little wilson she/her Posted April 20, 2018 Posted April 20, 2018 38 minutes ago, Drake Marshall said: You don't like my playstyle? Kind of rude That's not at all what I said, but thank you for twisting my words. What I said was that you've been quiet and not doing much, which is different from how you usually play. Do I think it's an elim tell? No, because you've never done it in the past as an elim. But I think here, you're an elim with not much time, which is why you only contribute to the thread and give passable village defenses when you're accused. I don't expect people to forget AG3 if they played it, but at least get your comparisons right if you're going to call up that game. The Wounded Gazelle in AG3 happened at game start, and was, as is the point of any WGG, to get me somewhat trusted by the village right from the get-go. Here though, I'm village read by most players. A WGG on me is at best useless and at worst counter-productive. Also Pyro, this is an easy about-face for Drake to call up regardless of his alignment. He could be telling the truth. He could just as easily be lying because what else can he say? The fact that he's not contesting the priest means that he knows the priest scanned him correctly. Literally the only thing he can do is explain how the scan would show up as Jeskeri and why he wouldn't have told Len he had a pendant. I mean, if you have a pendant but you don't want to use it on the player because you don't believe the story, you could just....I don't know....say that? Crazy, I know. Honesty in SE? It's truly a novel idea. Drake didn't have much in the way of options once Len outed him, and delaying will only cost us the life of another villager tonight (most likely me). He's the best lead we have and I do not believe his story.
Elenion he/him Posted April 20, 2018 Posted April 20, 2018 I agree with Wilson: 1. Drake told me he didn't have a Pendant. 2. Drake scanned as Jeskeri. There are two things that could have happened, since lying scanner is basically impossible since Drake didn't contest the scan: Jeskeri!Drake and lying!Drake. If Drake was lying!Drake, he would say that, and if he was Jeskeri!Drake he would claim lying!Drake. I've heard players make crazier claims to delay their deaths by a cycle. In this case, there was nothing that would have given Drake the incentive to lie. Both the village and the Jeskeri would have liked to see the Gyorn killed, so defending a factionmate is out. A pendant isn't a vital item to this game, so Drake thinking that I was info-fishing and then lying is also unlikely, particularly given the tone of the rest of his post.
DrakeMarshall he/him Posted April 21, 2018 Posted April 21, 2018 1 hour ago, little wilson said: That's not at all what I said, but thank you for twisting my words. I’m not going to feel very bad about that unless you want to claim you didn’t slant your accusation. 1 hour ago, little wilson said: A WGG on me is at best useless and at worst counter-productive. Are you implying that you are so trusted that there is nothing that would possibly make you more trusted? 1 hour ago, little wilson said: I mean, if you have a pendant but you don't want to use it on the player because you don't believe the story, you could just....I don't know....say that? Crazy, I know. Honesty in SE? It's truly a novel idea. With that level of sass, I guess honesty in SE is a novelty 1 hour ago, little wilson said: Also Pyro, this is an easy about-face for Drake to call up regardless of his alignment. He could be telling the truth. He could just as easily be lying because what else can he say? Dead on target. If I were good or evil, I’d probably say this either way. But I am actually good, and I can prove it, and it costs you very little to do so: Quote delaying will only cost us the life of another villager tonight (most likely me). Unless you know something that I do not, this is false. Even if I were evil, killing me wouldn’t prevent somebody else from making a kill tonight, and I kind of doubt there’d be only two elims. I can respect a reluctance to change your mind, but I am willing and able to prove this, and in light of that fact killing me without giving me the chance would be kind of silly. Give me the opportunity and I swear I can prove my alignment.
little wilson she/her Posted April 21, 2018 Posted April 21, 2018 I'll admit that your level of apparent certainty makes me doubt, but there's this little voice in the back of my mind saying "Drake is definitely a competent enough player to use these certain statements intentionally to get you to back off because he knows most villagers would think that an eliminator wouldn't do this. Don't fall for it." And....my gut and my head are telling me to trust that voice, even if my heart is saying "but what if Drake is telling the truth?!" And it's funny because even if I want to listen to my heart, I know I'd feel far more the fool if I backed off and ended up being right about you than if I don't back off and end up being wrong. And while I don't think I'll change my mind, I am fairly torn about this decision. So thanks. >>
DrakeMarshall he/him Posted April 21, 2018 Posted April 21, 2018 (edited) 48 minutes ago, little wilson said: I'll admit that your level of apparent certainty makes me doubt, but there's this little voice in the back of my mind saying "Drake is definitely a competent enough player to use these certain statements intentionally to get you to back off because he knows most villagers would think that an eliminator wouldn't do this. Don't fall for it." And....my gut and my head are telling me to trust that voice, even if my heart is saying "but what if Drake is telling the truth?!" And it's funny because even if I want to listen to my heart, I know I'd feel far more the fool if I backed off and ended up being right about you than if I don't back off and end up being wrong. And while I don't think I'll change my mind, I am fairly torn about this decision. So thanks. >> I’m not sure I agree with your risk/reward assessment, but I guess I’m flattered nonetheless? EDIT: To clarify, while you are probably right that it would be more embarassing to spare me if I were an elim... In terms of actual gain or loss to the village, a mislynch is very probably a steeper price to pay than putting off an elim’s death by one cyce. Edited April 21, 2018 by Drake Marshall
TheMightyLopen he/him Posted April 21, 2018 Posted April 21, 2018 Drake, how exactly can you prove your alignment?
DrakeMarshall he/him Posted April 21, 2018 Posted April 21, 2018 1 hour ago, TheMightyLopen said: Drake, how exactly can you prove your alignment? I was scanned as Jeskeri. I can prove I have a pendant by passing it or using it tonight, thus accounting for the scan. I guess theoretically I could be a Jeskeri with a Jeskeri pendant, but this is pretty unlikely for balancd reasons, and anyhow after passing the pendant it will be possible to accurately scan me.
TheMightyLopen he/him Posted April 21, 2018 Posted April 21, 2018 23 minutes ago, Drake Marshall said: I was scanned as Jeskeri. I can prove I have a pendant by passing it or using it tonight, thus accounting for the scan. I guess theoretically I could be a Jeskeri with a Jeskeri pendant, but this is pretty unlikely for balancd reasons, and anyhow after passing the pendant it will be possible to accurately scan me. Yeah, see, I kinda feel like that's exactly what's going on here. You're a Jeskeri with a Jeskeri Pendant(or one of your teammates has one). You thought you'd hang on to it in case one of you or your teammates who could get scanned as Jeskeri gets scanned, so you could then say exactly what you're saying now. "I can prove I have a Jeskeri Pendant, so your scan means nothing!" Then you either use the Pendant to kill a villager or pass it to someone and make us use another scan on you, thereby using up 2 village scans and making us look elsewhere while we wait for the scanner. I feel similar to Wilson in that your certainty about proving yourself seems genuine, but I think it's just because you've got a Jeskeri Pendant rather than you being village. This would account for you lying about having a Pendant or not, because you might use it later to kill an important villager, so you wanted to have anonymity. So for me, the scan on you isn't the biggest point against you. It's you having lied about whether or not you have a Pendant when there's more reason to tell the truth(in my opinion at least). And personally, I don't see a problem with giving the Jeskeri a Jeskeri Pendant? It's only 1 extra kill, and also has the extra use of being used in the scenario I gave. Since it looks like we've got 2 village Priests, that means there was a good chance at least one of your team would get scanned, so I can totally see Hero giving the Jeskeri a Jeskeri Pendant. If everyone changes their mind and wants to wait to lynch you, I would suggest you use the Pendant rather than pass it off, since it happens before scans and passing happens after. We could ask the Jindo to protect whoever we want you to target so if they're village they'll survive the attack, and then ask the Priest to scan you, giving us 2 scans in one. Hrm. Should check with Hero on this, since I'm actually not sure if the Jindo thing would work. Hero, if a Jeskeri Pendant is used on a villager but that villager is protected by a Jindo, will it show up in the write-up as an attack and protect on the specific player? Like, "Bob (Steeldancer) was attacked but was protected by a Jindo Warrior!" I'm just wanting to make sure the player name shows up.
DrakeMarshall he/him Posted April 21, 2018 Posted April 21, 2018 54 minutes ago, TheMightyLopen said: Yeah, see, I kinda feel like that's exactly what's going on here. You're a Jeskeri with a Jeskeri Pendant(or one of your teammates has one). You thought you'd hang on to it in case one of you or your teammates who could get scanned as Jeskeri gets scanned, so you could then say exactly what you're saying now. "I can prove I have a Jeskeri Pendant, so your scan means nothing!" Then you either use the Pendant to kill a villager or pass it to someone and make us use another scan on you, thereby using up 2 village scans and making us look elsewhere while we wait for the scanner. I feel similar to Wilson in that your certainty about proving yourself seems genuine, but I think it's just because you've got a Jeskeri Pendant rather than you being village. This would account for you lying about having a Pendant or not, because you might use it later to kill an important villager, so you wanted to have anonymity. So for me, the scan on you isn't the biggest point against you. It's you having lied about whether or not you have a Pendant when there's more reason to tell the truth(in my opinion at least). And personally, I don't see a problem with giving the Jeskeri a Jeskeri Pendant? It's only 1 extra kill, and also has the extra use of being used in the scenario I gave. Since it looks like we've got 2 village Priests, that means there was a good chance at least one of your team would get scanned, so I can totally see Hero giving the Jeskeri a Jeskeri Pendant. If everyone changes their mind and wants to wait to lynch you, I would suggest you use the Pendant rather than pass it off, since it happens before scans and passing happens after. We could ask the Jindo to protect whoever we want you to target so if they're village they'll survive the attack, and then ask the Priest to scan you, giving us 2 scans in one. Hrm. Should check with Hero on this, since I'm actually not sure if the Jindo thing would work. Hero, if a Jeskeri Pendant is used on a villager but that villager is protected by a Jindo, will it show up in the write-up as an attack and protect on the specific player? Like, "Bob (Steeldancer) was attacked but was protected by a Jindo Warrior!" I'm just wanting to make sure the player name shows up. The balance issue with giving elims a Jeskeri pendant is that the JinDo’s ability already has a cooldown, and the ability to double tap on top of that would be kind of redundant. No only that, but if just one cultist had a Jeskeri pendant, than every single cultist could claim to have that pendant if they were the first to be scanned, which imo would be overpowered. Also if I were a cultist who also had a Jeskeri pendant, I definitely would have used it to double tap Aman the night he claimed priest. Also, if you do believe I have a pendant, than on what basis do you find me evil, since you haven’t cited reasons beyond the scan this cycle? I can totally understand if you are wary of me for not telling Len about my pendant, but this isn’t that. I demand that you rationalize my mislynch using sound reasoning, thank you very much Goodnight.
Elenion he/him Posted April 21, 2018 Posted April 21, 2018 15 minutes ago, Drake Marshall said: The balance issue with giving elims a Jeskeri pendant is that the JinDo’s ability already has a cooldown, and the ability to double tap on top of that would be kind of redundant. No only that, but if just one cultist had a Jeskeri pendant, than every single cultist could claim to have that pendant if they were the first to be scanned, which imo would be overpowered. There could be 2 Jindos. A Jeskeri Pendant with the Jeskeri would be a way to balance that out, because it's a one-time double-tap that they could use to drop a Jindo even if they were in a protection agreement with the other. 17 minutes ago, Drake Marshall said: Also, if you do believe I have a pendant, than on what basis do you find me evil, since you haven’t cited reasons beyond the scan this cycle? I think he was saying to a village!Drake would have had better reason to tell me about a Pendant than lie about it.
TheMightyLopen he/him Posted April 21, 2018 Posted April 21, 2018 19 minutes ago, Drake Marshall said: The balance issue with giving elims a Jeskeri pendant is that the JinDo’s ability already has a cooldown, and the ability to double tap on top of that would be kind of redundant. No only that, but if just one cultist had a Jeskeri pendant, than every single cultist could claim to have that pendant if they were the first to be scanned, which imo would be overpowered. Also if I were a cultist who also had a Jeskeri pendant, I definitely would have used it to double tap Aman the night he claimed priest. Also, if you do believe I have a pendant, than on what basis do you find me evil, since you haven’t cited reasons beyond the scan this cycle? I can totally understand if you are wary of me for not telling Len about my pendant, but this isn’t that. I demand that you rationalize my mislynch using sound reasoning, thank you very much Goodnight. One single double-tap. And yes, that's true, but it seems likely that there are 2 village Priests. Feels like a fair counter-balance to me. Didn't think about that if I'm being honest. But as was already stated, I think the Cultists have some really good protection from scans, so it's not like double tapping is super necessary at that point(that and Aman dies early all the time, so maybe you'd have wanted to give him an extra Cycle?). I'm a little confused because I literally just said you lying about having a Pendant is why I think it's worth lynching you, and not the scan? Plus all of that other stuff I posted during the Night about why I was suspicious of you? Pretty much the only reason I backed off of you was because you seemed willing to be killed during the Night, but I also said that thinking over that, I was the only one to speak out against you so saying you were fine with dying was a little drastic. So, here are my reasons. 1. Throughout the game, I couldn't get a good read on you, which is a red flag to me because it signals you're not doing anything big that would draw attention to you either way. 2. You lied about having a Pendant. 3. All of the reasons I pointed out the other Night. I know you responded to them, but especially the part about me not voting on Araris being suspicious does not make sense to me. 4. You said you were somewhat fine with being pendanted after a single player accused you, which seems more like an eliminator making a show of innocence rather than a villager who feels backed into a corner. Maybe I'm wrong about you. It's definitely possible, but as the saying goes, "Hindsight is 20/20" and I'm using the soundest reasoning I can.
Fifth Scholar he/him Posted April 21, 2018 Posted April 21, 2018 Please welcome (and thank for volunteering on such short notice) @Coop772, who is pinch-hitting for @A Joe in the Bush, to the game! 1
Coop772 Posted April 21, 2018 Posted April 21, 2018 Hi all first LG, so analysis may not be that great, but I will try to be a good Joe 10
DrakeMarshall he/him Posted April 21, 2018 Posted April 21, 2018 Well, this lynch is a bit shortsighted, seeing as I can literally prove my innocence in one more turn. I don't completely fault you for it since I did lie to Len... But also, Len lied to me more than I did to him in that PM? I guess it's kind of bothersome to begin trying to participate in this game and then immediately get lynched for it. Ah well. You should be able to salvage some information from today's discussion. Hello Coop, good to see you, and good luck. And goodbye Coop Hopefully I won't see you again soon in the dead doc.
Coop772 Posted April 21, 2018 Posted April 21, 2018 Wait, waddya mean goodbye? Is there a lynch on me that I'm unaware of?
Kidpen he/him Posted April 21, 2018 Posted April 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Coop772 said: Wait, waddya mean goodbye? Is there a lynch on me that I'm unaware of? There is a lynch on Drake.
DrakeMarshall he/him Posted April 21, 2018 Posted April 21, 2018 Well, the lynch is well and truly solidified. This is the part where I'd be saying "yep I'm Jeskeri" and start profoundly trolling the village. But y'alls were wrong about me. I suppose I can understand why (even if it strikes me that you guys lied to me more than I ever did to you). I'd register the complaint that not waiting to let me prove myself is pretty overconfident, but what was it you said? Hindsight is 20/20. True that. Unfortunate, that you didn't pendant me like I asked. Try to catch up on discussion tonight, maybe. I don't have much in the ways of final thoughts. My best lead is that Devotary is possibly Gyorn, but killing cultists is probably more important right now. Good luck.
Popular Post DrakeMarshall he/him Posted April 21, 2018 Popular Post Posted April 21, 2018 (edited) Posting this earlier than I wanted, but I realize I need to go somewhere before rollover. Ah well. I wanted to make sure I got some final RP done. Ateshao pushed his overstuffed tinker's cart along the streets of Kae, hawking his goods to a few solitary strangers who were still out and about at this hour. His eyes still spasmed unpredictably, but Ateshao was adapting. If anything, the momentary bouts of ultra-sharp clarity improved his vision in the dark. He meandered, but he did have a destination in mind. "Hello, good sirs," he said, stopping in front of a fancy-looking house, facing a pair of guards out front. "Don't suppose ya'd be interested in some of my most fine wares?" The guards eyed him warily, looking a bit unnerved by his eyes, one of them beginning to shake his head. But Ateshao insisted, rummaging in his cart for something, knocking a dusty, cracked green bottle in the process, which shattered on the pavement. "Weapons, perhaps?" he said, procuring a wickedly curved sacrificial dagger from the cart and slipping it between one guard's ribs before he knew what was happening. The other guard lashed out with a sword, pinning Ateshao to the doorframe by the shoulder and embedding itself in the doorframe. Ateshao kicked the guard in the groin, causing him to buckle in agony and letting Ateshao slide his knife along the man's throat. Ateshao winced as the pain in his shoulder began to set in. He yanked the sword from the wood, collapsing from the pain, and threw back a healing potion while curled up on the pavement, eyes watering. The pain began to fade. Handy potion, that. The potioner had given it to him as an apology for what happened to Ateshao's eyes. He got to his feet, dusting himself off and clucking in disapproval. He wiped the blood from his knife on the shirt of one of the dying guards and sheathed it. He worked silently, depositing the two dying guards facedown inside his tinker's cart next to the other body, and covering them over with the various detritus that normally occupied his overfull cart. He broke the silence only to whistle a short tune, signaling a cadre of robed figures to rush forward inside the building to destroy the blasphemous painting, and its painter along with it. Ateshao heard sounds of a struggle inside as he finished his work. Bother. That meant complications. Moments later, crimson-robed figures swarmed from the building, vaguely resembling ants from a disturbed anthill, and Ateshao joined them in fleeing. "What hapened?" he asked, breathless as he ran alongside another cultist. "JinDo happened," the masked figure said. "Guards are on our tail, don't think we'll be able to shake 'em." Ateshao came to a decision. "Right, well. This cause, we knew the cause demanded sacrifices," he said, smiling ironically at that. "This one's on me. Split up." With that, Ateshao slowed to a stop, letting the others pull ahead, waiting for the guards to get closer. He knew the others wouldn't be so foolish or idealistic as to dissuade him. They understood sacrifice. Ateshao saw the guards approaching at full speed. He waved casually, then broke into a sprint, throwing himself down allyways, twisting and turning as if his life depended on it. Which it didn't, really. He began to pull ahead of the guards, but he knew the net was still closing. By now, this entire region of the city would be sectioned off. Soon, he would make his sacrifice. It was a full moon tonight. How very appropriate. *** The guards pulled to a stop in front of Ateshao. They had finally tracked the madman back to the entrance of Kainae's house, where his cart had been left. One of them cursed as they saw it. Ateshao now stood in the center of an elaborate, twisted, spiraling diagram, painstakingly traced on the street in blood, three corpses spaced equally along the perimeter of the diagram. "You got me," he said, reaching into his coat. He produced a short, straight-edged knife of blackened steel, a strange twisted sigil in the pommel and a red ribbon tied around the grip, looking distinctively out of place. "Now remember this. Everything has a price," he said, hand shaking as he held the knife extended in one hand.He looked completely deranged, covered in blood, his eyes behaving strangely. "A tinker's debt is always paid," he said, winking. "Praise the Ja." With that, he plunged the blade into his own chest. He fell to his knees, his pupils expanding to cover even the whites of his eyes. Where there was calm, a strange wind seemed to circle the area, increasing in speed, blowing dust and debree away from Ateshao. Slowly, all of the color inside the circle seemed to bleed away into monochrome. Ateshao disintegrated in a shower of dust that scattered across the pavement, and the winds calmed. He was no more. Well, that's that then. I believe I did as well as I reasonably could have, given how utterly damning the evidence against me was. Congratulations. Your priests have apprehended another heretic. I will see you on the other side. And now I make my exit. We shall see who has the last laugh. Praise the Ja. Edited April 21, 2018 by Drake Marshall 17
Elenion he/him Posted April 21, 2018 Posted April 21, 2018 @Drake Marshall And here I was just about to make a "I'm truly sorry if I got you mislynched" post. 1
DrakeMarshall he/him Posted April 21, 2018 Posted April 21, 2018 (edited) Yeah, well, that was what I was gunning for But I need to go now, and I'd rather get my final post in. I was going to post that a few seconds before rollover, but that didn't work out. Edited April 21, 2018 by Drake Marshall
Kidpen he/him Posted April 21, 2018 Posted April 21, 2018 Drake. Cause admitting stuff. Now that that's done, do we think that the Devotary vote by Drake was a distancing or he was not a cultist? Cause it could be either.
Elenion he/him Posted April 21, 2018 Posted April 21, 2018 14 minutes ago, Kidpen said: Drake. Cause admitting stuff. Now that that's done, do we think that the Devotary vote by Drake was a distancing or he was not a cultist? Cause it could be either. I find last-second votes like that to be IKYK. Players purposefully do stuff like that just to throw others off, so I personally just ignore those votes altogether.
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