Long Game 33: Life

[Burnt Spaghetti she/her]

10 hours ago, BrightnessRadiant said:

Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

Okay please excuse my exuberance, but I just proved that Burnt is indeed a skindancer! You will have to take my word for it, but I would happily die if anyone wants to kill me so that you will FINALLY start listening to me! 

I used fae lore to target burnt last cycle and it blocked all of her actions, as she claimed herself in thread! And fae lore only blocks all of a person's actions if they are a skindancer!!! 

I literally did a happy dance when I read burnt's confession of being blocked! Hehehehehehe did you forgot about fae lore @Burnt Spaghetti (caught ya!)

Okay calming down down...

I also am suspicious of HH, and either steph, alvron, cluny, or stick. I know alv is in the crockery, but it looks like he went insane naturally, and I was suspicious of him before and I still am. Also alvron and stick both voted for PK who is pretty much cleared since in the writeup he was literally sabotaged by the skindancers...and then he helped us catch aonar when personally I didn't even suspect aonar before that. I think they were trying to get him to stop talking to people in PMs(which has been helpful) and also get him expelled so they can kill him.

For HH, I was going to do a read through of his entire posts but then i found stick's post where she just did a play by play on him and I was like oh thanks stick lol...so all I can say is that I've had a weird gut feeling about him for the whole game, and I also agree that having a physicker on the elim team is a smart move. Steph and HH haven't seemed like they've gotten along well in the thread, and I tend to think that one or the other is prob evil. (Or they are trying to make us think that, and are really teammate elims lol) I started being suspicious of HH when he told us not to take the turn one voting too seriously, but it WAS serious because as stick pointed out it really got several students in trouble.

For cluny I don't have much of a read other than early on in the game he stuck up for steph(who I'm kinda suspicious of too).

For steph...I kinda suspect a richer elim to have bought the other gram in imre cuz I was there a lot and it came available again, but someone bought it, and it wasn't me. (So maybe either HH, Steph, or PK bought it) Although at this point with so many students having been expelled for a while they could have saved up for it too.

I was suspicious of Arinian earlier in the game, but I've since had the feeling that he actually isn't an elim. (Not 100% or anything I just suspect the others more)

I will try to read back through the others posts and tell my thoughts on them some more.

But please please please listen to me about Burnt! 

*raises eyebrow 

I did not forget about fae lore.

Cause i was detained. 

if i was blocked by fae lore, id have been told that was why. And do you REALLY think id say so in thread if i was? Cause that would be suicide and im not that stupid. 

[BrightnessRadiant she/her]

1 hour ago, Burnt Spaghetti said:

*raises eyebrow 

I did not forget about fae lore.

Cause i was detained. 

if i was blocked by fae lore, id have been told that was why. And do you REALLY think id say so in thread if i was? Cause that would be suicide and im not that stupid. 

hmm I was curious as to how you'd respond 

I'm not sure how to tell if my fae lore actually worked on you...

You may be telling the truth and as I said before...I'm not going to tunnel.

I will step back and reconsider. I'm goin to bed now, but will be back tomorrow with a heap of analysis! The end is getting close! 

[Amanuensis he/him]

@Arinian, did your PM specifically say you were detained, too?

HH says he detained Alv. Stick says she detained no one. Steph says that Alv was not a Sympathist. So unless there's an Alchemy or Artificery power capable of redirecting an action used on Alv, someone is either lying or there's one-two more players capable of detaining others who have not spoken up yet.

If Physickers can reduce an allies insanity points, it does make a lot of sense for the Skindancers to go for it, although I hate killing players for their role alone. Can anyone tell me how soon Stick began suspecting HH? Did it come before or after he revealed what he was studying?

[Stick. she/her]

17 hours ago, BrightnessRadiant said:

So what if stick is blaming HH hoping to get rid of him and she knows burnt is outed so she says she thinks the other elims are burnt, alv and HH (just speculating) but maybe alv isn't actually evil either? I dunno...what if it could be burnt, stick, and steph?? (Just a theory)

I said "If what you're saying is right, I'd say the three remaining elims are Burnt, Alv and HH."

I'd still say those players are the elims if what you said is correct. Though now that Burnt has replied, the case is different.

17 hours ago, BrightnessRadiant said:

why did you vote for PK? He couldn't be elevated any more and expelling him would only put him in more danger.

That's the point of voting. To put people in danger.  

17 hours ago, BrightnessRadiant said:

Also you seemed suspicious of HH and yet you didn't vote for him and now he can still be elevated. Seems strange.

I did vote on him.

13 hours ago, queensteph said:

Stick could've targeted me since I am also Vintish, but he probably figured I wasn't in Imre since I got elevated instead of him last round. Stick Stick It'd be great for the Elims to throw Burnt under the bus by Stick saying he didn't put in an action and therefore making it seem like Brightness' Fae Lore is actually what blocked her. It's quite convenient actually, so now I'm somewhat suspicious of BR as well.

That's probable, except you've got the wrong person. I mean, the same can be said for HH.

10 hours ago, Burnt Spaghetti said:

if i was blocked by fae lore, id have been told that was why.

Just to be sure, @Elbereth @TheMightyLopen @DroughtBringer?

51 minutes ago, Amanuensis said:

HH says he detained Alv. Stick says she detained no one. Steph says that Alv was not a Sympathist. So unless there's an Alchemy or Artificery power capable of redirecting an action used on Alv, someone is either lying or there's one-two more players capable of detaining others who have not spoken up yet.

I've only gotten elevated in Physicking once, and since the chances of my physicking actions backfiring is too high, I haven't used my abilities at all. The other time I got elevated was in another field, I suspect steph would know since she used school records on me?

51 minutes ago, Amanuensis said:

Can anyone tell me how soon Stick began suspecting HH? Did it come before or after he revealed what he was studying?

tbh, I either didn't remember, or somehow missed HH's posts where he revealed to have been elevated in Physicking [it was through RP] until I did a re-read of all his posts.

[Amanuensis he/him]

Hmm. @queensteph, can you confirm what Stick has stated?

[Arinian]

1 hour ago, Amanuensis said:

@Arinian, did your PM specifically say you were detained, too?

HH says he detained Alv. Stick says she detained no one. Steph says that Alv was not a Sympathist. So unless there's an Alchemy or Artificery power capable of redirecting an action used on Alv, someone is either lying or there's one-two more players capable of detaining others who have not spoken up yet.

If Physickers can reduce an allies insanity points, it does make a lot of sense for the Skindancers to go for it, although I hate killing players for their role alone. Can anyone tell me how soon Stick began suspecting HH? Did it come before or after he revealed what he was studying?

Yes, it's says that I was detained.

[Amanuensis he/him]

10 minutes ago, Arinian said:

Yes, it's says that I was detained.

Okay, okay. Huh. I was going to wait for Steph to respond, but I'm not sure if it matters. My pet theory right now is that the Skindancers were Aonar/Stink/Alv/HH/Steph. It seems like a pretty solid team for me. My only question is, if Alv and HH are Skindancers, would it be possible for Alv to go insane naturally?

[Stick. she/her]

Why Steph?

9 minutes ago, Amanuensis said:

if Alv and HH are Skindancers, would it be possible for Alv to go insane naturally?

I think it is

[Amanuensis he/him]

22 minutes ago, _Stick_ said:

Why Steph?

I think it is

If HH was lying about who he detained, there's no way that Burnt and Arin could have also been detained unless Alv was a Sympathizer. Steph said he was 1:1 Alchemy and Artificery, so she has to be lying. I just realize now that HH could be a student in this scenario, though, so never mind on that... I mostly chose him because something about your previous post made me want to give you the benefit of the doubt.

Plus, there's the fact Steph is voting for you / didn't mention you've been elevated in anything other than Physicks. So that was a part of my trusting you over HH.

What are the odds of a third Physicker? Are there any players who we don't have claims for?

[BrightnessRadiant she/her]

1 hour ago, _Stick_ said:

That's the point of voting. To put people in danger.  

Ummm not when he's basically confirmed good...Also I just went and looked and you did vote for HH too (I missed that somehow).

Okay so if it does actually inform you when you were "detained" then it would look like burnt is probably telling the truth...cuz she claimed to have been detained before I mentioned using fae lore. (My action didn't say it failed though so I thought it must have worked on a skindancer...it just said I used far lore on burnt and then she said she was detained so I figured she just thought she had been detained cuz all of her actions were cancelled but if it directly notifies you then I guess I just hit her the same turn has someone else )

But that would mean either stick or HH are lying about who they used physicking on right? I don't know if there could really be another one out there? Either way something seems off about the discussion this turn..but what? 

I'm glad that at least the discussion has made everyone talk about who they are suspicious of even if they aren't at the uni. Cuz we need to start looking at how to win this thing and a lot of our past turn discussions have been primarily who to expel. 

Edit: didn't see aman's post and he asked about another physicker too hmm

Edited May 18, 2017 by BrightnessRadiant

[Sparkrunner he/him]

I m going to throw a vote on both Stick and HH. I think tey are the best chance we have of finding skinnies right now. That, or some mysterious other physicker. (Someone who studied in one field for a while, then studyied in phyzicking.)

Also-- BLAST YOU AND BURN YOUU EVERYONE IN THIS GAME I READ KINGKILLR ALL OVYESTERDAY AND ALL NIGHT LONG AND NOW I CANT EVEN THINK STRAIGHT AND IM NOT EVEN DONE WITH THE SERCOND BOOK AND BRUN YOU!

[Stick. she/her]

What good will roleblocking/expelling me do though

17 minutes ago, Cluny the Scourge said:

BLAST YOU AND BURN YOUU EVERYONE IN THIS GAME I READ KINGKILLR ALL OVYESTERDAY AND ALL NIGHT LONG AND NOW I CANT EVEN THINK STRAIGHT AND IM NOT EVEN DONE WITH THE SERCOND BOOK AND BRUN YOU!

nice  

[BrightnessRadiant she/her]

Okay so here is the list of all the elevations and when they happened(maybe we can get a clue from this):

Term 2 month 1:

Steph- archives

PK- unknown

Burnt - unknown

Orlok - sympathy

Alvron- unknown (something that would cause insanity)

Cluny- unknown

Eohl- unknown

Stink- Linguistics

Sart- unknown

(Notes on this turn- all nine fields are present)

Term 2 Month 2:

Aonar- Naming

Arinian- Arithmetics

Drake- artificiery

Jondesu- unknown

HH- physicking?

Joe- unknown

Orlok- Sympathy

Stink- Linguistics

(Notes- one field is missing. A name was used. PK went insane. DA died. I wasn't elevated and I had EP in rhetoric and Archives so those fields are still present. Looks like the only field missing is alchemy.)

Term 3 Month 1:

Arinian- Arithmetics

Aonar- Naming

Brightness- Rhetoric & Logic

Eohl- unknown

Joe- unknown

Jondesu- unknown

Orlok- Sympathy

Ornstein- Physicking

(Notes- only 8 fields again. A name was used. Randuir died. PK broke out of the crockery. Arinian, Drake, and Straw were all expelled.)

Term 3 Month 2: 

Alvron- unknown(prob something worth IP again)

Burnt- unknown

Cluny- unknown

HH- Physicking?

Sart- unknown

Stick- unknown or Physicking ( she claims to have been elevated in two fields, but this is the only time it says she was elevated in the writeups)

Stink- Linguistics

(Notes-HH and Stick both claim physicking and they were both elevated here. Steph says she scanned stick as being a physicker. This was Stick's only elevation. Assassin and Ornstein both died. Joe, Sart, and Orlok all went insane. No one was expelled. Only 7 fields are present. A name was used. I wasn't elevated and had EP in rhetoric and Archives so those fields are still present.)

Term 4 Month 1:

Alvron- unknown

Burnt- unknown

Brightness- Archives

Cluny- unknown

HH- Physicking?

(Notes- Only five fields are present. Wilson died on the streets. Silver broke out of the crockery. Aonar and Burnt were both expelled. No names were used.)

Term 4 Month 2:

Brightness- Archives

HH- Physicking? (This makes four elevations so he is a master now!)

(Notes- Only two fields are present. Drake died. Brightness was expelled. No names were used.)

Term 5 Month 1:

Steph- unknown

(Only one field is present. HH doesn't need to be elevated since he is a master. Steph is one away from master. PK was expelled. No names were used.)

I think this is everything I know about it so far. Phew that took forever. 

Edited May 18, 2017 by BrightnessRadiant

[Stick. she/her]

12 minutes ago, BrightnessRadiant said:

Stick- unknown or Physicking ( she claims to have been elevated in two fields, but this is the only time it says she was elevated in the writeups)

T5M1: 

Quote

Stick and Steph were elevated!

:-P

edit: HH

Edited May 18, 2017 by _Stick_

[queensteph she/her]

17 hours ago, queensteph said:

I don't see why. A physicker could've used Medica Detainment on her since they know she's rich/in Imre so it would keep them from taking a hit from her. HH or Stick could be lying about who they targeted. I'm pretty sure one of them is evil I'm just not sure who. @ students please be active. we could really use your help and any analysis is welcome.

I'm leaning more towards Stick being the Elim rather than HH. Stick could've targeted me since I am also Vintish, but he probably figured I wasn't in Imre since I got elevated instead of him last round. Stick Stick It'd be great for the Elims to throw Burnt under the bus by Stick saying he didn't put in an action and therefore making it seem like Brightness' Fae Lore is actually what blocked her. It's quite convenient actually, so now I'm somewhat suspicious of BR as well.

@Amanuensis I did say that Stick was elevated in another field, just in a roundabout way.

[Amanuensis he/him]

Honestly, I'm confused >> but I do feel that either Stick or Steph have to be evil, and maybe HH too. The fact that no one has come forward about detaining Burnt or Arin means that one of the three aren't being honest, and it's very possible that Steph and HH are both lying to confuse us long enough for them to pull a win, or maybe for Alv to escape, although I don't think they'll be able to pull it off. I guess I would advocate that HH or Stick get killed by any means possible. If one flips village than we just remove the other. Otherwise move onto Steph if the game doesn't end. Although I will say I am very unsure about Cluny. I trust Burnt and Arin for being detained, although it's possible that Burnt was role blocked by Fae Lore and knew that claiming detainment quickly would implicate the Physickers / give her an excuse. I trust Brightness because I don't think she would have reacted the way she did if she were actually a Skindancer. I also trust PK because he was sabotaged, but I feel the need to ask: is it possible to arrange a break out? Or increase chances? Because it's possibly a form of WGG

[Paranoid King he/him]

With all the flexibility of naming, I'm sure it's possible to break someone else out of the crockery. I don't think you could do it through other fields or roles, though.

[Amanuensis he/him]

PK, I can't recall you saying much this turn. Any thoughts?

[Stick. she/her]

@Amanuensis As I said in one of my posts in the previous cycles, I'm pretty sure Cluny's a villager. He almost dropped out of this game for the QF 

[Amanuensis he/him]

Okay. I'll not worry about him too much right now. Everyone who sees this, if you could kill two people right now, who would they be and why?

I would choose HH and Steph for previously stated reasons

[Amanuensis he/him]

I'm voting HH HH. I have a feeling that he didn't detain Alv, but someone else, and that Alv was the one who sabotaged Jon. The alternative might be that Steph Sabotaged Jon last night, but I'm leaning this one.

EDIT: Sorry for the DP, in a rush. Got to go. Gut is telling me the mercs are finally going to kill me. 

Edited May 18, 2017 by Amanuensis

[Stick. she/her]

3 minutes ago, Amanuensis said:

I'm voting HH HH. I have a feeling that he didn't detain Alv, but someone else, and that Alv was the one who sabotaged Jon. The alternative might be that Steph Sabotaged Jon last night, but I'm leaning this one.

EDIT: Sorry for the DP, in a rush. Got to go. Gut is telling me the mercs are finally going to kill me. 

Put in a lodging order?

[Sparkrunner he/him]

Can someone get an analysis up on me?

[queensteph she/her]

@Amanuensis I'm genuinely confused as to why you're suspicious of me ? I have been suspicious of HH for a while (because of his Field) and then I switched to Stick because of her field/she voted on PK/and I think I had another reason but I don't remember lol. Anyways I hired an assassin to kill Aonar (wouldn't have wasted my money on that if I was a Skindancer), The cycle before Stink died I even said I was suspicious of him, and I've been trying to help this whole time and have given all of the helpful info I have in the thread. I'm pretty positive that either Stick/HH is evil (or both honestly) and I just chose to vote Stick. Also Archives isn't even very helpful to the Elims besides researching to find out who has what ability. OH I just remembered the other reason why I'm suspicious of Stick is because she has school records and I feel like she probably didn't put any more EP into Archives after she got that ability and that's why I was elevated again this turn. 

[Stick. she/her]

I've been in imre for the last few turns. 

Edit: also,I doubt HH and I would vote on each other if both of us were skindancers.

Edited May 18, 2017 by _Stick_