[OB] Oathbringer chapters 31 & 32

[retrorocket1]

not going to read through all the comments, but when it said syl felt pain and surprise I got the idea that the "fused" wern't using a surge like kalidin's but instead were "stealing" kalidin's powers, sort of like leech ability that can mimic any knight radiant's power that is nearby

Edited November 8, 2017 by retrorocket1

[Andy92]

1 hour ago, ethan_sedai said:

dude! this is about Kaladin! the first part was from when he was defending Elhokar after Syl died, and the second part is in these last couple chapters!

I always assumed the second part was referring to Kaladin regaining the ability to use Stormlight in WoR when Syl comes back to him. But I suppose it's possible that one death rattle was referring to two separate events. 

[Arondell]

13 hours ago, Nymeros said:

Oh snap was the surge of Adhesion just useful?

The "Adhesion" surge utilizes principals of Atmospheric Pressure to achieve its effects.  As I recall early references to this surge called it just that.  Not sure why they decided to change it.  Because of that I've kind of been expecting to see Kaladin do something involving direct wind manipulation for some time.

Edited November 8, 2017 by Arondell
typo

[Michael Portz he/him]

5 hours ago, Steeldancer said:

Also did I really get 40 rep for making a fart joke? I don't know whether to be pleased or just really disappointed. 

It was a fart joke in a forum of loads of non-native speakers, who might not have picked up the joke until a bit later; but then it hit them ... like e.g. me :-D

Funny and emotional postings seem to pick up more upvotes recently than analytical ones, too.

[Michael Portz he/him]

5 hours ago, CJ Feboris said:

No, it is the only way to listen, 1.5 feels like a normal rate and 2.0 feels only slightly fast. It is a bit hard when there are unfamiliar words but after a few minutes you won't even notice that the audio is playing fast. 

Not for me, I will stick to normal speed. 

Only started audio with Arcanum Unbound's Dalinar chapters, though. I was absolutely thrilled by Michael Kramers reading, savouring this is one reason to stay at normal :-)

[Michael Portz he/him]

9 hours ago, mariapapadia said:

ohhh! I would've given you an upvote for simphaty, but I'm out  I honestly don't know how you could make it for so long ! Like @CaptainRyan said, I would probably buy a kindle just to order the e book version. Heck! At this point, I am also thinking to get the e book version so I can have it at 12 and then go buy the actual book on the day of the release. I understand your struggle very well though. I am from Romania and we never got the books on the release day ( I think the only exception was the last Harry Potter maybe). I always had to order them and the shipping is most of the time, more expensive then the actual book. I think the stars aligned so that I will be somewhere where I can actually get the book on the release day, I should actually be greatful for that. 

I know this sounds like a first world problem/ attention seeking thing, but I honestly don't know how am I going to survive until the next week. I have always been  all over the place, with my mind in 10 different directions, but today I was running through the city with a semi-functional leg, bumping into people, I went into a glass door because I didn't see it there,I almost fell down the stairs not looking where I was going because I was just to distracted after I read the chapters. My friend had to pull me out of the bike lane because I wasn't looking where I was going. Next wednesday I have a big deadline, which means I have to work overtime on Tuesday(!!!!) and the only thing I can focus now when it comes to work is how to find a plausible excuse not to go, after I already told everyone that my book is coming out next week. I am supposed to be a functioning adult, but I just stress ate a full chocolate reading through the comments. 

My sister sent me a video of me, when I was about 12 crying and screaming 2 days before the Harry Potter and the Half Blood prince release and 13 years later not much has changed when it comes to this . I just need to get back to my normal self, because now I feel like I am on another planet. I am either extremely happy or stressed.  I've honestly don't remember if I ever was this excited about something. 

This reply doesn't have much to do with your stuggle, but I am just a rambling mess 

*comfort*

The only way to deal with it --and thats the solution I pick for me, as I wont be able to read as much as fast as I wish due to work and family etc-- is to consider yourself in either a Bendalloy or a Cadmium bubble. No matter what: Inside of the bubble only your own time counts, no need to worry about anything outside. I hope this gives me the calm I need to really enjoy OB.

To achive this it is absolutely crucial NOT TO COME BACK TO 17THSSHARD UNTIL YOU FINISHED THE BOOK. There is absolutely no WoB about what happens, when you visit the forums out of one of the bubbles; it might just destroy the cosmere.

*SIGH*

 

[HarryKal]

I am not sure whether this has been answered. Can someone bond with more than one Spren? Could it be that odiums champion bonded with 9 sprens resulting in 9 shadows?

[kari-no-sugata]

A couple of minor thoughts...

For Shallan, since this is a few hours after her last chapter, she should still be dressed as Veil, unless she had time for a nice warm bath (I don't think so). I don't know if we'll see what happens immediately after her last scene but there is a chance for a "wardrobe malfunction", as it were, and she reveals that she's dressed as Veil in front of Jasnah (and Adolin).

It's curious that Jasnah came to Shallan first (it seems), rather than her family. I'm guessing Dalinar is on the Stormphone to other world leaders with Navani helping so they are currently indisposed. I'm guessing Adolin has been filling Jasnah in on recent events and Jasnah is concerned about Shallan. If Jasnah has already visited her family, then who is the rest of the group with Jasnah and why are they still following?

For Shallan's sake, I hope her recent achievements aren't overshadowed yet again.

It's also of course deliberate plotting that just as Shallan starts to feel some stability in her life again that Jasnah (and Kaladin) return. Ironically, the last time she was feeling a bit like that was just before Jasnah "died" in WoR. Shallan has been getting used to the feeling of freedom etc and probably doesn't feel like being in Jasnah's shadow. If Jasnah and Shallan still have a teacher/pupil type relationship then Jasnah would probably ask Shallan to move to the Kholin side of Urithiru, for example. Yet, Shallan respects Jasnah massively so she'll be really conflicted about such things - part of her will want to leave everything to Jasnah and part of her will want to participate as a grown-up. Also, from Jasnah's point of view, it'll probably be a shock to find just how much Shallan has changed and she might struggle to adjust as well.

Then there's the minor problem of the Ghostbloods. Ironically, Jasnah being alive after all would remove one major reason why Shallan hates them (though there's others of course). I'm sure Mraize and co would be surprised and concerned about Jasnah's return. How quickly will they try to contact Shallan or will they consider her to be compromised? When will Shallan get her payment of information about Helaran, if ever?

At least, with Jasnah back we should see some real examples of Soulcasting again.

[Jigar]

Everybody Is excited about Jasnah x Kaladin interaction or Jasnah x Shallan interaction.

I am just waiting for Jasnah's reaction when Adolin tries to flirt with Shallan in her presence or Shallan trying to be lovely-Dovey with Adolin .For all the knowledge Jasnah has about different things in world I think this one place she might have little to no experience. So would be interesting to see how she reacts to a budding relationship that she actually started with different motive in mind

This makes me wonder how jasnah would react if someone where to propose to her.

[Agent34]

1 hour ago, HarryKal said:

I am not sure whether this has been answered. Can someone bond with more than one Spren? Could it be that odiums champion bonded with 9 sprens resulting in 9 shadows?

It's technically possible to bond multiple spren but conflicting oaths would make it rather tricky to keep them all alive.

[Michael Portz he/him]

1 hour ago, Jigar said:

I am just waiting for Jasnah's reaction when Adolin tries to flirt with Shallan in her presence or Shallan trying to be lovely-Dovey with Adolin .For all the knowledge Jasnah has about different things in world I think this one place she might have little to no experience. So would be interesting to see how she reacts to a budding relationship that she actually started with different motive in mind

But wasn't the whole Adolin/Shallan liaison Jasnah's idea? She will see the whole flirting as necessary preliminary to getting Shallan a safe position in the Alethkar court.

Edited November 8, 2017 by Michael Portz

[Agent34]

1 minute ago, Michael Portz said:

But wasn't the whole Adolin/Shallan liaison Jasnah's idea? She will see the whole flirting as necessary preliminary to getting Shallan a safe position in the Alethkar court.

It was her idea but it was more for political reasons. Shallan and Adolin's interactions are far from political bonding.

[Fulminato he/him]

11 hours ago, CaptainRyan said:

But did the Unmade exist from the very start of the Desolations or did they start appearing overtime? If the first Desolation had zero Unmade involved but the second Desolation had one involved... well, that could be interesting, no?

Also, as a bit of a nit-pick, the Heralds did not break the Oathpact, they only think they did.

Source: http://www.theoryland.com/intvsresults.php?kw=oathpact (#3 in the list)

i don't see why the unmade appear one after another with the progression of the desolation. and the ten harald were created at the start of the whole affaire. for symmetry the all the unmade start in the same moment.

PS: yea, i know. but they don't broke the whole oathpact, but some of the oath they take becoming herald are for sure broken that day.

11 hours ago, Steeldancer said:

Not talking about the Oathpact. Or maybe we are. Dont know enough about the oathpact to know.

No, I'm talking about a piece of the Herald's spiritual web, being broken off during torture, which would be why all the Heralds are so broken. They actually have a piece of themselves missing. A piece connected to Honor, maybe. Then that piece was taken, and was corrupted and enlarged and turned into an unmade.

this don't make sense for me.

the heralds were quite sane at the start of each desolation. the whole cycle utterly destroyed their will, but in the WotK prelude don't see any sign of madness in the kalak - jezrien dialogue. the heralds were well broken, but not mad. the madness (in my opinion) grow after the Aharietiam, the act to broking the oath had some catastrophic effect on their psyche and they have over four millenia to grow worst (like the companion of nale, kalak i presume, tell in the WoR prologue). the fact of the madness of each herald is linked to his/her divine attributes let me think of the broken-but-not-broken oathpact effect.

8 hours ago, Mr Maker said:

2. Dawnsingers were Listeners bonded/fused with the Dawnshards, the leaders of the Listener population, and responsible for creating the Dawnchant.

3. All was well until Adonalsium splits, and then humans, the three shards, and conflict arrived.

dalinar (in the real world) spoke in dawnchant during the 'nohadon vision'. based on the 'purelake' vision we know the real body of dalinar spoke the language of his 'in vision' interlocutor [at the start he spoke whit a selay and at the ending from the vision with honor, and navani told him he had swiched from on old dialect of selay to a strange language in the end], so in the shadowday the dawnchat was a not a dead language, in the WotK [in world book] nohadon spoke to journey to urithiru on foot, and his family used the oathgate. (My family traveled to Urithiru via the direct method, and had been awaiting me for weeks when I arrived, WotK chapter 58). another proof of that the writing on the oathgate wall was all on dawnchant [WoR Chapter 85].

if the dawnchant was the old language of the listener the human during the shadowday learn it.

[Stark he/him]

So, here is some random speculation.  The everstorm is here, and has made a few loops of the planet.  Our heroes have gathered at Urithiru.  All the heralds are (probably, if the man referred to as Taln is actually Taln) wandering around in varying degrees of sanity.  We know at least two of these heralds are slotted to be back five flashback characters.

 

So what are the chances that at least a handful of the (mostly) sane Heralds show up in Urithiru this book?  I mean there are some depictions of Shalash in Urithiru that aren't defaced, Nale and a maybe-Kalak have been active?  With the way things are moving, and with Dalinar giving out visions the way Oprah gives out cars, and the Oathgates reactivating...  It seems more than plausible that a few of the Heralds might decide to show up, and oh, I don't know, do their Storming jobs?

[WhiteLeeopard she/her]

I've always wondered if Syl is an old spren, that was once bonded to a Radiant. Obviously she wouldn't be bonded during the Recreance, so she didn't end up as a dead blade. But it could be she was a spren that regularly bonded Windrunners, taking a break after her last Radiant died of natural causes when the Radiants broke their Oaths. Reason why I thought this was because like was pointed up above, there seems to be something different about Kaladin, even from other Radiants.

Another thing is that Pattern said he is new and had never experienced anything like the bond with Shallan in WoR, can't remember exact words. Syl never said this, just gave the impression of been slowly remembering as Kaladin advanced his Oahts. And Syl always seemed to know a lot, even if she couldn't bring up the memories. 

Edited November 8, 2017 by WhiteLeeopard

[Calderis he/him]

5 minutes ago, WhiteLeeopard said:

I've always wondered if Syl is an old spren, that was once bonded to a Radiant. Obviously she wouldn't be bonded during the Recreance, so she didn't end up as a dead blade. But it could be she was a spren that regularly bonded Windrunners, taking a break after her last Radiant died of natural causes when the Radiants broke their Oaths. Reason why I thought this was because like was pointed up above, there seems to be something different about Kaladin, even from other Radiants.

Another thing is that Pattern said he is new and had never experienced anything like the bond with Shallan in WoR, can't remember exact words. Syl never said this, just gave the impression of been slowly remembering as Kaladin advanced his Oahts. And Syl always seemed to know a lot, even if she couldn't bring up the memories. 

Syl says that she remembers helping men kill long before Kaladin,in tWoK. 

I'm sure she's been bonded before. 

[WhiteLeeopard she/her]

Just now, Calderis said:

Syl says that she remembers helping men kill long before Kaladin,in tWoK. 

I'm sure she's been bonded before. 

Aha! I knew I was forgetting something else. Following that point, I wonder if Kaladin is a bit different to other Radiants because his spren is an "experienced spren" so to say.

[Stark he/him]

9 minutes ago, WhiteLeeopard said:

Aha! I knew I was forgetting something else. Following that point, I wonder if Kaladin is a bit different to other Radiants because his spren is an "experienced spren" so to say.

So, to link link this back to "No Mating" and Syl's dating advice to Kaladin, does this make Syl a cougarspren?  Or, seeing as, per the quote below, is she a bondagespren?

Quote

I bind things, Kaladin.

I know she's actually an Honorspren, but still - it fits the discussions regarding the spren curiosity about human mating habits and bodily functions....

[Starla]

@WhiteLeeopard There is a WOB that says Syl was alive before the recreance. (#35 here.)

Quote

QUESTION
When Syl says in The Way of Kings that she had been with other men who have killed. Is she-- Why is she able to say that?
BRANDON SANDERSON
Syl’s memories, the longer she’s bonded the more access to them she has, from times before. She knows some of these things. She’ll never get it all back.
QUESTION
From the time before Kaladin.
BRANDON SANDERSON
From before Kaladin, from before the Recreance, yes.

 

[QuantumHarmonix he/him]

It would be interesting is Syl was the first spren to figure out how to bond with humans. That could put her before any restrictions that were placed on the Nahel Bond. Which might explain Kal’s odd abilities, why she wasn’t bonded with anyone during the recreance, and why the stormfather was so against her bonding anyone.

[vividox]

9 hours ago, retrorocket1 said:

not going to read through all the comments, but when it said syl felt pain and surprise I got the idea that the "fused" wern't using a surge like kalidin's but instead were "stealing" kalidin's powers, sort of like leech ability that can mimic any knight radiant's power that is nearby

Oooh, that's an interesting theory. And puts the Fuseds unfamiliarity with the powers in a very different light. 

[vividox]

4 hours ago, kari-no-sugata said:

Ironically, Jasnah being alive after all would remove one major reason why Shallan hates them (though there's others of course).

Agree with the majority of your post, but I'd just like to point out that a murder turning out to not be successful is no reason whatsoever for Shallan to stop hating the Ghostbloods for the attempt.

[Bcknight2]

46 minutes ago, vividox said:

Agree with the majority of your post, but I'd just like to point out that a murder turning out to not be successful is no reason whatsoever for Shallan to stop hating the Ghostbloods for the attempt.

Especially if they're going to be renewing their efforts to kill Jasnah...

[Subvisual Haze]

13 hours ago, Agent34 said:

Dalinar has been called a Son of Honor before, most recently in the last set of chapters when Stormfather said he wasn't a hypocrite. 

As for Kaladin I found a paraphrased WoB which seems to suggest something's unique about him.

 

Oh that's true, Stormfather also called Dalinar a Son of Honor once before, so that may be a more generic title for a Radiant or honorable person or even just a human.

Son/child of Tanavast specifically though seems to be a moniker specific to Kaladin (first in WOK from Stormfather to Kaladin in a chapter named the same and then again in the newest chapter).  In fact, I think this is the only time the name "Tanavast" even appears in the Stormlight Archive outside of Hoid offhand mentioning the name to Jasnah at the end of WOR and in the WOR epigraph letter addressed to Hoid.  Small sample size sure, but I could definitely see it turning out to be significant.

[Leyrann]

1 hour ago, QuantumHarmonix said:

It would be interesting is Syl was the first spren to figure out how to bond with humans. That could put her before any restrictions that were placed on the Nahel Bond. Which might explain Kal’s odd abilities, why she wasn’t bonded with anyone during the recreance, and why the stormfather was so against her bonding anyone.

Wasn't the Nahel bond formed after the Honorblades though, thereby automatically restricting the abilities of the bond to the abilities of the Honorblades?