Long Game 33: Life

[Sparkrunner he/him]

Can an assassin be held multiple turns?

Edited May 22, 2017 by Cluny the Scourge

[BrightnessRadiant she/her]

5 hours ago, Cluny the Scourge said:

Can an assassin be held multiple turns?

you have to use it as soon as you pay for it...but if it fails you can send it out as many turns as it takes to successfully attack someone

[BrightnessRadiant she/her]

I'm suspicious of Cluny so here is analysis on all of his posts:

1.RP/ Says he should be active for most of the game. Says he can usually win a bluff, but that it might be harder with Sanderfans lol/ Wants to know if an expelled person can be sent to the crockery or if a person in the crockery can be expelled.

2. RP

3. RP/ Votes for HH and PK on Term 2: Month 1

4. Says the Steph bandwagon is suspicious.

5. Clarifies that an Aturan noble could have bought a gram (when everyone was suspecting the Vintish of being the only ones able to buy one that early in the game)

6. Says that Arithmetics can't harm elims except for black market stuff...and then realizes that is dangerous lol

7. Says to be careful when looking at game rules or google docs cuz of some virus or something?? (his link wouldn't load for me)

8. Says to feel free to vote on him so he can play QF

9. Sniffs at something stick said lol

10. Going to costco 

11. Votes for Arinian cuz of the "extortive" post everyone was raging about

12. poker cat meme (says arinian is bluffing in his last post)

13. asks someone to spy on arinian's pms

14. RP

15. asks for Aonar's thoughts on Stick's post where she said that expelling Aonar wasn't enough but that we should arrange for a kill as well.

16. asks for GM confirmation on whether the elims were chosen at random

17. wants little wilson to explain her vote on me (biased village read for this one lol)

18. RP/ Says that one of the people in the crockery is prob an elim

19. votes on me for saying that the elims probably wouldn't go in the crockery on purpose but then removes it cuz he says he thinks i'm a villager based on my previous posts

20. wants rich people to vote on him

21. says he wants Burnt to vote on him

22. asks if he can pickpocket on a vote (that explains why he wanted the rich people to vote on him lol)

23. quotes a pickpocketing rule from the game rules

24. Asks about custom emojis/ joking with HH about stuff

25. lots of custom emojis

26. says no one voted on him that turn

27. says that last time he was in Imre the assassins were priced over 20 talents/ agrees with Stick's analysis about HH/ says that an Aturan noble still needs tuition reduction to afford stuff in Imre. (not that much though)

28. asks if the dice decide which offensive actions come first/ says that someone doing the sabotaging on Term 5 Month 1 were probably expelled or murdered.

Ok so i had to eat dinner in between doing this analysis so it isn't complete but the turn is almost over and this is as far as i got before i ran out of time... I hope it's helpful.

[Elbereth she/her]

11 hours ago, _Stick_ said:

Also,

@Elbereth if someone's attacked twice in one turn,will the writeup mention that?

Not necessarily. (If I include it in the writeup, it's likely that that person was attacked multiple times. But I won't say definitively yes because I'm not certain that I've been consistently accurate with how many attacks hit a person.)

Term 6 is over. Do not post or PM.  Term 7 will be posted in six hours. 

[Sparkrunner he/him]

No little "-Village re d" "-Elim read" "-OH $#%& HE'S $%&*#$% EVIL READ" or anything? Also- I am scared of those notes. I feel violated. Someone has been recording my every movement.

25 minutes ago, BrightnessRadiant said:

says that an Aturan noble still needs tuition reduction to afford stuff in Imre. (not that much though)

If I lodged at the GP, I would gain about a talent or two per turn. If I lower my tuition a bunch, I make about eight. I have made mostly eight the whole time, plus the original 13 talents, gives me enough, but I would have to wait a long time if I only got a talent or so per turn.

[Elbereth she/her]

LG33: Term 7, Month 1 - Friendship

Eolah and Ryth huddled together in the cold, trying to breathe in as much of each other’s warmth as they were able. 

“What’re you doing in my corner?” a voice drawled from above them.

Eolah looked up first. “We’ve been in this corner for the past week, sir, and never seen you?”

The mercenary picked her up by the throat. “Is that insolence I’m hearing?”

“N-no s-sir,” she tried to choke out.

Ryth came to his feet. “Let her go!” he demanded. She’d been the only one to show him kindness since he broke out, the only friend he could remember. 

The merc looked down. “Why should I?”

Ryth hesitated, looking small. “Because... because she’s my friend?” 

The mercenary laughed. “Fine, then.” He tossed Eolah against the wall. Ryth heard a crack and gasped. 

Still laughing, the mercenary drew his sword and skewered Ryth, too. “How’s that for friendship, filthy little beggar?”

Ryth staggered and fell atop Eolah, whose blood was already beginning to pool in the alleyway. 

“Goodbye,” she whispered weakly. 

“Goodbye, friend,” he responded. They died in the same moment, friends to the last breath.

---

Amelia ran. I’m alive. I’m alive, I’m alive, I’m not dead, I’m alive! The streets were dark around her, but she was nearly laughing. She wasn’t sure whether that was exhilaration or hysteria. 
 
She’d seen the stroke headed for her. The glint of deadliness about to plunge into her neck- but it’d been stopped. She was saved. She was alive!
 
She slid to a halt, panting. Running out of a tavern away from anyone who could help probably hadn’t been the best idea.
 
She looked around her.
 
Particularly when you not only run away, but end up somewhere and have absolutely no idea where you are... 
 
She shivered, but at least there was no sign of an assassin around. Or, indeed, anyone. 
 
With nothing better to do, she sat down to wait for morning. 
 

---

Eolhondras and Silverblade were killed by Mercenaries! They were Students, and Eol had studied in Artificery!
BR was attacked (by an Assassin), but didn’t die! 
EDIT: Cluny was elevated!

Term 7 has begun. You have 42 hours to send in actions. 

Player List
1. Queensteph - Vintish Noblewoman 
2. Randuir (Telar Pike) - Yllish Commoner Student 
3. Hemalurgic Headshot (Noremac Quwester) - Aturan Nobleman Skindancer Master Physicker 
4. Aonar (Aodhan Breacadh) - Edema Ruh Skindancer in Naming
5. Wilson (Sloan Walker) -  Cealdish Commoner Student
6. Straw (Medicus Novis) - Yllish Commoner
7. Paranoid King (William Opuscule) - Yllish Commoner
8. Ornstein (John Springer) - Aturan Nobleman Student in Physicking
9. Jondesu (Vell) - Yllish Commoner Insane
10. Drake Marshall (Greyson) - Cealdish Commoner Student in Physicking
11. Assassin in Burgundy (Jurdaan Longfell) -  Yllish Commoner Student
12. Burnt Spaghetti (Dele Fajro) - Vintish Noblewoman
13. Orlok (Locke Alveron) - Cealdish Commoner Insane
14. Magestar (Magestar) - Vintish Nobleman Insane
15. Alvron (Stryker Nox) - Cealdish Commoner Insane
16. Arinian (Darian) - Aturan Nobleman
17. Stick (Stick) - Aturan NobleStick
18. Darkness Ascendant (Balthazar Myrrh) - Yllish Commoner Student
19. Cluny the Scourge (Cluny) - Aturan Nobleman
20. Silverblade (Ryth) - Cealdish Commoner Student
21. Amanuensis (Esuan) - Yllish Commoner
22. BrightnessRadiant (Amelia) - Aturan Noblewoman
23. Eolhondras (Eolah) - Yllish Commoner Student
24. STINK - Yllish Commoner Skindancer in Linguistics
25. Hael (Glavion) - Edema Ruh Insane
26. Sart (Titud) - Edema Ruh Insane
27. Joe (Chalks) - Yllish Commoner Insane

Edited May 27, 2017 by Alvron

[BrightnessRadiant she/her]

Noooooooooooo! Why were you on the streets! *crying for lost villagers 

Ugh that's sad and annoying..

I have good news though! I finally wasn't blocked! I used fae lore on Cluny and straw and there was no sabotage! So I'm guessing it was one or the other who tried to put in the elim order! If Cluny is at the uni still than it was straw but if Cluny went to imre last cycle (to buy an assassin perhaps) than he could have been blocked by fae lore...hmm except than his assassin would have been blocked too...either way I'm pretty sure it's one of them!

I wanted to give my opinions on cluny's posts last cycle but I ran out of time...I get the strange feeling that he's been trying oddly hard to save up a lot of money in this game. First he studied in arithmetics when he was already an aturan noble. Then he tries to get his tuition down by role playing and voting etc. Then he tries to see if he can pickpocket nobles when they vote on him. He then successfully pickpockets steph. The assassin prices were insanely high last cycle so I feel like it would have been someone with a lot of money who wanted me dead. So either money loving Cluny or someone else with lots of cash. And that would leave a different skindancer to put in the elim sabotage but I may have blocked them( *cough straw *cough). So we may still have two skindancers who aren't in the crockery after all! 

Did anyone else block people?

Edit: well it's been an hour since I posted, but no one else has posted so I don't want to double post...

I just realized something...my fae lore on Cluny would have said it failed if he had been at the university. (Cuz it failed when I used it on HH when he was at the uni cuz I'm an expelled student) But it didn't fail on Cluny. So he must have been in Imre...but he couldn't have attacked me with an assassin if he was a skindancer cuz his actions would have been cancelled. hmm. Can anyone else figure this out?

Also Cluny is a master now! 

Edit #2: okay so is it possible that the skindancers tried to hit me with two assassins AND the elim sabotage because they knew I had a gram but I ended up blocking both Cluny and straw so only one assassin got through? (Wow I feel either really paranoid or really egocentric lol)...just sayin is it possible that we still have 3 skindancers among us?

Edited May 23, 2017 by BrightnessRadiant

[queensteph she/her]

Two turns ago I used Omen Recognition on the attack against Stick, which Brightness admitted to sending an assassin on him, and it turned up as Skindancer Activity. 

The Skindancer's sabatoge that round was on Brightness, so I'm a bit thrown for a loop. 

But I don't believe that anyone else attacked Stick so I have a ton of suspicion towards Brightness. I was pretty positive she was an Elim since learning that Stick's attack was caused by Fae. So I had Burnt send an assassin on Brightness. (since I wasn't in Imre) I didn't mention it in the thread last turn because I didn't want BR to have a headsup that she would be attacked, but she bought a gram anyways. I also PM'd Stick to find out whether she even had enough protection the turn she was attacked to even protect against 2 attacks, but she didn't respond with the code I gave for her to use in thread (since she can't respond in PMs) and only asked Elbereth in thread if the writeup would clarify on how many times someone was attacked.

I feel that possibly Brightness and Cluny are working together in this.

I used Fae Lore on BR this turn and so if their sabatoge was blocked because of it then it'd be easy for her to rush in and just attribute it on her own Fae Lore. It would mean sacrificing Cluny but then it would basically clear her and she could continue on doing her evilness and possibly win the game for her team. And she may have actually blocked Straw but he hasn't been active I don't think so if she was lying I doubt he'd see it anyways. (Is he insane ? I can't remember rn)

Can anyone make any more sense from this information than I have???

[Amanuensis he/him]

Alright, I still haven't thoroughly read the rules so my understanding of this situation isn't the best. But this is what I understand:

BR is saying she used Fae Lore on Cluny and Straw, and lo and behold, there was no sabotage. She thinks it's because one of them is evil.

Steph is claiming that the attack on Stick was determined to be from the Skindancers, which BR openly admitted to in thread that day. Therefore she is suspicious of BR.

Theoretically, either BR has to be evil or Steph does. I don't think there is a way that they can both be innocent with this information. If Steph is evil, then it's possible that either Cluny and Straw are as well and she's trying to cover for them. If BR is evil than Cluny and Straw are very likely innocent.

My recommendation: Brightness and Steph, let us kill you. If you just one of you dies this turn, the village has to do no guess work. I know that after all your hard work you probably want to survive this, but here's the thing. Can you honestly expect the Skindancer to just let themselves die? No. But if you are village and do, then it becomes clear that the other player is evil and the remaining villagers can focus all of their resources on removing them. Otherwise we delay the game longer and give the Skindancers time to pull out a win.

What do you two think? Are either of you willing to die for the greater good?

[BrightnessRadiant she/her]

Okay what??! I guess this fills in my missing skindancer question!! Steph is totally lying about the omen recognition showing signs of a fae!! Looks like the failed attempt to get rid of me has forced her to try a different tactic! There's a problem with your theory @queensteph ..why would I admit openly to attacking stick if I was a skindancer??! I would have to be pretty dumb. And why would you wait to reveal the info about using omen recognition until now if you "saw" something like that??

Okay I was trying to sleep but the thoughts were tumbling around in my head so I had to get back on when I read Steph's comments I was a little shocked tbh. I was beginning to suspect burnt again but it looks like it was steph.

Here is my theory and thoughts:

1. Steph had burnt attack me, and then Cluny and straw did as well.

2. Steph didn't want to leave the uni to buy an assassin cuz then she would be vulnerable to be blocked by one of us students who were expelled so she asked burnt to do it...since no villager would try to block burnt after she was pretty much cleared last turn.

3. Cluny had to leave the uni to buy an assassin but I used far lore on him.

4. Straw or steph put in the elim sabotage. 

5. If stick was evil she would have detained me so I couldn't use fae lore to block the elims attacks, and she could also send an assassin on me. So she's cleared in my mind.

6. Aman said that he thinks the remaining elims are steph and Cluny so if they attacked him they would look more suspicious. (I feel like he is a villager)

7. PK was sabotaged early on and later told everyone that aonar was a skindancer so I trust him.

8. Burnt was attacked which could have been the elim sabotage. But she had a bodyguard and a gram apparently (who does that lol), so she could have taken a hit by a fellow elim to make herself look more innocent. She could have lied about sending an anonymous courier to steph making herself look like she wasn't blocked by Steph's supposed "fae lore" on her. So I'm starting to wonder if Burnt IS evil. Why would burnt go along with Steph's plans to attack me when it was confirmed in the writeup that I was the elim sabotage attempt??

9. While reading back through a lot of the thread I feel like arinian is prob a villager. If Cluny is evil than he wouldn't want another arithmetic person around. And he could be dangerous to the elims in Imre. But he could have been using nahlrout on me earlier to stop my fae lore attempts? I kinda doubt it though.

If there are 3 elims left then it is 6 to 3 right now since we lost two villagers to the mercs. That would mean this could very well be the last round. If steph can convince everyone to attack me again then that would mean she, Cluny, and straw/burnt/ whoever the third elim is would be free to attack 3 other players this turn. Bringing the count down to 3 to 2 skindancers. If they couldn't get them all this turn because of people's bodyguards etc. then they could get rid of the rest on the next. Either way this could be the last cycle. Wait!! I just went back and looked at the rules and it says that the skindancers just have to get rid of all of the arcanists to win! That doesn't include the students who have never been elevated right? Like aman and straw? So really they just have to get rid of me, Burnt,(if she is good), arinian, and stick right?

I'm seriously freaking out here people! They are going for the finish! Help!

Edit: ninja'd by @Amanuensis

Okay I would totally say yes please kill me so that you could see I am telling the truth but what if it's true that they only have to get rid of all of the people who have been elevated?! Isn't that kind of risky? Hmmm thinking about it though it would still leave stick, arinian, and burnt to be the other arcanists and they probably have pretty good protection. So yes! If it will help us win please kill me!! My hard work wouldn't be in vain!

Edited May 23, 2017 by BrightnessRadiant

[Amanuensis he/him]

That's a good question. @Elbereth, @TheMightyLopen, @DroughtBringer: Do the Skindancers only need to kill players who have been elevated?

Also, Brightness. If Steph is evil but still in the university, what actions do you think she took? It would make the most sense for her to do the sabotage, as she could not be blocked by you or Stick, but she could easily drive anyone else insane. That's the main thing I'm having trouble figuring out right now.

[Burnt Spaghetti she/her]

The other option is. Omen Recognition... it just says if the action involved any fae doesnt it? Could it possibly mean that stick could be the evil one as being attacked, that makes her involved?

Atm im trusting steph because 1- she knows what i studied, 2- her actions declared me as village.

And brightness, just because you were hit by a sabotage doesnt mean your cleared. Someone could have redirected your sabotage to yourself. Or it could be a wgg attempt.

Also the fact you keep trying to turn the village against me throughout this game makes me less inclined to trust you

If you really dont trust me, fae lore me again. Ill send you a curiour message. If you get it, that would confirm me to you, since you dont believe steph. Well. Unless of course stick is evil and she detains me. In which case shed better keep detaining me after that cause if im detained again, ill kill her

 

In anycase. At least one of steph, stick and brightness is evil imo. Im inclined to believe its not steph whos evil but *shrugs*

[Amanuensis he/him]

I'm somewhat inclined to agree with you, Burnt. I can't parse why Steph would not use the sabotage if she were evil. It really makes no sense for her not too. Meanwhile Brightness is expelled and has limited targets...

Edit: I guess it could have been an attempt to frame. Like, she deliberately not uses it to make the player she "Fae Lores" to look bad. Hence why I'd be happy with both dying. Less guess work, more information.

Edited May 23, 2017 by Amanuensis

[BrightnessRadiant she/her]

2 minutes ago, Burnt Spaghetti said:

The other option is. Omen Recognition... it just says if the action involved any fae doesnt it? Could it possibly mean that stick could be the evil one as being attacked, that makes her involved?

Atm im trusting steph because 1- she knows what i studied, 2- her actions declared me as village.

And brightness, just because you were hit by a sabotage doesnt mean your cleared. Someone could have redirected your sabotage to yourself. Or it could be a wgg attempt.

Also the fact you keep trying to turn the village against me throughout this game makes me less inclined to trust you

If you really dont trust me, fae lore me again. Ill send you a curiour message. If you get it, that would confirm me to you, since you dont believe steph. Well. Unless of course stick is evil and she detains me. In which case shed better keep detaining me after that cause if im detained again, ill kill her

 

In anycase. At least one of steph, stick and brightness is evil imo. Im inclined to believe its not steph whos evil but *shrugs*

The thing about sending an anonymous courier though is that it isn't fool proof....if I used fae lore on you then you could just have an elim teammate send an anonymous courier for you right? And then you could claim to not have been blocked. It just looks good but it's not really proof.

@Amanuensis I'm not sure what action she could have taken either. I'm still trying to figure this out. I suppose she could have held off on putting in the elim sabotage so that it would look like straw or Cluny had been blocked when I used fae lore on them? Ack ninja'd by you again lol

[Amanuensis he/him]

Honestly both really just need to die >> although Cluny being a Master now makes me a little nervous.

My recommendation is that whichever one of you is village, you use the last of your money either on an assassin against the other, or bodyguards for players you think are good. Also if you can Fae Lore Cluny that would be great as well, since I'm still unsure about him.

[BrightnessRadiant she/her]

Personally I was going back and forth on using my money for protection for others or an assassin on someone I suspect but since I can't really attack steph or Cluny then I might as well go for protection for others.

If cluny's assassin was blocked by me then he still has it and he can use it from the safety of the university on this turn.  I only have one more protection from my gram so two hits should do it.

If steph, cluny, and burnt are all evil and if they only need to kill all of the "arcanists" to win then it will just be down to stick and arinian if I die. 

Honestly if steph puts in the elim kill on me and Cluny uses his assassin then I'm dead anyways...bleh

At least then maybe y'all can do something about it! But it will be very close!

I just had another scary thought...I've been trying to figure out what Burnt was elevated in for the whole game because she's one of my only unknowns on my list...if she is an alchemist and has bone tar(she is an El'the) than she could have the ability to destroy any residence! If everyone is staying in the grey man to try and buy assassins for two turns then she could get ALL of the rest of the arcanists with one hit right?!  

[Burnt Spaghetti she/her]

I will say one thing. 

Ignoring the fact i know what i am, if i was evil, it would be very unlikely steph was too.

Vintish are the richest, which gives them quite an advantage as they are the ones best able to afford assassins. Which is powerful in a game without many kills availible to the village. For this reason, it seems very broken if 2 of 3 vintish are skindancers. 1 evil vintish is scary enough. 2 is deadly. The skindancers would start the game with much more of an advantage. In lg18 the skindancers didnt even have any vintish. Aturans, sure, but not vintish.

[BrightnessRadiant she/her]

41 minutes ago, Burnt Spaghetti said:

I will say one thing. 

Ignoring the fact i know what i am, if i was evil, it would be very unlikely steph was too.

Vintish are the richest, which gives them quite an advantage as they are the ones best able to afford assassins. Which is powerful in a game without many kills availible to the village. For this reason, it seems very broken if 2 of 3 vintish are skindancers. 1 evil vintish is scary enough. 2 is deadly. The skindancers would start the game with much more of an advantage. In lg18 the skindancers didnt even have any vintish. Aturans, sure, but not vintish.

I thought that too until the GMs confirmed that the elims were chosen randomly...but if I had to pick only one of you to be evil at this point it would be steph cuz she is apparently doing her best to frame me right now 

Edit: to avoid double posting lol

How come no one but aman voted last turn? He voted for Cluny twice and nothing happened. @Amanuensis you're not actually at the uni are you? If you were I would ask for you to try and expell steph or Cluny. Since steph did cast suspicion on Cluny last cycle but then didn't even vote for anyone I'd say that looks pretty suspicious. She "voted" for HH but then removed her votes because she said she realized it was actually Cluny who was about to become a master and yet she didn't vote for him. If steph and Cluny are both skindancers and are the only ones at the uni???!!! I wanna go play sad music rn. 

Edited May 23, 2017 by BrightnessRadiant

[Stick. she/her]

Okay

3 hours ago, queensteph said:

I also PM'd Stick to find out whether she even had enough protection the turn she was attacked to even protect against 2 attacks, but she didn't respond with the code I gave for her to use in thread (since she can't respond in PMs) and only asked Elbereth in thread if the writeup would clarify on how many times someone was attacked

I have enough protection

I didn't respond with the code because I'm not sure who to trust, and didn't want to give a direct answer. For all I know, you could be trying to find out how much protection I have left so that you could attack me accordingly 

1 hour ago, Amanuensis said:

What do you two think? Are either of you willing to die for the greater good?

I'm down for killing them both 

1 hour ago, Burnt Spaghetti said:

Atm im trusting steph because 1- she knows what i studied,

I know what you studied, too 

1 hour ago, Burnt Spaghetti said:

Unless of course stick is evil and she detains me. In which case shed better keep detaining me after that cause if im detained again, ill kill her

*nervous laugh 

(Seriously though. I didn't detain you)

 

[BrightnessRadiant she/her]

49 minutes ago, BrightnessRadiant said:

How come no one but aman voted last turn? He voted for Cluny twice and nothing happened. @Amanuensis you're not actually at the uni are you? If you were I would ask for you to try and expell steph or Cluny. Since steph did cast suspicion on Cluny last cycle but then didn't even vote for anyone I'd say that looks pretty suspicious. She "voted" for HH but then removed her votes because she said she realized it was actually Cluny who was about to become a master and yet she didn't vote for him. If steph and Cluny are both skindancers and are the only ones at the uni???!!! I wanna go play sad music rn. 

I edited this into my last post but I wasn't sure if everyone would see it..

[Stick. she/her]

59 minutes ago, BrightnessRadiant said:

How come no one but aman voted last turn? He voted for Cluny twice and nothing happened. @Amanuensis you're not actually at the uni are you? If you were I would ask for you to try and expell steph or Cluny. Since steph did cast suspicion on Cluny last cycle but then didn't even vote for anyone I'd say that looks pretty suspicious. She "voted" for HH but then removed her votes because she said she realized it was actually Cluny who was about to become a master and yet she didn't vote for him. If steph and Cluny are both skindancers and are the only ones at the uni???!!! I wanna go play sad music rn. 

There's only one option left:

KILLLL 

[Burnt Spaghetti she/her]

At this point its looking like we're all about to nuke everyone until we're all dead... oh sure! Kill everyone and all the evil will be dead! Aaaand so will the villagers...

 

Also stick,  may i ask how you know what i studied? 

[Amanuensis he/him]

Kill who, Stick?

 And no, I went to Imre a couple turns ago to see if I could buy an Assassin myself, but since I've been paying uni tuition the whole game, I don't have enough (yet). I didn't think that would affect my vote though since I'm still a member of the university 

[BrightnessRadiant she/her]

22 minutes ago, _Stick_ said:

There's only one option left:

KILLLL 

Who? Cuz if steph and Cluny are the only ones at the uni then they're untouchable by everyone else...you can only kill me

Edit: @Amanuensis okay master ninja could you stop lolol

So why didn't your votes take affect??

Edited May 23, 2017 by BrightnessRadiant

[Stick. she/her]

2 minutes ago, BrightnessRadiant said:

Who? Cuz if steph and Cluny are the only ones at the uni then they're untouchable by everyone else...you can only kill me

Assassins won't effect them?

@Amanuensissteph

@Burnt SpaghettiI used school records on you 

Also, if cluny and Steph were the only people at the uni and were evil, then wouldn't the end have ended? 

Edited May 23, 2017 by _Stick_