Mid-Range Game 24: Baleful Eye

[Elenion he/him]

@Drake Marshall  Here's what I'm thinking. If you tell me who the last Reckoner is, it would be within my power to get them lynched. However, it would also be within their power to kill me. Therefore, to avoid us killing each other, we settle things using Alvron's favorite methods. The Reckoner and I both promise to follow this plan: the Reckoner flips a coin, heads and they kill me, tails and they commit suicide using their own kill. They don't flip until last time they're on before turnover, and they don't announce the results. In the next write-up we see who was lucky, and we see who is dead.

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

Well I'd be game, but I also can't make PMs anymore so my contact with the Reckoners is broke... Lemme think about this.

[Elenion he/him]

5 minutes ago, Drake Marshall said:

Well I'd be game, but I also can't make PMs anymore so my contact with the Reckoners is broke... Lemme think about this.

The alternative is that I PoE their identity. Really, all that's left is Ripple. Sami, Tammi, Shqueeves.

Oh, and Cole

[RippleGylf she/her]

@Drake Marshall, you're certain that the last Reckoner is still in the game, correct? Alive?

 

EDIT: I ask because it is entirely possible that there just aren't any Reckoners left.

Edited September 2, 2017 by RippleGylf

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

Goodmorning

12 hours ago, Elenion said:

The alternative is that I PoE their identity. Really, all that's left is Ripple. Sami, Tammi, Shqueeves.

Oh, and Cole

You never voted on Cole

Also I have a plan for this handoff, but its probably too late for this cycle

9 hours ago, RippleGylf said:

@Drake Marshall, you're certain that the last Reckoner is still in the game, correct? Alive?

I mean, they're not dead, so yeah. Unless there's some convert power on the loose, they're still in-game

 

Anyway, it's kind of depressing that I wake up and barely anything has happened 

 

Peace out folks.

Len, if I die somehow, please keep the game interesting in my stead 

I know you aren't bound by your earlier promise since we never really finalized a deal.

But you've been doing a good job of it this last cycle, and if you keep it up you have my gratitude.

 

Fun fact. I don't think I've told a straight lie in this game yet. It's been fun to experiment with different approaches to games.

[RippleGylf she/her]

Did Elenion ever cancel his vote on Drake?

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

Just now, RippleGylf said:

Did Elenion ever cancel his vote on Drake?

Don't think so.

And in that case.

Here's the thing.

My PoE, in addition to my considerable information about this game, has lead me to conclude that Elenion is pretty much certain to be the SK.

I reached this conclusion some time ago, but I really didn't want to reveal this, because, seriously, SKs are so much fun. I would have been fine keeping quiet about it, really.

But... Pretty sure Len's vote still technically counts as on me, so I'm about to die.

And I'm not about to let him kill me and get off free, hehehe.

But yeah, Elenion is the Serial Killer.

There's the fact that his self-proclaimed win condition doesn't really match up with what I am pretty certain would be the win condition of a real loyal citizen. This basically proves that he is lying about his role.

There's the fact that he's the only Loyal Citizen claim. I know Seonid is a troll, but that's not how he trolls. I can see him making "Loyal Citizen" a fictional role and giving a bunch of neutrals Fake IDs so that everybody believes Loyal Citizen is a real thing. I can't see him making one player an actual vanilla town in a game like this. That isn't really that funny to me, because it unnecessarily degrades the experience of one player. Now, I know that would be a valid game decision (after all, some elimination games are mostly vanilla town) but I really don't feel like Seonid would do what Elenion is claiming. I may not be the best at analyzing people, but I can analyze a game for certain.

There are... Other reasons, but the cycles about to end.

Peace out folks. It's been an honor.

[Seonid he/him]

Cycle is over

[Seonid he/him]

MR24: Cycle 8 - Death of a Reckoner

Writeup to be posted someday,  when I have PC access instead of just mobile

 

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Drake Marshall was lynched! He was a Reckoners Coordinator with a Mobile and a Fake ID chip!

Vote Count

Drake (2): Len, Ripple

Cycle 8 has begun. You have 48 or so hours to send in actions and to vote.

Player List:

1. [REDACTED] - Paranoid King, person who specializes in collecting relics. Epic Hypnotist
2. Starshatter and Birdrider - Winter Devotion, star crossed Australian runaways. Epic Lavalake
3. Jon - Jondesu, amazing with computers but absolutely useless when it comes to talking to people Reckoners Demolitions Expert
4. Mark - Mark IV Reckoners Sniper
5. Biff - Elenion, a street salesman in the wrong place at the wrong time
6. Sandra Kensington - Sami, weapons manufacturer with dark secret
7. Rashers - Majestic, a bacon-summoning Epic Hydroplane
8. Impulse - The Flash Black Market Arms Dealer
9. Shockwave - King Cole, Epic with a terrible singing voice
10. Matt - Shqueeves, orphan who never knew anything better
11. Anonymous - Alvron, The Collective will ensure you never know anything about him Informant
12. Silver Feather - Roadwalker Malcontent
13. Tammy - Rebecca, the accidental daughter of Obliteration ()
14. Amy Scott - Brightness Radiant, out of place punster Penitent Murderer
15. Nameless Character I - Drake Marshall Reckoners Coordinator
16. Annabelle - Lemonelon, an "engineer" Epic Stormwarden
17. Sol - Eternum Epic Tachyon
18. Lightwood - RippleGylf
19. Outblack - Hemalurgic_Headshot
20. Falchion - Elithanathile
21. Cranium - Frozen Mint Lover
22. Annoan - Megasif
23. Nameless Character II - Ecthelion III Grieving Lover
24. Pickle - asterion137, a small - time thief Detective
25. Altea Meza - Crimsn_Wolf, a petite young drifter
26. Fess - Arinian Thief

Edited September 2, 2017 by Seonid

[King Cole he/him]

Wow, only one person  died, I would have expected more.

[Seonid he/him]

 Forgot to put his items in

[Elenion he/him]

Darn, Drake saw through my false-retraction scam. I was hoping for it to be a bit more of a surprise when he was lynched.

Drake: What you did that alerted me was use false dichotomy. You said that you weren't Reckoner because you had a doc with Alv, but didn't address the possibility of both. Why would an actual neutral need a Fake ID, or be in contact with the role designed to inform about and to the Reckoners?

@Seonid Your vote tally shows Ripple and I voting on Mark, not Drake.

 

Also, someone Roleblocked me again. Not that they disrupted anything except an attempted PM to Ripple, but still. Not cool.

 

And finally, now that I'm fairly sure that the Reckoners are gone for good, here's the info that I've collected so far about the living players:

 

Len: Loyal Citizen. Both Reckoners have tried to cast doubt on that, but trust me, I'm what I say I am. I'm not even Balelight himself or something like that, just a vanilla.

Sami: Public-claimed Neutral, p.25. Seems very detached from the game, which from her seems like proof of her alignment.

Cole: Claimed Gravedigger. Although Drake was Reckoner, that doesn't mean that everything he said was a lie, so I think that Cole telling the truth is a safe assumption to make.

Shqueeves: I've got nothing about him.

Rebecca: Same deal. I've seen her viewing the thread a few times, though.

Ripple: Had an extra life, possibly from Ecth's Motion Detector, but I don't know how she would have got it. Claimed neutral.

HH: Drake said his role is benign, but that was coming from Drake so we can't trust it.

Elith: Practically-confirmed Black Market.

Megasif: Claimed neutral, assisted in the Mark lynch so likely not Reckoner.

 

Practically confirmed: Len, Elith

Probably truthful: Cole, Sami

Maybe neutral, maybe not: Ripple, HH, Megasif

No idea: Shqueeves, Rebecca

 

@Sami @Shqueeves @Rebecca @RippleGylf @Hemalurgic_Headshot @Megasif I'm not going to go all dictator and force everyone to claim a role, but if you do choose to claim than we can likely find ways to help you achieve your win con, in addition to narrowing down the search area for an SK, if there is one.

Edited September 2, 2017 by Elenion

[King Cole he/him]

I know that @Shqueeves had the power to PM me, but I know nothing about other people

[Rebecca she/her]

I have mentioned before that I am neutral, though I said it quickly, and really didn't go into it, so many may not have noticed. I am neutral, though. 

I don't really want to reveal my specific role, but a way you could help me achieve my win con is to tell me who you think may die next, if anyone (not lynch). 

Edited September 2, 2017 by Rebecca

[RippleGylf she/her]

Given the theming of the game as well as how other win cons have been worded, I'm guessing the goal of the SK is probably to eliminate all threats to their rule of the city, assuming they're some sort of Epic. As such, I don't think it is a wise idea to reveal everyone's role and win con, since that directly helps the SK locate their target(s). It narrows down the list of who is potentially a threat.

This, in addition to Drake's deathrattle post, leads me to believe that Elenion is the SK.

[Elenion he/him]

18 minutes ago, RippleGylf said:

Given the theming of the game as well as how other win cons have been worded, I'm guessing the goal of the SK is probably to eliminate all threats to their rule of the city, assuming they're some sort of Epic. As such, I don't think it is a wise idea to reveal everyone's role and win con, since that directly helps the SK locate their target(s). It narrows down the list of who is potentially a threat.

This, in addition to Drake's deathrattle post, leads me to believe that Elenion is the SK.

I'm fairly sure I can actually prove to everyone here that I'm not an SK, just from what we have seen in the thread.

1. As Drake said, for me to have been the SK, I would have had to have known the name of the Loyal Citizens faction at the beginning of the game for me to claim it.

2. If you assume that I'm not a Loyal Citizen, then I would have had to have known it from having a Fake ID.

3. We know from Drake's death that the Fake ID is an item.

4. We know that 3 turnovers ago, Elith targeted me with an item swapping ability, but he didn't get anything.

5. Therefore, we know that I wasn't packing a Fake ID at that time.

6. Because none of the other item takers died with the Fake ID, we know that nobody stole a Fake ID off of me before that time.

7. From #6 and #7, therefore, I never could have had a Fake ID.

8. Going off of that, I couldn't have learned the name of the Loyal Citizens from a Fake ID.

9. Ergo, the only way I could have known about the Loyal Citizens when I did was from seeing the name in my role PM.

[Shqueeves]

I've been unable to follow what has happened with any sort of attention, but I was summoned here twice in rapid succession, so here i am (at least, for a little bit). @Elenion, you asked me to claim, so claim I shall. I am a neutral player with the ability to make PMs (not that I've used it much) and will win by surviving and observing 3 people perform actions

[Hemalurgic Headshot he/him]

I am a Survivalist, and I suggest you do not attack me. Drake was right that my role is benign, and makes me trust Len less for his attempt to ignore that. If no one interferes with me we will get along fine.

[Elenion he/him]

10 hours ago, RippleGylf said:

Given the theming of the game as well as how other win cons have been worded, I'm guessing the goal of the SK is probably to eliminate all threats to their rule of the city, assuming they're some sort of Epic. As such, I don't think it is a wise idea to reveal everyone's role and win con, since that directly helps the SK locate their target(s). It narrows down the list of who is potentially a threat.

This, in addition to Drake's deathrattle post, leads me to believe that Elenion is the SK.

Now that I have more time on my hands, I'd like to say that you seem very convinced that there is an SK in this game. I don't think we've seen any evidence of that except speculation on Drake's part, and given his alignment that's hardly credible. He was likely attempting to find a target for us to search for other than the Reckoners. But back to my first point, Ripple seems to believe that there is an SK in the game despite a lack of evidence. Maybe she has a more credible source  about that than Drake: I think that if there is an SK it's her: SKs usually get an extra life, and she so far has had no explanation for her surviving that attack. She was quick to accuse Drake and quicker to accuse me, and I don't remember her having this itchy of a trigger finger in the past.

I'm not saying there's an SK in this game (I'm skeptical), but if there is one then I'm quite sure it's her.

[Megasif he/him]

Not a lot of catching up to do today. That makes it easier. 

So Elenion has been putting effort in trying to solve who is who.

He has to be a really determined SK if he has been doing all this and is evil. Now I'm not saying that's impossible, it is a possibility, but unlikely. At this point, I do not trust him completely because Ripple's suspicions do make some sense. 

Ripple, is there any other reason as to why your think Len is SK? 

If not, I think it's highly likely that you could be the SK.

Temporary. This is mostly because of the unexplained second Life that Len mentioned. I've been away so can't recall it. Ripple.

As for my alignment, I'm a kinda neutral like I said before. My win-con would affect one person from the current living players but I don't have any actions apart from voting. I don't think my death would benefit either the villagers or elims. But I will try to use the vote for the villager side (subject to me actually picking the right people to trust)

 

[RippleGylf she/her]

The thing that really makes me suspicious of Len is the fact that literally no one else has been a Loyal Citizen. As Drake pointed out before he died, while it is entirely possible that Len just happens to be the only Loyal Citizen, it seems rather strange that Seonid would only assign one person that role.

As far as the existence of an SK goes, if the Reckoners are all dead, why hasn't the game ended? There must be an SK or some similar role still out there.

22 hours ago, Elenion said:

I'm fairly sure I can actually prove to everyone here that I'm not an SK, just from what we have seen in the thread.

1. As Drake said, for me to have been the SK, I would have had to have known the name of the Loyal Citizens faction at the beginning of the game for me to claim it.

2. If you assume that I'm not a Loyal Citizen, then I would have had to have known it from having a Fake ID.

(I've been playing Phoenix Wright lately)

You wouldn't need to have a Fake ID to claim it, you would just have to know that the Fake ID exists, either from a PM or a Doc with someone who has it. I would lean towards the latter. As such, Len may not be the SK, but there is definitely something fishy going on. Maybe Len's a Malcontent? In any case, I find Len's claim to be highly questionable.

[Elenion he/him]

9 minutes ago, RippleGylf said:

The thing that really makes me suspicious of Len is the fact that literally no one else has been a Loyal Citizen. As Drake pointed out before he died, while it is entirely possible that Len just happens to be the only Loyal Citizen, it seems rather strange that Seonid would only assign one person that role.

As far as the existence of an SK goes, if the Reckoners are all dead, why hasn't the game ended? There must be an SK or some similar role still out there.

(I've been playing Phoenix Wright lately)

You wouldn't need to have a Fake ID to claim it, you would just have to know that the Fake ID exists, either from a PM or a Doc with someone who has it. I would lean towards the latter. As such, Len may not be the SK, but there is definitely something fishy going on. Maybe Len's a Malcontent? In any case, I find Len's claim to be highly questionable.

*sees Phoenix Wright GIF* LOL

As for the Loyal Citizen claim, you can't generalize what alignments exist in this game based on the alignments we know. That lost the village LG24 because they wouldn't believe that there was a Derethi team. In this game, for instance, if we didn't know Roadwalker was a Malcontent, and he was living and claimed it, nobody would believe him. I'm fairly sure that I'm the opposite of what Roadwalker was; he likely wanted to see Balelight fall, while I want to see Balelight triumph. Road's alignment is proof that single-person alignments exist, and his win con balances with mine.

You assert that I might be a Malcontent, but if I was I'd be the worst Malcontent ever. Without my pushing for answers, Mark wouldn't have outed himself and Drake wouldn't have acted as suspiciously in thread, and likely neither of them would have been lynched. Since the Malcontents most likely dislike the Epics, why would a Malcontent lay waste to a faction dedicated to killing Epics?

Your argument for an SK being alive has merit, but that doesn't mean that I'm it. You agree that I'm likely not SK, so who does that leave? For one, you. How did you survive that attack?

[Megasif he/him]

I want to take that vote off ripple. 

But...

How did you survive the attack?

And I would appreciate it if someone else can share their thoughts on this matter and join in on the vote. I don't feel like I should be the decider here.

@Hemalurgic_Headshot

What's that about your suspicion on Elenion? And why should you be left alone if you are a survivalist?

Edited September 3, 2017 by Megasif

[Elenion he/him]

1 hour ago, Megasif said:

I want to take that vote off ripple. 

But...

How did you survive the attack?

And I would appreciate it if someone else can share their thoughts on this matter and join in on the vote. I don't feel like I should be the decider here.

@Hemalurgic_Headshot

What's that about your suspicion on Elenion? And why should you be left alone if you are a survivalist?

He's a bit suspicious of me because during last cycle, Drake told everyone that his role was non-threatening. When I made my analysis this cycle--before HH roleclaimed--I disregarded Drake's claim about HH because we don't know if Drake was lying or not, and that made him suspicious of me because Drake turns out to have been telling the truth.

We should leave HH alone because he's not hurting anyone, and killing him would make him lose, so unless we have evidence of him being evil then we shouldn't mess up his win con.

Edit: @Sami you're on the Shard right now. What are your game thoughts?

Edited September 4, 2017 by Elenion

[RippleGylf she/her]

I survived because I have an ability similar to the one Crimsn claimed to have. I can survive one kill attempt.

My win con, verbatim, is to "survive until the end of the game." That's it. It's about as neutral as you can get.

I didn't realize that there was only one Malcontent. Having only one Loyal Citizen makes a lot more sense in that light, as far as game balance goes. Apologies, Elenion. That was honestly the main reason I was suspicious of you.

Edited September 4, 2017 by RippleGylf