Long Game 33: Life

[Amanuensis he/him]

Only comment I really have to add is that imo killing students in the crockery will cost us the game. We need to remove the Skindancers that are still in play, not the ones that might-as-well-be-dead

In order to progress we need both BR and Steph dead. Or at least the Skindancer between the two of them has to die first 

[Sparkrunner he/him]

Don't forget burnt. Never trust burnt. (If she is a skindancer we're all dead anyways, 'cause she is invincible.)

[Stick. she/her]

6 minutes ago, Amanuensis said:

In order to progress we need both BR and Steph dead. Or at least the Skindancer between the two of them has to die first 

Dat be the problem. Right now, all we can do is kill BR. Unless the Namer decides to help. But killing BR would still give us some info. Though if BR turns out to be the elim, all the better. 

4 minutes ago, Cluny the Scourge said:

Don't forget burnt. Never trust burnt. (If she is a skindancer we're all dead anyways, 'cause she is invincible.)

Even if Burnt is a skindancer, I'd still think one of Steph and BR is, too. But lol, if you think burnt is 'the namer' why are you suspicious of her?

[Elbereth she/her]

8 hours ago, Amanuensis said:

That's a good question. @Elbereth, @TheMightyLopen, @DroughtBringer: Do the Skindancers only need to kill players who have been elevated?

No. They need to kill all Students. You can be a student of the University even if you're not yet elevated. 

5 hours ago, BrightnessRadiant said:

@Elbereth @TheMightyLopen @DroughtBringer why was Cluny not expelled by aman's votes? 

Can't confirm anything except that that was not a mistake. 

[Sparkrunner he/him]

Uh... I was a master? Aman might not be at the uni?

[Amanuensis he/him]

I just got the answer. Elevations come before the Horns in the Order of Actions. 

Edited May 23, 2017 by Amanuensis

[queensteph she/her]

@BrightnessRadiant The reason I never mentioned it was because I didn't want you to have a headsup and get more protection. I didn't just keep it to myself though, I told Burnt.

I couldn't figure out a way that you could be innocent until I realized the "event" of the attack on stick involved you and Stick. So then I was like !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Because I had been suspicious of Stick for a while and never even suspected you until my Omen Recognition came up positive. And judging by your reaction to the info I feel like you are probably village since if I was in your position I'd probably be suspicious of me to for accusing you of being Elim when you know you're not. But it did come up positive and I haven't lied about anything.

I really feel like Stick is the Elim. Judging by the way BR reacted to my info I feel like she is innocent. I don't really know how to get people to trust me? I don't really think I've done anything to incriminate myself so feel free to analyze everything I've said. I'm really just trying to do my best here. If I was evil, why would I go through the trouble of framing BR when I could've just killed her? By setting her up to be killed, once she was dead and confirmed good them ALL of the suspicion would fall on me. So, no I'm not trying to frame BR I just legitimately thought she was evil because I couldn't see a way around it. But now that I realized that Stick is probably the evil one then my suspicions on BR are lowered. 

Also, I think Brightness asked me why I didn't vote on Cluny last cycle? I didn't because just having 2 votes on someone is enough to get them expelled so I didn't see how it mattered if I put in a vote too.

I would gladly have you guys kill me to prove my innocence but I don't really think that's the best thing right now since we need all the alive Students we can get.

I think it'd be best to kill Stick this turn and if she shows up innocent then you could kill us? If Stick is an Elim I think it would clear me and BR.

(I'll try to be active but it's my mom's bday so)

[BrightnessRadiant she/her]

Okay so I FINALLY fell asleep!! And now I'm back lol

Like steph said though it is our mom's bday so not gonna be on much.

I thought through what Burnt and steph have been saying about stick being involved in the omen recognition and I suppose it could be possible that it would show up positive for skindancer being involved if stick was one. I'm starting to feel more suspicious of stick now tbh. I wasn't really suspicious of steph before her declaration about the omen recognition so I'm inclined to reconsider that it might be stick after all...hmmm

That's good to know that we have more time than I thought since the GM confirmation that they'd have to kill ALL of the students not just the ones who were elevated..phew

I think I'm starting to agree with steph that attacking stick might be a better option...let me think through this.

 

[Amanuensis he/him]

Can we just kill all three of you? Seems like the easiest solution

[queensteph she/her]

@Amanuensis I don't want to die  If it comes down to it to help the students win the game then I would, but right now I think the best option is to kill stick!!

why do u want to kill us so bad when we could both be really helpful villagers 

[Amanuensis he/him]

Mostly because I've been gone most the game so I really don't know what's going on. And because I'm a better safe than sorry person right now. I have no idea who is what so if everyone dies than I know the Skindancers lost someone.  

[Burnt Spaghetti she/her]

Problem with killing stick-she can detain

[BrightnessRadiant she/her]

It's so close to the end of the game that just killing everyone isn't really a good option ...if stick is going to detain we'll just have to have multiple people using fae lore or nahlrout on her while we put in kills as well? I don't want to die either but I would sacrifice myself if we needed to prove something, but now that I'm more suspicious of stick I feel like it would be better to act on that suspicion.

I still can't figure out what happened exactly though? Maybe if Cluny or straw were trying to use the elim sabotage on me than stick's assassin could have gotten through? If there are only two skindancers it would make sense that they both targeted me and I blocked the sabotage with fae lore but an assassin got through....which means that whoever sent the assassin wasn't blocked.

I could see stick and HH's condemning each other in the thread as an act to clear the other once one was killed. Plus we don't have proof that stick helped send an assassin on HH other than she said she did. We know that arinian says he sent an assassin on HH..did anyone else too?

Edit: but also Cluny must have been in Imre otherwise my fae lore would have said it failed right?

Edited May 23, 2017 by BrightnessRadiant

[Sparkrunner he/him]

Or the skindancers could have not put in a kill... I thought they had to put in a kill until I saw this

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Skindancers can sabotage one person per turn.

So...

lol

Edited May 23, 2017 by Cluny the Scourge

[BrightnessRadiant she/her]

1 minute ago, Cluny the Scourge said:

Or the skindancers could have not put in a kill... I thought they had to put in a kill until I saw this

So...

It's true that they could have held off on the actual sabotage if they were trying to make someone look bad since us archivist's have been flinging fae lore around everywhere lol

[Stick. she/her]

6 hours ago, queensteph said:

 

I couldn't figure out a way that you could be innocent until I realized the "event" of the attack on stick involved you and Stick. So then I was like !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Because I had been suspicious of Stick for a while and never even suspected you until my Omen Recognition came up positive. And judging by your reaction to the info I feel like you are probably village since if I was in your position I'd probably be suspicious of me to for accusing you of being Elim when you know you're not. But it did come up positive and I haven't lied about anything.

I really feel like Stick is the Elim. Judging by the way BR reacted to my info I feel like she is innocent. I don't really know how to get people to trust me? I don't really think I've done anything to incriminate myself so feel free to analyze everything I've said. I'm really just trying to do my best here. If I was evil, why would I go through the trouble of framing BR when I could've just killed her? By setting her up to be killed, once she was dead and confirmed good them ALL of the suspicion would fall on me. So, no I'm not trying to frame BR I just legitimately thought she was evil because I couldn't see a way around it. But now that I realized that Stick is probably the evil one then my suspicions on BR are lowered. 

 

I think it'd be best to kill Stick this turn and if she shows up innocent then you could kill us? If Stick is an Elim I think it would clear me and BR.

The problem is, if you do kill me, and I turn out to be a villager, it would still mean either you or BR is an elim. Here's how I see this:

1) You're lying about the Omen Recognition thing, in which case you're the evil one

2) You're not lying and BR is the evil one.

(I'd guess the other elims are either Cluny or Burnt)

It still comes down to either you or BR. If possibility 1 is correct, I'd say you're stalling the game with killing me first. If possibility 2 is correct, then we need to kill BR this turn. I don't see how killing me would prove more useful?

4 hours ago, Burnt Spaghetti said:

Problem with killing stick-she can detain

^ and I have protection. I don't want the village to waste a turn on trying to kill me.

 

[Burnt Spaghetti she/her]

How i see it:

I'm willing to trust Steph. She has been nice to me :]

Therefore

Its a 50/50 chance that if we target one of stick or brightness, we'll hit an evil.

And you both have protection so either way we have to waste turns.

its just who do we kill first. If stick is good, we kill brightness next, and the same thing if we hit brightness first and shes good.

[Stick. she/her]

10 minutes ago, Burnt Spaghetti said:

Its a 50/50 chance that if we target one of stick or brightness, we'll hit an evil.

But I know that it's not a 50/50 chance bc I'm a townie D:

I don't understand why you trust Steph so much lel. I mean, you didn't even include her in this thingy:

10 minutes ago, Burnt Spaghetti said:

its just who do we kill first. If stick is good, we kill brightness next, and the same thing if we hit brightness first and shes good.

This is how it should be:

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its just who do we kill first. If Steph is good, we kill brightness next, same thing if we hit brightness first and shes good. And if neither are elims (which is very unlikely), we kill Stick.

 

Edited May 24, 2017 by _Stick_

[Burnt Spaghetti she/her]

Just now, _Stick_ said:

But I know that it's not a 50/50 chance bc I'm a townie D:

I don't understand why you trust Steph so much lel. I mean, you didn't even include her in this thingy:

This is how it should be:

 

But you're just putting yourself as the last possible option to kill! i call bias!

Also, stephs not expelled like the rest of us so. shes the hardest to kill out of the lot of you

[BrightnessRadiant she/her]

@Burnt Spaghetti haha I can't argue that I've been hounding you this game and steph hasn't, but that doesn't change the fact that I'm still a villager....I feel like this turn isn't gonna go well for the village unless we can work together.

If it means you can figure this out...I vote that you try to kill me.

I would prefer that we try to figure out who the actual elim is by some more analysis of the thread and our own opinions instead of just trying to play Russian roulette here, but if that's what it takes then ok.

Unless anyone can answer the questions I put forth earlier like:

1. Who helped kill HH if stick didn't?

2. Why didn't aman's votes count against Cluny if he really is at the uni? Is he lying? Or did someone move or cancel his votes somehow? The gms confirmed it was not a mistake that the votes weren't counted.

3. Why would Cluny go to Imre if he wasn't there to buy an assassin? He claims that he didn't have a lot of money. So what's the point in going there with no money and less protection?

4. What about straw possibly being evil cuz I blocked him too?

I'd also like to say @Straw @Paranoid King @Arinian (am I forgetting anyone?) Where are you guys??? 

I feel like we should really start doing a little more digging into the known elims posts and see what they said and who they accused/defended before we completely decide. But regardless we need to be a team now more than ever! Let's go village!  (the glory spren liked my speech lol)

[Stick. she/her]

14 minutes ago, BrightnessRadiant said:

1. Who helped kill HH if stick didn't?

I did

15 minutes ago, BrightnessRadiant said:

2. Why didn't aman's votes count against Cluny if he really is at the uni? Is he lying? Or did someone move or cancel his votes somehow? The gms confirmed it was not a mistake that the votes weren't counted.

Cluny's a master

 

[BrightnessRadiant she/her]

1 hour ago, _Stick_ said:

Cluny's a master

He wasn't yet when aman voted for him.

[Stick. she/her]

2 hours ago, BrightnessRadiant said:

He wasn't yet when aman voted for him.

Lo and behold

14 hours ago, Amanuensis said:

I just got the answer. Elevations come before the Horns in the Order of Actions. 

 

[Amanuensis he/him]

I'm a mixed bag of emotions, currently. I think my order of trust goes from (greatest to least) BR, Stick, Steph, based on their reactions to me suggesting they sacrifice themselves, with Stick and Steph being close enough that I'm not really sure which I should put last 

Honestly I'm starting to convince myself it's Stick again >> but I still don't have the time or focus to really analyze anything. Sorry I'm not more help, everyone (I literally haven't done anything this game lol)

Edited May 24, 2017 by Amanuensis

[Stick. she/her]

1 hour ago, Amanuensis said:

Honestly I'm starting to convince myself it's Stick again >> but I still don't have the time or focus to really analyze anything. Sorry I'm not more help, everyone (I literally haven't done anything this game lol)

It's okay, really. I analysed all my posts and found nothing suspicious, so its alright. 

But seriously, village, we're getting no where with this who-to-kill-first thing. At the end, I'm positive the ones with the kills will make their own choice anyway :-P