leyrann]

1 hour ago, LopenTheTwoArmedHerdazian said:

An art cannot be inherently evil. Its users are those who can be good or evil.

That is like saying murder is not inherently evil.

[kenod]

10 minutes ago, Leyrann said:

That is like saying murder is not inherently evil.

If someone is suffering, and the only way to help them is to kill them, is it still evil?

P.S.
True, most Hemalurgists are still evil, but you do have things such as Spook's plan where dying metalborn get themself spiked to pass on their powers.

[+ElephantEarwax he/him]

I forgot about that. Respect for Spook.

[Leyrann]

49 minutes ago, kenod said:

If someone is suffering, and the only way to help them is to kill them, is it still evil?

There will always be an area where people disagree. Something alike certainly exists with hemalurgy. From what I have seen, however, the Dark Alley does not even consider this line to exist, instead spiking unwilling newcomers for powers.

[+ElephantEarwax he/him]

21 minutes ago, Leyrann said:

There will always be an area where people disagree. Something alike certainly exists with hemalurgy. From what I have seen, however, the Dark Alley does not even consider this line to exist, instead spiking unwilling newcomers for powers.

Occasionally, most of the spikes aren't invested.

[Leyrann]

1 minute ago, ElephantEarwax said:

Occasionally, most of the spikes aren't invested.

So you just randomly stab them with metal spikes that don't do anything?

Or are you being pedantic and interpreting what I said as giving them powers, instead of taking their powers for yourself?

[+ElephantEarwax he/him]

36 minutes ago, Leyrann said:

So you just randomly stab them with metal spikes that don't do anything?

Or are you being pedantic and interpreting what I said as giving them powers, instead of taking their powers for yourself?

All of the above. They all are accurate.

[Leyrann]

2 minutes ago, ElephantEarwax said:

All of the above. They all are accurate.

Well, I'm going to say it is generally accepted to call randomly stabbing people for no reason other than stabbing them evil.

[The Forgetful Archivist he/him]

Just now, Leyrann said:

Well, I'm going to say it is generally accepted to call randomly stabbing people for no reason other than stabbing them evil.

Who says this? Are tattoo artists evil.

[Leyrann]

3 minutes ago, The Forgetful Archivist said:

Who says this? Are tattoo artists evil.

"for no reason other than stabbing them"

[+ElephantEarwax he/him]

So, if I pay someone to stab someone they are not evil, because they had money as a motive?

[The Forgetful Archivist he/him]

2 minutes ago, Leyrann said:

"for no reason other than stabbing them"

dentists are always stabbing me in the gums for no reason and they aren't... wait you may have a point,

[Leyrann]

1 minute ago, ElephantEarwax said:

So, if I pay someone to stab someone they are not evil, because they had money as a motive?

You are evil for getting someone stabbed for no reason at all (no reason for you).

The person doing the stabbing can be considered evil because he is willing to do evil things for personal gain.

[The Forgetful Archivist he/him]

1 minute ago, Leyrann said:

You are evil for getting someone stabbed for no reason at all (no reason for you).

The person doing the stabbing can be considered evil because he is willing to do evil things for personal gain.

What if your doing the stabbing for altruistic purposes?

[Leyrann]

1 minute ago, The Forgetful Archivist said:

What if your doing the stabbing for altruistic purposes?

 

1 hour ago, Leyrann said:

There will always be an area where people disagree. Something alike certainly exists with hemalurgy. From what I have seen, however, the Dark Alley does not even consider this line to exist, instead spiking unwilling newcomers for powers.

 

[Kidpen he/him]

This is seriously hilarious.

[+ElephantEarwax he/him]

But, in giving people a cookie with spikes they are stabbing themselves, so they are the evil ones. Not the DA.

[Gancho Libre he/him]

It depends on the situation

A soldier isn't evil if he stabs someone, for example.

Granted, if the person he stabs is Invested, he will become a hemalurguic practitioner (as in, he practices hemalurgy), but that's not his fault.

[+ElephantEarwax he/him]

Kinda like Spook and his pewter.

[Gancho Libre he/him]

well, that soldier was evil, but not because of hemalurgy, because of Ruin's influence.

[Leyrann]

7 minutes ago, ElephantEarwax said:

But, in giving people a cookie with spikes they are stabbing themselves, so they are the evil ones. Not the DA.

They are being unwittingly coerced into stabbing themselves by a knowing instigator, the DA.

Therefore, the DA can be considered responsible.

[Voidus]

6 hours ago, Leyrann said:

They are being unwittingly coerced into stabbing themselves by a knowing instigator, the DA.

Therefore, the DA can be considered responsible.

For what? Handing out free magic? The souls of most newcomers don't contain much Investiture that would be useful to us so we don't typically harvest anything from them.

[Lord Meeker he/him]

Uh guys? You got @Voidus involved! Y'all be screwed. Later.... 

[Archer he/him]

5 minutes ago, Mraize said:

Y'all be screwed. 

You mean spiked.

[Lord Meeker he/him]

Just now, Archer said:

You mean spiked.

No what I meant is that you be spiked with the ALMIGHTY STICK of hemalurgy.