DeTess she/her Posted March 30, 2018 Posted March 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, TheYoungPyromancer said: It was not me surviving an attack. I used my action to help the people on Silverlight Survive. Randuir, why do you consistently think devotion is elim? I didn't consistently think that. I did agree with someone stating that Devotion would be very useful to the elims because of its lynch-canceling power. AmI forgetting about antoehrs statement about Devotion being an elim before this cycle?
Eternum he/him Posted March 30, 2018 Posted March 30, 2018 I'll just come out and say I'm Honor. There's no point in keeping it hidden. Hey, Odium, let's keep from repeating history for a couple of cycles
DeTess she/her Posted March 30, 2018 Posted March 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, Eternum said: I'll just come out and say I'm Honor. There's no point in keeping it hidden. Hey, Odium, let's keep from repeating history for a couple of cycles Hmm, interesting. If that's true, you're pretty much hard-cleared of being Ruin, as only non-vessels can get a shard if it's passed on randomly. I don't see why you state that there's no point in keeping this hidden, as you immediately seem to follow it up with a very good reason for keeping it hidden.
Eternum he/him Posted March 30, 2018 Posted March 30, 2018 It's more useful to the village to know who has the Shards. If Odium does decide to try and kill me, well, that'll help the village anyway. I intend to move to-- and stay on-- Taldain, (Taldain's the one that lets you target anyone, correct?) because if someone does attack me, unless I forgot about some action or other that lets you target everyone, they'll be on Taldain and thus the suspect pool will get smaller.
The Young Pyromancer he/him Posted March 30, 2018 Posted March 30, 2018 Odium and Ruin can target anyone.
Eternum he/him Posted March 30, 2018 Posted March 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, TheYoungPyromancer said: Odium and Ruin can target anyone. Well then, I'm dumb.
The Young Pyromancer he/him Posted March 30, 2018 Posted March 30, 2018 (edited) I got confused about that too, but I got corrected in the world doc. 9 hours ago, livinglegend said: It'll come up whether I say it or not. Drought was on Scadrial and the three of us (Drought, Drake and I) agreed to go after the shard so we could get a village Honor vessel. I'm not sure exactly how passing shards works, but just in case Odium feels like shattering Honor, I will neither claim to have nor not have Honor. One of you is probably Ruin then, as I find it unlikely that they just GUESSED that Drought had Honor. Cultivation, will you PLEASE give me a PM? I don't care who it is with, but talking to you would be nice if you have no preferences. HH would also be good. Or Devotary. Or Eternum. Or anyone, really. I just REALLY WANT A PM! EDIT: Wait, the day will end in 8 hrs? Edited March 30, 2018 by TheYoungPyromancer
Steeldancer he/him Posted March 30, 2018 Posted March 30, 2018 Steel arrived in Hallendren in a blur. The entire run, he had been admiring the beauty of the world, enhanced by the divine breath now within him. As he came to a stop, people looked at him in awe. A man running with stormlight and having the 5th heightening? Who was he? "Steeldancer," he murmured to himself. "Could someone show me directions to this address?" He asked to the gaping crowd. A little girl came up, pointed him in the right direction, and he was off. He needed to find these people who apparently had a bunch of breath for him, if not for the breath, but for information about the man who called himself "Eobard." Odd name, that was. He stopped at the correct house, and knocked on the door. Phyl finally caught up to him, her face of vines looking thoughtful. He was about to ask what she was thinking about, when the door opened a crack, and a head peaked out. The man's eyes widened when he recognized who Steel was, and he urgently waved him inside. Fantastic. The man looked terrified. Not the best indicator of the kinds of answers he would get to his questions. Steel followed the gesture, and walked inside.
livinglegend Posted March 30, 2018 Posted March 30, 2018 45 minutes ago, TheYoungPyromancer said: One of you is probably Ruin then, as I find it unlikely that they just GUESSED that Drought had Honor. I disagree. I am not Ruin, and if Drake is ruin I guess he had a fifty -fifty shot between Drought and me as neither of us had a shard. I think it's more likely a village!Ruin suspected Drought of being a part of a conversion faction or an elim!Ruin suspecting Drought of being part of the other faction and thus sniped him from another world.
DrakeMarshall he/him Posted March 30, 2018 Posted March 30, 2018 Eight hours left in the cycle. I believe there is enough information at this point that everyone should have some basis to cast a vote, should they choose to. While it's gratifying to see an elim finally bite it... Last cycle: Quote Quote We’ll see how kills shape up tonight. Hopefully, things will become clear sooner rather than later, and we’ll get some constructive deaths Just wondering, do you have a reason to expect kills tonight? So far, the majority of nights have gone without any kills. Emphasis on kills, not a single kill. Fifth, why did you anticipate multiple kills last night? There has only been a single kill in the last four nights combined. I might suppose Odium to be a villager, but this remark makes me second guess that. Also, if we can request PMs, I wouldn't mine one with Steeldancer and/or Arinian.
Arinian Posted March 30, 2018 Posted March 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, Drake Marshall said: Eight hours left in the cycle. Wait a secon, eight hours? I think Seonid made mistake with countdown. Also I'm alive, yep absolutely alive, will post something later... probably
Devotary of Spontaneity Posted March 30, 2018 Posted March 30, 2018 3 hours ago, Steeldancer said: But it does seem like Odium is not aligned with Khriss, then. Why can't Odium be aligned with Khriss? YoungBard wasn't a member of her team. @Odium, if you didn't target YoungBard last night, would you mind attacking your target again? It's possible that YoungBard died because he used his Shardic power on teammate. 10 hours ago, Fifth Scholar said: Interesting to me that nobody was Returned last night. The four main reasons I can see for this are 1.Endowment was roleblocked/redirected 2.They didn't have enough actions remaining 3.They don't want to gain Endowment's win condition and 4.They're an elim and don't want to Return any more villagers than necessary. If this last case is true, there's a fair chance that Bard will be Returned tonight. 4 hours ago, randuir said: Arinian - Eilen randuir - Met livinglegend - Unnamed Character 3 Megasif - Mega _Stick_ - Stick Drake Marshall - Everen Elbereth - Elaria If either Drake or livinglegend were on Team Hoid, they could have summoned a team member to make it more likely that their team would receive Honour. Since neither of them did, it's probable that either Adonalsium's Chosen has another Shard, or Drake and livinglegend are less likely to be evil.
Fifth Scholar he/him Posted March 30, 2018 Posted March 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Drake Marshall said: Eight hours left in the cycle. I believe there is enough information at this point that everyone should have some basis to cast a vote, should they choose to. While it's gratifying to see an elim finally bite it... Last cycle: Emphasis on kills, not a single kill. Fifth, why did you anticipate multiple kills last night? There has only been a single kill in the last four nights combined. I might suppose Odium to be a villager, but this remark makes me second guess that. Also, if we can request PMs, I wouldn't mine one with Steeldancer and/or Arinian. Okay, I think this is being overread. Yes, I said “kills,” because there is more than 1 kill action on the table, and it’s reasonable to think that one or several might be used. Had I said “kill,” I could have been attacked for the opposite reason, so I’m not sure what you hope to draw from this. And I should cast a vote, so Rippleglyf. Definitely the most likely of our remaining Ruin suspects, in my eyes.
Stick. she/her Posted March 30, 2018 Posted March 30, 2018 Ahem. Okay. I forgot to talk about this stuff I said I was supposed to talk about last turn. So here's the stuff. Orlok's posts (my comments are in italics): spoilered for length Spoiler 1. Speaks against PM circles and the idea of going immediately for the sudden win con. Says that Ambition and Culty should be targeted. 2 & 3. Supports the idea of posting a list of suspicions as it will help us identify converts. I could see an elim doing this N0 in order to find a suitable conversion target. 4. Thinks that Auto's release was due to villagers seeking scans, and that Odium is more likely to be with an elim. 5. Votes for Mage after presenting a case against him. 6. Votes for Pyro for trying to take attention away from Khriss and Hoid. 7. Subtlety defends Fifth, says that Odium may be playing to a different win con and that we probably shouldn't be calling out the players we suspect of being Shards as they're likely to be villagers. 8. NAI stuff 9. Says that Bard isn't likely to have Odium, and asks me why I think he may. 10, 11 & 12. Removes vote from Pyro since he's a new player, votes on Mage again for mentioning Odium too many times. Adds the number of posts by Mage that reference Odium, Hoid/Khriss, and other Shards, and compares it with the number of times Fifth has done it. Apparently Mage had more posts about Odium than about Khriss/Hoid or other Shards. 13. Retracts vote from Mage because he's doesn't believe the reasons he presented earlier are enough to lynch Mage. Stresses on importance of focusing more on Hoid/Khriss than the Shards. 14. Says that he wasn't defending Fifth, put instead only wanted to point out that Mage being suspicious of Fifth for talking too much about Odium was odd when he had done that more himself. 15. Explains why he doesn't think releasing Culty would help the village significantly. Suggests the village to not take investiture from Culty at all so that we're sure it's with an elim when released. 16. Disagrees with Jondesu's reasons (having lesser elims than usual) for having a no lynch. 17. Tells Pyro that the conversions are bigger threats than Shards. Says that he agrees with HH that Hoid and Khriss probably went for conversions on N0, and votes for Jondesu because of his reluctance towards having a lynch. We know that Jondesu was a villager, but I don't know if this is telling. 18. Asks Pyro why he thinks revealing his plan in a PM is more secure to saying it in-thread. Says that if the elims get Culty they can get very manipulative with the PMs. 19. Asks Pyro to reveal plan after Pyro admits that it's not valid after rechecking the rules. 20. Votes on Pyro after Pyro insists that he'd rather keep the plan secret because that will make him reveal his other plan. 21. Says he's not in favour of Fifth lynch and that Fifth is cleared because he is okay with getting lynched. Again says that we should be giving Hoid/Khriss more of our attention. 22. Lists the number of times each of Hoid, Khriss, and the Shards have been mentioned upon El's request. 23. Advises Pyro to give out any info that might save him from getting lynched, and mentions that Fifth may be a suitable target for a conversion after this turn. 24. Asks Pyro which actions he took N0, if he is Survival. 25 & 26. Asks how Pyro attempted to take investiture from two Shards, and admits that he forgot about it when Pyro tells him about the Shardic extra action. 27. Says he's tying to work out whether Pyro is telling the truth about being Survival. 28. Removes vote from Pyro to make a counterlynch possible. 29. References Kas' post about lynches, and says that we've already got all the information we would've received from a lynch on Fifth and that we got info from Pyro and what players would do near the end of the cycle when under pressure. 30. Asks Steel to give his opinions on Pyro's claim, and asks the thread for options on releasing Culty. 31. Believes that Pyro is not village, but could be Survival, as he claims, or Hoid/Khriss. 32. Clarifies that he thinks that Culty can be quite a dangerous weapon for the elims and was suggesting villagers go for it to reduce the chance of the elims getting it, and says that Culty being able to create four PMs in the time a normal player would make one would give the identity of the Vessel away. 33. Repeats that we wouldn't have gotten any more info by lynching Fifth but my changing the lynch target we got other info (a Survival claim, and who people vote for under pressure). This post and post 21 make me think that Orlok, as Hoid or Khriss, would've possibly converted Fifth after saying this. It creates an IKYK situation for the other elim group, so they wouldn't have targeted Fifth in fear of their action failing as a result of both teams going for converting a player who most people believe is a villager, thereby leaving a clear passage for Khriss!Orlok or Hoid!Orlok to conveniently convert Fifth. This is very tin-foil and I don't think it's actually plausible. 34. Replies to Monster's suspicion on him and says that El had started a PM with him. 35 & 36. NAI things 35. Goes against Straw lynch because Straw gets mislynched early often. Straw turned out to be a villager, so I guess this post should give me a village vibe. Though I will note that at this point, the only other player up for the lynch was Pyro, and I could see an elim trying to redirect the lynch from a villager to somebody who they believe will survive the lynch, thus ensuring that the lynch will not really give any information to the village to move forward with. Though this is possible, I will say that I don't think it's particularly likely. Joe's posts (till last cycle): N2: 1. Got a new PM with El, so no records of whatever Orlok and El spoke of. Agrees that Straw is Ruin, and Pyro Survival. Would support a Pyro lynch because he hasn't offered to help the village. This one makes me wonder whether Joe is Ruin and wanted to throw shade on Straw. 2. Admits that if he were Survival, he'd keep Ruin and Odium to himself instead of passing them if he got them, as that would make him virtually unkillable. Questions Pyro's offer's authenticity, but says that he's less suspicious of him now that he knows that Pyro offered to help the village, and adds that he would like to leave Straw alive as well. This one gives me a village read. D3: 3. Says that Honour hasn't been released as there aren't many kills going around that would require protection from. Asks Straw why he invested in Mage. Says that they would have a strong village read on Fifth because of this post, but there are two elim teams so not sure how reliable the reads are. 4. Votes for HH because Straw used his Shardic ability on Joe and he doesn't think Straw is evil. N3: 5. Says he's going to go for Honour's investiture, and that he is disappointed in the Straw lynch but doesn't think the HH lynch would've been much different. A public announcement that he's going for Honour and explanation for why he's on Silverlight again makes me wonder if he really was Ruin just saying this so that people don't suspect him of blowing up the planet later on. D4: 6. Asks about Honour, votes Ripple, will vote for Eternum if Ripple defends themself. Says that he's not Ruin. Overall, while these posts are a bit hard to read into (particularly Orlok's), I think they might be Ruin. Though I'm going to refrain from casting a vote on them, as I don't want to go after Ruin unless they decide to blow another Shardworld up. And if they do, we can hopefully narrow down our list of suspects even more, depending on what world they blow up and which players are on it. I would instead like to use today's lynch by using it to kill an elim. Which i shall think on ...tomorrow. It's 1 AM and I'm sleepy. (In other news, I just finished reading Oathbringer! For the first time, that is. It's awesome.) I believe the counter is missing 24 hours, so we still have plenty of time. Hopefully we can come up with a solid lynch target till then. 4
The Young Pyromancer he/him Posted March 30, 2018 Posted March 30, 2018 (edited) Plus, he was responding to someone who talked about there being multiple kills. RippleGylf, for reasons previously stated. EDIT: Didn't see stick's post Edited March 30, 2018 by TheYoungPyromancer
Seonid he/him Posted March 30, 2018 Author Posted March 30, 2018 Sorry, the countdown should not be ending today. It should end at the same time saturday evening.
Steeldancer he/him Posted March 30, 2018 Posted March 30, 2018 Oh good because I was freaking out Seonid. I totally forgot which faction is which. Yes, indeed, odium can be on Khriss side, and it would still make sense. I don't have enough time to make an educated vote right now, so I'll vote when I get home from work.
The Young Pyromancer he/him Posted March 30, 2018 Posted March 30, 2018 (edited) Idea! If an elim dies, and village!Endowment returns them, they can tell us the other elim(s) on their team! So if we return YoungBard... We know who Hoid is! Edited March 30, 2018 by TheYoungPyromancer
Steeldancer he/him Posted March 30, 2018 Posted March 30, 2018 1 minute ago, TheYoungPyromancer said: Idea! If an elim dies, and village!Endowment returns them, they can tell us the other elim(s) on their team! So if we return YoungBard... We know who Hoid is! They would still be aligned with Hoid. Alignment is conserved. So they wouldn't tell us anything
Devotary of Spontaneity Posted March 30, 2018 Posted March 30, 2018 (edited) Ripple Quote 1. I, er, think I've been on Silverlight the rest of the game? 2. N0: get Preservation's investitureD1: nothingN1: fail to get Preservation's investitureD2: nothingN3: get Honor's investitureD3: nothingN4: try for Honor's again; roleblocked and moved to Roshar As a side note, I did not change Monster's action as he put it in last cycle. I still don't know how half of the mechanics work this game, so it's difficult for me to judge based on mechanics and stuff, which makes figuring out who's Ruin straight up impossible. I don't think Eternum's actually put up a defense yet, so I'll put a vote on them until they do. I don't believe anyone has counterclaimed these actions. If true, Ripple might be able to survive being lynched. Never changed her vote on Eternum even after he responded. Most of her remaining posts have to do with being unsure what's happening. I'm not super aware of what activity levels have looked like the rest of the game, but it wouldn't take too much actual activity to send in orders to destroy Braize and Silverlight. Uses this as a reason to suspect Eternum. Edited March 30, 2018 by Devotary of Spontaneity Accidentally posted
Fifth Scholar he/him Posted March 30, 2018 Posted March 30, 2018 @Devotary of Spontaneity Eternum is out, if people are interpreting the rules correctly, and I hope they are. I 99% trust that Joe isn’t Ruin. Bard and Jondesu are dead. So it probably is Ripple. Also, Devotary, that set of actions is uncounterclaimable, when you think about it, unless a Shard that’s tried to Invest in Ripple wants to out themselves, which is unlikely. I think Ripple is trying not to get lynched by claiming she has protection against the lynch, and feigning confusion about what’s happening with the Shards. I see a Ripple!Ruin as more accurate than a Joe!Ruin, and even if Ripple isn’t an Elim!Ruin, we’ll at least have removed a hostile win con from the table. Unless someone has a more compelling argument for a different target, I see no reason to change my vote. I’ll be going to a Good Friday service and should be back in 3 hours or so. Luckily, break has started for me, though, so hopefully I’ll be able to be more active this next week.
DrakeMarshall he/him Posted March 30, 2018 Posted March 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Fifth Scholar said: Okay, I think this is being overread. Yes, I said “kills,” because there is more than 1 kill action on the table, and it’s reasonable to think that one or several might be used. Had I said “kill,” I could have been attacked for the opposite reason, so I’m not sure what you hope to draw from this. And I should cast a vote, so Rippleglyf. Definitely the most likely of our remaining Ruin suspects, in my eyes. If you had said "kill", that might imply that you were Odium, which I would definitely take note of, but I probably would not accuse you on that basis, because so far Odium's kills remain plausible for a village!Odium. While I don't agree with killing Steeldancer, I can at least understand why village!Odium would remove somebody who declared they wanted to become corrupted by a shard. As for Bard, he kind of dropped off my radar after the start of the game, but I'm prepared to give Odium's motives the benefit of the doubt given that it resulted in the death of one of Hoid's followers. But then we come back to the thing about multiple kills. It isn't unreasonable to think that several kills might be used, as there are theoretically multiple possible kills in the game. But given how the last few cycles have gone, with only one kill between the four nights, it seems far too coincidental to see that remark right before two kills appear in one night. The most probable explanation is teamwork. I am guessing that you are Khriss, or a follower of Khriss. And I think it may be a good idea to kill a member of Khriss' faction, because Hoid's faction is probably weakened and I'd rather keep the two elim teams mostly balanced and focused on each other if we can manage it.
RippleGylf she/her Posted March 30, 2018 Posted March 30, 2018 Believe it or not, I'm not Ruin. Pyro, why don't you ever use your own analysis to vote on anyone? You keep hopping onto what Fifth says and assuming it to be true. I understand being more confident in more experienced players' analysis than your own; after a number of games, I still consider myself to be a fairly weak SE player. However, a major element in SE is trusting the right people. Trust the wrong people, and the village is screwed. I haven't had long enough to get decent reads on people (nor am I good at reading people to begin with) but just going along with what another player says unconditionally puts up a bunch of red flags.
Devotary of Spontaneity Posted March 30, 2018 Posted March 30, 2018 13 minutes ago, Fifth Scholar said: Also, Devotary, that set of actions is uncounterclaimable, when you think about it, unless a Shard that’s tried to Invest in Ripple wants to out themselves, which is unlikely. I was more thinking that anyone who went for Preservation N0 could counterclaim these actions. We know a maximum of two people went for Preservation that night, and a maximum of two people went for Honor on night 2. Straw claimed to have gone for Preservation on N0, and I see no reason for him to have lied. It seems unlikely at this point that anyone will claim, though. I didn't get to finish that last post. There key combination for posting really shouldn't be so close to the key combination for copy/pasting. Monster: Quote A lot of the time I assume that teh reason peopel are making posts is to play optimally and thats a bad assumption on my part. That being said While I believe now that he is survival I do acknowledge the possibility that he could have used preservation.... my gut is just saying that he didn't though. I don't know if that makes sense but I will contine to revaluate and whecther he is survival or something else I dont really trust him not to betray the village either way. Says this in explanation for his reevaluation of Pyromancer. As we as a whole seem to be assuming that Pyromancer is Survival, but at the time this represented a major shift in position. Ok I lied about not posting I guess but I really want to know why do you want Steeldancer or someone else returned tonight? I figure it might be best to let the people in the dead doc collect knowledge from each other then return. Suggests that Endowment wait to Return people. His explanation sort of makes sense, but I still believe that it's better to Return people as they die, especially now that 4 people are dead. Hmmm I guess I can agree with rand for now... though if Autonomy makes another aspect I might change my mind. You dont think autonomys win condition is just having an aspect on every planet do you? Worries about Autonomy's win condition. ->Possible Ruin behavior. If he was hoid I doubt he would have so quickly came up with two shards that he would have chosen so these two ring true to me so I think he has to be khriss or survival. But why would Survival need a charge of odium to protect himself? Wouldn't preservation or ruin be better protection? I'm not sure why Ruin would be good protection, as it only works as a roleblock if you happen to target your attacker and if that attacker is on the same planet. Interesting... welp Ruins life just became hell haha I'm not sure how to interpret this comment. The Main issue I have voting for the sand lord this early is that this could become a perpetual vote sink allowing the elim's to better position themselves each time we use the lynch against an aspect. Every turn we lynch an aspect we are not lynching an elim. I agree that we shouldn't let autonomy gain too much power but I also think we desperately need information that can be obtained from a real lynch right now. If autonomy creates another aspect this turn then we can lynch one next turn IMO assuming ruin doesn't destroy one in a planet destruction anyways. Advises against lynching Autonomy's Aspects. Suggests that two is too many. This was before it became known that Autonomy's Aspects protected planets from destruction. Ruin seems somewhat village due to them removing Braize as quickly as possible. The tough part is does ruin try to remove another planet if he does I would have to assume the shardic intent would be in full effect if it isn't already. That means he will probably nee to pass the shard if he doesn't want to get overwhelmed. Assumes a village Ruin, and suggests that the destruction of Braize was a good thing for Ruin to do. When challenged, responds with: Originally I assumed it was village because I thought village wouldnt want a kill action but with everyone pointing out that Ruin might have just wanted to ensure they were the only ones with a kill action I am not so sure anymore. I was originally thinking this was a way to prevent hoid and khriss from using braize with their followers to pick off more people discretely
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