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So what is going on with the whole, first five books of Stormlight being one set and the second half being another? Is there going to be a partial ending after the first five and then book six will begin a new area of the story? I've discussed this with others before but it still wasn't that clear.

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Gandemort (August 2013)

You've mentioned that the Stormlight Archive is broken down into two sets of five books. Is the story arch of the second set of books going to be completely different than the story in the first 5 books?

 

Brandon Sanderson

It will focus mostly on different characters, with some appearances by characters from the first five. I wouldn't call it a different story, more a sequel.

 

 

I discovered this on Theoryland.com interview database. Sounds interesting.

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if this goes like the wheel of time, those 10 planned books will become several dozens by the end...

 

But it won't.  WoT ballooned the way it did because Robert Jordan was more of a discovery writer, he knew where he wanted to end up and a few points along the way but he didn't really know much in between.  Brandon is an outliner, a super-outliner, he plans out those "in-between" bits.  Sometimes things turn out longer than he expected, look at Words of Radiance, but not so much that he has to split something into two, or more, books.  Basically, if Brandon says it will be ten books, it will be ten books. (especially since in this case 10 is super significant in-world)

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Gandemort (August 2013)

You've mentioned that the Stormlight Archive is broken down into two sets of five books. Is the story arch of the second set of books going to be completely different than the story in the first 5 books?

 

Brandon Sanderson

It will focus mostly on different characters, with some appearances by characters from the first five. I wouldn't call it a different story, more a sequel.

 

 

I discovered this on Theoryland.com interview database. Sounds interesting.

 

 

you mean there won't be Kaladin and Syl in it??  :o

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Gandemort (August 2013)

You've mentioned that the Stormlight Archive is broken down into two sets of five books. Is the story arch of the second set of books going to be completely different than the story in the first 5 books?

 

Brandon Sanderson

It will focus mostly on different characters, with some appearances by characters from the first five. I wouldn't call it a different story, more a sequel.

 

 

I discovered this on Theoryland.com interview database. Sounds interesting.

 

 

 

you mean there won't be Kaladin and Syl in it??  :o

 

Now I don't remember where heard this and I could be wrong. However, I heard Kaladin will get a second flashback book in the second story arc. So Kaladin and Syl maybe in at least one of those books. Maybe book 6 or 7 will be his second book.

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Kaladin may no longer get another book.

 

Also, Brandon is pretty good at judging how many books it will take to fit the needs of the story, but it's not outside the realm of possibility something could change. We are still at the beginning of a long sequence, and as he gets farther along it's possible for things to shift around. However, at this point I fully expect that it will end up as 10 books just like he has said.

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if this goes like the wheel of time, those 10 planned books will become several dozens by the end...

Also, Brandon is pretty good at judging how many books it will take to fit the needs of the story, but it's not outside the realm of possibility something could change. We are still at the beginning of a long sequence, and as he gets farther along it's possible for things to shift around. However, at this point I fully expect that it will end up as 10 books just like he has said.

 

I've always just assumed, knowing that Brandon is a planner, that if things did go over a bit there might be a side book or a WoT-like Encyclopedia sort of deal. Something that wouldn't ship with the 10 book set, but was just to tie up smaller loose ends. 10 does seem a little significant to this project, hahaha. 

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I'm not sure how I'd feel about a Stormlight Archive without Kaladin. Everybody else matters, but Kal... Kal needs to stick around. He's my favorite character since Harry Dresden...

 

He could always write new characters we can grow to love.  Alloy of Law didn't have most of the original characters but I thought Wayne, Wax, and Marasi were totally awesome in their own right.

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But it won't.  WoT ballooned the way it did because Robert Jordan was more of a discovery writer, he knew where he wanted to end up and a few points along the way but he didn't really know much in between.  Brandon is an outliner, a super-outliner, he plans out those "in-between" bits.  Sometimes things turn out longer than he expected, look at Words of Radiance, but not so much that he has to split something into two, or more, books.  Basically, if Brandon says it will be ten books, it will be ten books. (especially since in this case 10 is super significant in-world)

Yes, I know, even if I like to think about it.

In truth, if the stormlight archive was the wheel of time, it would have been planned to a trilogy and then extended up to ten.

Also, sanderson is in a better position than jordan because if joprdan had said he wanted to write a saga of 14 huge books no one would have published him. after seeing the success of the wot, sanderson could plan for it.

 

Still, there are likely to be side stories. I mean, alloy of law was unplanned, and yet brandon said he wanted to make a sequel to that too. As a writer, he keep thinking of new stories, and want to write them. for a world as extended as roshar, i'd be surprised if he didn't have a few side adventures he really wanted to tell...

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I feel that the character development will only need 2 books and the other three are the characters face off against the challenges that they will face to save the world. It's like an archetypal heroic scene. I think Kaladin or dalinar will die at the end to end up saving the world. This would make a heatbeaking story :(  but it would make sense in the long run.

 

The next five books might be about a new order of Knights radiant or people with those ability like they did in WoT with the Asha'man group instead of male Aes Sedai. This would also help explain more of the links between the cosmere worlds. The world of Roshar seems to have more magic abilities than the rest of the books so far.

 

Off topic now, i think it would be cool if one of the worlds built a amchine of some sort to raid one of the other worlds.

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That'd be sweet if it ends up being 1000 years later and the only characters to recurr woudl be main characters who took up heraldic mantles or became shards.

 

This is exactly what I believe. If you look at the list of pontential flashback character you got Tal and another Herald as pontential focus character. Both are immortals. I readed in some place (ask kurkistan i think he know what i'm talking about) that the second trilogy would be about a different characters with minor appareance of the first arc main cast.

 

Probaly will be something like cameos where they say "Kalaldin/Dalinar how raised back the Radiants do this or that" or" The first female warrior radiant in centuries(Shallan) did this or that before she become Immortal after a acquiring a oathshard/dawnshard."

 

In one of he veryyyyyyyyy old interview - 2004 ( Brandon still called this serie the "Oathshards Series") he also said this:

 

 

"KINGS was the book I was working on when Moshe first called me to buy ELANTRIS. While we were in contract negotiations, he asked to read a bit of my current work. I sent him KINGS, and he decided he wanted to purchase it as well. I don’t think, however, that he knew what he was getting into.

 

The OATHSHARDS is a massive war epic centering around ten angelic beings who have been driven insane—each in a slightly different way—by millennia spent protecting, fighting for, and dying for mankind. The first book, THE WAY OF KINGS, follows six separate viewpoint characters (one of them an immortal) during a time when the three peninsulas are thrown into a massive war. It is an intensive character piece coming in at over 300,000 words, and can be quite brutal with its characters. ( *Natans Personal Comment-NPC* Yes people many people will die.

 

It still does the things I do well—it has several original magic systems (though magic isn’t a focus in the first book.) It has a very interesting setting (which is one of its strong points) and has an array of interesting characters from all walks of life. (One a young peasant soldier *NPC* - Kaladin, one a middle-aged sister to the king *NPC* - Jasnah, one a battle-hardened nobleman general *NPC*-Dalinar , one an honor-bound assassin serving an evil master *NPC* - Szeth, one a young lady-in-waiting *NPC* - Shallan, and the final one being an immortal protector of mankind who is slowly breaking beneath the pressure of his station*NPC* Taln).

The central theme of the book is that of leadership, and each of the six viewpoint characters are defined in one way or another by how they lead others.

 

KINGS has a lot going for it. It’s the kind of story that people remember—it has a grand scope, meaningful characters, and an expansive plot that would have to cover at least five books. However, I don’t know that it’s the best thing for my career right now. The book needs a lot of work before it could be published—at its current length, it would have to be cut into two pieces or slashed by a third in order to work. I also have to do some serious revisions to the plot. I like how all of the characters work, but I worry that the book is too slow (even for me) at the beginning as I establish six viewpoints and six separate plots. I need to find a way to combine some of the plotting so that several viewpoints can work on the same problems."

 

To me it's probably that the first arc will be about the character that we know and the second will be about "Roshar of future". Maybe even a sci-fi Roshar with fabrial hi-tech spaceships and such(to me this would be awesome). Sanderson said that the others planets in the Roshar system would take part in the plot in some way, well a good and nice spaceship to travel there moved by fabrial coredrives would work for me, and this would fit with Scandrial having a sci-fi serie too. Dream on peolple Allomancer X Surgebinder with Magitek weapons and awesome powers =)

 

PS: In times like this i believe that Mr. Peter must suffer with Sanderson releasing all kind of information that he shouldn't .

 

I almost can see Peter scolding Sanderson when him talk to much( one problem that thank god I believe Sanderson have) and Sanderson saying "I did tell that eeehh... sorry Peter. Could you go out there and confuse everyone a little bit =)

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