[OB] Oathbringer Chapter 1-3

[+Extesian]

SIX. PAGES. OF. POSTS. IN. 7. HOURS.

Where time. How read. When work sleep. Why 

[Toaster Retribution]

2 minutes ago, Extesian said:

SIX. PAGES. OF. POSTS. IN. 7. HOURS.

Where time. How read. When work sleep. Why 

Forget your life. Oathvember is coming.

[dantlee]

3 hours ago, the_archduke said:

If Brandon finished ASOIAF, it would be over in half a book.  Take out the gratuitous nudity and violence (which Brandon's wouldn't write) and there isn't much left to that story.

Eh, I'm not quite so negative on GRRM. I think he's quite overrated as a writer - his prose tends to drag on for pages at a time describing nothing more than scenery or food, but overall I think he's a brilliant worldbuilder and a master at subverting expectations. His character development is also excellent.

And this is unrelated to his fantasy writing, but I have also rarely read any author more adept at writing food porn. 

[WhiteLeeopard]

Congratulations Extesian, you turned it into 7  

You can skip part of 5, not too relevant.

[+Wax]

1 minute ago, ElephantEarwax said:

I felt something off also, but I think that it is just excited for the new canon.

I am missing the dates at the start of chapters, as it was a bit confusing how many days had it been since the storm.

I am not that worried though given that Brandon mentioned strong beta reader response.

This is like the Return of the Jedi book version, so I am guessing it gets more action than scene descriptions, theories and character introductions.

[WhiteLeeopard]

6 days since the storm.

[WhiteLeeopard]

Best-quote-ever 

Spoiler

Dalinar looked up, inspecting those in the room. Sebarial and Palona. Teft and Sigzil, the lieutenants from Bridge Four. A handful of other soldiers, including the young scout woman who had fetched him. His sons, steady Adolin and impenetrable Renarin. Navani, with her hand on his shoulder. Even the aging Kalami, hands clasped before her, meeting his eyes and nodding.

“You all agree, don’t you?” Dalinar asked.

Nobody objected. Yes, this murder was inconvenient for Dalinar’s reputation, and they certainly wouldn’t have gone so far as to kill Sadeas themselves. But now that he was gone… well, why shed any tears?

Edit. sorry, didn't realize I was double posting, and don't know how to remove the second one afterwards

Edited August 29, 2017 by WhiteLeeopard

[Toaster Retribution]

This has somewhat derailed into ASoIaF discussion, which is wrong for this thread. Without being a mod, I just want to say that I have this thread up here on the Shard for ASoIaF discussion, if anyone is interested to discuss it without derailing this thread (hope the mods dont feel that I'm stealing their jobs).

Anyhow, as for these sample chapters, I am quite interested in who we will get next week. This one was heavy Dalinar focus, with a tiny bit of Adolin sprinkled in. Shallan had no lines, and Kaladin didnt even appear. I will be terribly surprised if we go without Kaladin next week. Shallan... maybe. I think we will get one more Dalinar too. 

Also, where is Amaram? Has he arrived yet? 

Edited August 29, 2017 by Toaster Retribution

[Calderis]

2 minutes ago, Toaster Retribution said:

Also, where is Amaram? Has he arrived yet? 

I don't think he's going to be anywhere near Dalinar. I think we'll have to see him through Taln or through Shallan and the ghostbloods

[WhiteLeeopard]

One of the things that I didn't know from before was that men are paid according to their rank (social rank, dahn and nahn) instead of the actual job they do. Goes on to show Alethkar is a dumb country the more we find out. Or maybe blame Vorinism. But explains why when Kaladin was negotiating with Dalinar for Bridge 4 to be their new bodyguards he demanded equal pay to what the lighteyes bodyguards were paid, as if it were something special instead of a given.

[Jaconis]

22 minutes ago, Toaster Retribution said:

Anyhow, as for these sample chapters, I am quite interested in who we will get next week. This one was heavy Dalinar focus, with a tiny bit of Adolin sprinkled in. Shallan had no lines, and Kaladin didnt even appear. I will be terribly surprised if we go without Kaladin next week. Shallan... maybe. I think we will get one more Dalinar too. 

Also, where is Amaram? Has he arrived yet? 

Yeah, I agree. I think it's pretty certain that we'll get Kaladin and likely Shallan.  IMO, in order of likelihood, the third may be another Dalinar, another flashback, or Jasnah.

The prologue has got me more much more interested in Amaram. I've been considering him as nothing more than a delusional bad guy, but his motivations seem to have come from Gavilar now. I can't fully explain why that changes things significantly for me in terms of interest level, but it somehow made him more interesting as a character to me. 

Also, while on the subject of possible Odium champions, Amaram certainly would be on the list. Another I've been thinking of is Moash, though these both seem a bit too obvious. I know I've heard Brandon say on his writing excuses podcast that in terms of plot twists, he has general rule when coming up with them. He says he thinks of the first thing people will likely think is the twist, then throws that out. Then thinks of the second thing people will think is the twist, and throws that one out too. Not until the third option does he start to consider it as a good twist.

EDIT:

Also, I haven't seen this brought up, so maybe I'm just confused.

Quote

Nobody believed his warnings. Monarchs in places like Azir and Thaylenah admitted that a strange storm had appeared in the east, but they didn’t believe it would return.

Do we know if this is before, after, or during the events of Edgedancer? I assume they are sort of happening concurrently based on the above statement. The main thing I'm confused about though is how in the world did the monarch of Azir see "that a strange storm had appeared in the east"? (I'm assuming that this isn't referring to the storm they see at the end Edgedancer, because that was coming from the west). Looking at the map, Azir is literally on the other side of the planet from the Shattered Plains. Are we to believe that the Everstorm was visible from that far away? If so, why in the world wasn't everyone freaking the bleep out that this new, massive (red!) storm was being created?

Something seems off to me, though I could be missing something. Anyone else see see what it is?

Edited August 29, 2017 by Jaconis

[the_archduke]

Also interesting was that Dalinar was lamenting losing so many highlords.  He indicates that he only has so many men of that rank.  Apparently he can't just promote men of lower dahn.  How do people move up in dahn?

[WhiteLeeopard]

4 minutes ago, the_archduke said:

Also interesting was that Dalinar was lamenting losing so many highlords.  He indicates that he only has so many men of that rank.  Apparently he can't just promote men of lower dahn.  How do people move up in dahn?

Good point. But it could just be related to loyalty, that he doesn't know the men below enough to trust them immediately. Of course with Alethkar, its probably a related to social rank. Also makes it interesting how bridge 4 are obviously in their own little category now that they are squires . Dalinar addressed them differently than I suspect he would have just the previous week, and no-one even questioned their presence there.

Edited August 29, 2017 by WhiteLeeopard

[Lightspine]

Any speculation yet on the golden light? Odium's color is red, why would his power appear gold? Or, is gold just a more generic color for investure (if so, I haven't noticed/heard about it)? The only other appearance of golden light I can recall from SA is Dalinar's dream at the end of WoR, but that light wasn't "terrible", it was warm and welcoming. Perhaps that was Cultivation's power?

[Toaster Retribution]

30 minutes ago, Calderis said:

I don't think he's going to be anywhere near Dalinar. I think we'll have to see him through Taln or through Shallan and the ghostbloods

He is going to Urithiru. And he might become Sadeas successor as highprince.

[Calderis]

2 minutes ago, Lightspine said:

Any speculation yet on the golden light? Odium's color is red, why would his power appear gold? Or, is gold just a more generic color for investure (if so, I haven't noticed/heard about it)? The only other appearance of golden light I can recall from SA is Dalinar's dream at the end of WoR, but that light wasn't "terrible", it was warm and welcoming. Perhaps that was Cultivation's power?

His connection with red is an assumption. 

1 minute ago, Toaster Retribution said:

He is going to Urithiru. And he might become Sadeas successor as highprince.

Yeah. And so they'll be forced to interact when/if that happens. 

For the time being though, after their last interaction, I think he'll keep his distance 

[frozndevl]

1 hour ago, vividox said:

So, did anyone else get the sense that the writing quality wasn't up to standard? I got the feeling I was reading a Rithmatist/Reckoners book, not a Stormlight book. Small sample size, obviously. 

I don't know if i would say not up to standard, but something seemed off, as if it was too.... easy to read? I've never read the Rithmatist books, but I do agree with the Reckoners comment. Is lacking sophistication in the prose a thing? (I'm not a writer, I don't pretend to be one, and don't think I could do better, just to be clear.)

I know that the entire book is all sorts of huge, so I wonder if things were trimmed that weren't crucial to the story, but added to the 'quality" so to speak.

[Lightspine]

Just now, Calderis said:

His connection with red is an assumption. 

Ah, I was unawares of that. Even so, it has seemed like a solid assumption so far. There are no WoBs on this?

[WhiteLeeopard]

I don't think any Shards have been shown to have any personal colors. Just Odium-red eyes in voidbinders. I personally doubt Shards have single colors automatically attributed to them, its too simple for Brandon, and for a piece of God. 

 

Edited August 29, 2017 by WhiteLeeopard

[the_archduke]

Though Preservation = White and Ruin = Black is widely theorized

[WhiteLeeopard]

1 minute ago, the_archduke said:

Though Preservation = White and Ruin = Black is widely theorized

But not proved in-world beyond a doubt. I admit I did associate Odium with red, but it seems too simplistic. Maybe Shards have a main color, but doubt it will need to be in all of their interactions. 

[Calderis]

2 minutes ago, the_archduke said:

Though Preservation = White and Ruin = Black is widely theorized

There's a WoB on that that says it was a development from their opposition in Scadrial and not inherent to the Shards. 

Found it 

Mistborn spoilers obviously 

Spoiler

http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=1037#7

QUESTION

Ruin and Preservation were often represented in the Mistborn trilogy in terms of black and white. Is this imagery limited to that series, or do other Shards also have an associated hue?

BRANDON SANDERSON

This (Ruin & Preservation's colors) was because of the specific world and their perception of the world and themselves. Essentially, because of the dynamics of the interplay between Ruin and Preservation, they "chose" to view themselves as black and white respectively, so that's how they were represented. Also, because the only two Shards on Scadrial, and their natures were opposites, after the long period of time they spent on the same planet, they kind of "polarized." If a similar thing happened on another world, a similar coloring effect could happen

 

[Nathrangking]

There is a WoB which associates particular colors with shards

THOUGHT

It seems that certain colors and numbers appear frequently in specific cosmere books, like the number 5 in Warbreaker or red and blue in Elantris. Do these colors or numbers happen to refer to a specific shard, and if so, would they be consistent across the cosmere?

BRANDON SANDERSON

Certain colors and numbers are important in reference to certain shards.

[WhiteLeeopard]

Did anyone else raise an eyebrow at the part one, and chapter one naming dichotomy?

Part One: United

Dalinar * Shallan * Kaladin * Adolin

Chapter 1
Broken and Divided

By the way, I imagine Maxal must be very happy today. Book couldn't have started better for her .

[Calderis]

4 minutes ago, Nathrangking said:

There is a WoB which associates particular colors with shards

THOUGHT

It seems that certain colors and numbers appear frequently in specific cosmere books, like the number 5 in Warbreaker or red and blue in Elantris. Do these colors or numbers happen to refer to a specific shard, and if so, would they be consistent across the cosmere?

BRANDON SANDERSON

Certain colors and numbers are important in reference to certain shards.

Important does not mean solely attributed to a single Shard.