Anniversary Game 3: The Curse of the Koloss

[Assassin in Burgundy he/him]

1 hour ago, Araris Valerian said:

@Assassin in Burgundy: You're not wrong, I have been kind of tunneling this game, first on Rae, and then on you. I would say that is largely due to the time constraints that I've been dealing with, since once I latch on to something, I can both participate in the lynch and give the village information about myself, without needing to do a lot of in dept analysis. However, I have given substantial reasoning behind the votes that I have placed. It's just that it is somewhat cumulative, so I haven't repeated the earlier things about you that I mentioned or thought about.

For starters, during Day 5 you accused HH and Rae's votes on Wonko of being an eliminator bandwagon. But votes that disagree with yours aren't automatically elim votes. Actually, Rae in particular gave substantially more information than you did in her post. This hearkens to what I mentioned earlier about bandwagons, if we don't have differing opinions, it is way too easy for the eliminators to run away with the discussion.

You follow that up by mentioning a possible conspiracy, which again isn't helpful. In my experience, being an elim is about balancing using your extra info and communication against creating patterns for people to follow. The sort of plan you suggest goes far beyond that, and while Aralis found it somewhat ludicrous, that sort of post can only serve to discredit the seeker, which is an elim thing to do.

That is why I voted for you there at first, I just didn't have the time to say so.

In the night, you suggest that people lurch Arinian, which was pointless and was also followed by Arinian not even getting targeted.

Next day, you join a bandwagon against HH because he joined a bandwagon.

During the night you ask to be scanned, which is once again pointless.

That pretty much sums up everything, and Aralis thinks it's enough to kill over.

I made the conspiracy because people kept poke voting me and asking me to talk more. IIRC, I was the first to vote on HH; I didn't just join it. And the main reason I voted for him was because he consistently voted without any explanation, not because he joined a single bandwagon. Also, why was it a bad idea to tell people to lurch Arinian? He was basically the MVP for us. And how was it bad to ask him to clear me? A lot of people suspected me, including you, and I wanted to be proved, once and for all, as villager. 

EDIT: And to be honest, I never really trusted Arinian's Seeking until he died. It seemed basically to good to be true, and if you remember, after he helped us lynch Nyali, my suspicions that he was an Elim protecting his teammates faded for the most part. A Seeker giving us information on who and who wasn't an Elim just seemed too good to be true. 

Edited February 2, 2017 by Assassin in Burgundy

[Elenion he/him]

The more about Araris I think, the less suspicious he seems. I think I'm just paranoid about him for no reason.

I'm not really liking Wyrmhero's voting patterns. The day that the lynch was between Nyali and Rae he voted Rae, and now he's just assisting with the bandwagon on Assassin, whom I'm reading as village.

[manukos he/him]

15 hours ago, Wyrmhero said:

The board was still covered in bits of paper and little bits of string to draw connections. But I disregarded that for now. My main suspect right now was still doing suspicious stuff. No-one'd said much about him, but already he was voting for himself. What sort of person even did that? I was still slightly drunk, and even I could see it wasn't a good idea. It just muddied things. Well, I wasn't going to let Enias do that quietly and go unchallenged. I wanted to know why.

i said i would last night as an answer tomy suspicion (though it is kinda stupid ). and that is all 

also if i could vote for anyone else it would probably be HH  or  drought (due to innactivity ) 

 

[Hemalurgic Headshot he/him]

Do we have a vote tally? Second half of the cycle, it's about time.

I'm concerned about this Assassin bandwagon. Time and time again, some of it my fault, we bandwagon a runaway train that we can't stop. However, due to the death of quite a few voters, the number of votes is small enough to sway. So let's all just bandwagon on Drought! (That was totally not a hypocritical statement)

[Magestar he/him]

2 hours ago, Hemalurgic_Headshot said:

Do we have a vote tally? Second half of the cycle, it's about time.

I'm concerned about this Assassin bandwagon. Time and time again, some of it my fault, we bandwagon a runaway train that we can't stop. However, due to the death of quite a few voters, the number of votes is small enough to sway. So let's all just bandwagon on Drought! (That was totally not a hypocritical statement)

The cycle is less than a page long.  You could just make yourself a vote tally.  -sigh-

There's two votes on Assassin.  And it's honestly the best lynch I see.  Almost no one else has anything going for them, except you and Hero.  Would you like to be lynched, HH?

edit;  -sigh-  Here's your vote tally;

Araris; Len, Assassin

Assassin; Araris, Mage

Manukos; Manukos, Wyrm

Drought; HH

Wyrm; Len

That's more potential ties than I like, and the Manukos lynch makes no sense to me.

Edited February 2, 2017 by Magestar

[Assassin in Burgundy he/him]

First of all, I'd like to present some statistics. In every game I've ever played except one, I have been lynched for acting suspicious. Do you know how many times I've been Elim in those cases? None. Never. But still I'm lynched for acting weird. In my case, if I'm acting normal, then something's wrong.  

[Araris Valerian he/him]

The statements about protecting Arinian and scanning yourself weren't bad ideas, they were just fine. But the statements themselves were unhelpful. We should assume that the eliminators have a smoker, so anyone that pays attention to that sort of suggestion in the thread will just waste an action. That was what led Arinian to having some weird scan targets, according to him.

The same goes for asking for Arinian to be protected. While it makes sense to protect the seeker, why would the elims attack somebody who is likely going to be protected? (As evidenced by their target that night)

Maybe you aren't an elim. But if you aren't, I do suggest that you refine your playstyle a bit, because, at least as I see it, you are making a lot of statements that are harmful to the village.

Once again, I am open to lynching an inactive, since the activity level today is still pretty underwhelming, considering all the effort Meta has put in to this game. I mean c'mon guys! It's the anniversary game. You only get to see Aralis in his full cynicism like this once a year. So come back and kill some folks please.

[Jondesu he/him]

Remart thump-stomped out into the village square. 

"Enias? Enias, you rat, you set up Felix to be murdered yesterday when people started muttering about you!  And then I'll bet it was you or one of your buddies who attacked Ryth last night like a coward!  You better be rusting ready to see the inside of a grave.  Where are you, Enias?"

---

Okay, so my reasoning here is fairly simple.  Manukos has been giving me some weird feelings, sure, but he's got a very different style and is also pretty new to SE.  But then I looked at the last cycle, and Manukos was starting to get some votes (4 I believe, though I don't remember the order of all of this and it's more than I want to look up) and suddenly a big bandwagon forms on Drake.  It took off beyond what makes sense to me, which makes me think the Elims were among those that pushed it to save Manukos.  Thus, my suspicion swung back around to him full strength.  I was tunneling on Herowannabe before, btw, and I haven't let it go completely, but obviously I'm not getting much agreement, so it'd be a waste to just further divide this Lynch. @Conquestor, I won't hold you to your promise to vote with me, but if you do still want to, there it is.

EDIT: That also means that I'd be 99% certain that of Assassin in Burgundy, Manukos, Herowannabe, and Hemalurgic Headshot, at least one or two is an Elim.  Convenient to see Herowannabe in that list, along with the other two big suspicions I've been seeing (Assassin and HH).  They're not all Elims, sure, but I would be surprised if none of them were.  Wilson is still a possibility I suppose, but I've trusted her almost from the beginning now and haven't seen anything that would change that.

Edited February 2, 2017 by Jondesu

[little wilson she/her]

3 hours ago, Magestar said:

There's two votes on Assassin.  And it's honestly the best lynch I see.  Almost no one else has anything going for them, except you and Hero.  Would you like to be lynched, HH?

[snip]

That's more potential ties than I like, and the Manukos lynch makes no sense to me.

There are plenty of other decent lynch candidates. The only person I can be certain is a villager is Joe. Virtually everyone else, I can see ways they could be evil, though some are far more of paranoid worries than anything else (like with Jon, his activity check on all the players during the night was missing a ton of information for Rae's activity, and I can't help but wonder if that's because he knew she was dying so forgot to bother to collect it...).

My top lynch candidate is actually you, Mage. I mentioned this before you briefly went inactive, and you tried to twist my words into saying that I suspect you because you're just too good of a villager, but no. That's not what I said. I said that some of what you've said has been too convenient--it doesn't sit right. It feels made up--and your entire list of your players thoughts feels contrived. It feels like you saw what Doc did and decided to do the same thing so you'd seem helpful, but because you already know the alignments of everyone, you arbitrarily labelled people. Most of the players, you labeled as 'quiet' or 'lurking', but there are other players you said nothing about their activity levels, but they were also quiet and lurking. It's those inconsistencies that make it feel contrived.

Take Stink, for instance. He'd been incredibly active, and then he very clearly started to get frustrated with what was going on and went for a little over 24 hours not saying anything in the thread, and your comment for him was that he'd been active, but now he's quiet like so many others. But for Bugsy, you said that you didn't have much to say for him. This was, what? Day 3? Bugsy had made 8 posts up to that point and 6 of those were during Cycle 1. He'd only made 2 posts in 4 turns, yet you made no comment about his 'quietness' or 'lurking', but he was worse than Stink in terms of that. You called Gamma a lurker when Gamma had made 7 RP and discussion-based posts, yet you said nothing about Seonid's quietness, even though Seonid had only posted 4 times and 3 of those were purely RP and the last was saying something that virtually anyone could've said. No comment about El's quietness, even though she'd only posted 6 times and 4 of those were in Cycle 1. You mentioned something about how Assassin is playing differently than the other times he's been evil, but he's only been evil once and that was his first game, where he lurked the entire game, hardly saying anything in the thread (I'm pretty sure he made less than 3 posts in the thread that entire game). This is his 10th game. People change and adapt the longer they play, so using a single evil game 10 games ago as your entire basis for leaning village on him seems a little sketch, not gonna lie. And then there's your comments about me being quiet, when I'd posted more than half the players in the game, and double the amount of some of the players you said nothing about their activity levels. So yes, your entire list felt contrived and made up. Hardly any basis in reality or fact at all. Also, congrats, because you got me to make the only notes I've made and will make this game. When your list struck me as off, I cross-referenced it and jotted down the activity levels of each of the players. Hence my saying it sounded contrived before. I didn't elaborate then because I didn't see the point.

Also before you went inactive, you were all over the "Hero must be good" theory since he'd been pushing the Dalinar lynch so hard, and now you're saying Hero must be evil. Not that I disagree with you about Hero since I think he's suspicious, but what changed your mind? That's a pretty sudden shift, particularly for someone who was inactive. It obviously didn't have much to do with anything he said while you were gone, because if it did, you would know why people are suspicious of Manukos, since the Manukos lynch makes perfect sense if you were paying attention during the last couple of cycles when he was saying sketchy things like casting suspicion on the village Seeker and saying we should lynch him, and then changing his tune immediately after Nyali died, when Arinian hadn't even seeked her. Yeah, Manukos makes perfect sense to lynch, but you don't see it because you missed those cycles. So why are you suspicious of Hero now when you weren't before? If Hero is evil, why should we believe that your switch isn't for some more nefarious purpose, like bussing a teammate? And if Hero is good, why can't you be a Spiked trying to take advantage of the suspicion on Hero? Basically, why the inconsistency?

Anyway. Moving on. I'd apologize for my low activity the last few cycles, but I don't have any intention of changing it, so an apology is pretty pointless. I lost my desire to be more active in the game after Arinian outed Wonko, using the reasoning that he was inactive and his role was unimportant, and I was the only one who said anything about it. Alienating inactives like that isn't a way to fix the problem, since it only creates a toxic environment where the only people we care about are those who maintain our own standards of activity, and why should an inactive come back if they're not going to be treated with respect regardless of their activity level? The fact that I'm the only one who said anything is supremely frustrating. At this point, I'm tired of being the only one speaking up about issues like this, and if no one else is willing to say anything, nothing I say will make a difference, so I might as well stay silent. That whole interaction killed my interest in the game and now I'm doing the bare minimum because I refuse to go completely inactive. One to two posts a cycle, with a vote. Don't expect anything more from me and I won't expect anything more from you. Also, don't count this paragraph as alignment-indicative since these would be my feelings and reactions regardless of my alignment. Don't count that last sentence as alignment-indicative either, or this sentence. Or....you get the point.

Oh, and Mage.

[Magestar he/him]

2 minutes ago, little wilson said:

My top lynch candidate is actually you, Mage. I mentioned this before you briefly went inactive, and you tried to twist my words into saying that I suspect you because you're just too good of a villager, but no.

Actually, I said that I had been right a few times.  I don't think I'd ever be that arrogant.  Saying I'm too good a villager is just odd.

4 minutes ago, little wilson said:

Also before you went inactive, you were all over the "Hero must be good" theory since he'd been pushing the Dalinar lynch so hard, and now you're saying Hero must be evil.

Nope.  And Nope.  I said it would be weird for an Elim to push the Dalinar lynch so hard.  And then I said Hero's the only other person with anything going for them.

7 minutes ago, little wilson said:

Take Stink, for instance. He'd been incredibly active, and then he very clearly started to get frustrated with what was going on and went for a little over 24 hours not saying anything in the thread, and your comment for him was that he'd been active, but now he's quiet like so many others. But for Bugsy, you said that you didn't have much to say for him. This was, what? Day 3? Bugsy had made 8 posts up to that point and 6 of those were during Cycle 1. He'd only made 2 posts in 4 turns, yet you made no comment about his 'quietness' or 'lurking', but he was worse than Stink in terms of that. You called Gamma a lurker when Gamma had made 7 RP and discussion-based posts, yet you said nothing about Seonid's quietness, even though Seonid had only posted 4 times and 3 of those were purely RP and the last was saying something that virtually anyone could've said. No comment about El's quietness, even though she'd only posted 6 times and 4 of those were in Cycle 1. You mentioned something about how Assassin is playing differently than the other times he's been evil, but he's only been evil once and that was his first game, where he lurked the entire game, hardly saying anything in the thread (I'm pretty sure he made less than 3 posts in the thread that entire game). This is his 10th game. People change and adapt the longer they play, so using a single evil game 10 games ago as your entire basis for leaning village on him seems a little sketch, not gonna lie. And then there's your comments about me being quiet, when I'd posted more than half the players in the game, and double the amount of some of the players you said nothing about their activity levels. So yes, your entire list felt contrived and made up. Hardly any basis in reality or fact at all. Also, congrats, because you got me to make the only notes I've made and will make this game. When your list struck me as off, I cross-referenced it and jotted down the activity levels of each of the players. Hence my saying it sounded contrived before. I didn't elaborate then because I didn't see the point.

Oh dear.  I see that there was apparently a lot wrong with my list.

He was incredibly active?  I must have missed that.   I think I said I didn't have a lot to say about Bugsy.  I called Gamma a lurker?  I think I said he'd been paying attention.  Sorry 'bout that, Gamma.   Looks like I had other things to say about Seonid.  Perhaps I was only saying people looked like lurkers if I had not a lot else to say.  Actually, I did say I was suspicious of El.  I had just said I thought she was quiet another time.  (El, actually, would be a person I'd lynch.  She's inactive, and I'm suspicious of her still.)  Really?  I could have sworn Assassin had played more.  Yeah, I'm going to agree with you on that.  That's a little odd of me.  I suppose I had noticed you're quietness more.  You must stand out to me, Wilson!   Aww.  My list was poor.  Sorry.

19 minutes ago, little wilson said:

Anyway. Moving on. I'd apologize for my low activity the last few cycles, but I don't have any intention of changing it, so an apology is pretty pointless. I lost my desire to be more active in the game after Arinian outed Wonko, using the reasoning that he was inactive and his role was unimportant, and I was the only one who said anything about it. Alienating inactives like that isn't a way to fix the problem, since it only creates a toxic environment where the only people we care about are those who maintain our own standards of activity, and why should an inactive come back if they're not going to be treated with respect regardless of their activity level? The fact that I'm the only one who said anything is supremely frustrating. At this point, I'm tired of being the only one speaking up about issues like this, and if no one else is willing to say anything, nothing I say will make a difference, so I might as well stay silent. That whole interaction killed my interest in the game and now I'm doing the bare minimum because I refuse to go completely inactive. One to two posts a cycle, with a vote. Don't expect anything more from me and I won't expect anything more from you. Also, don't count this paragraph as alignment-indicative since these would be my feelings and reactions regardless of my alignment. Don't count that last sentence as alignment-indicative either, or this sentence. Or....you get the point.

Yeah.   Inactivity is bad.  I think I already have apologized for mine, and I will try to fix it.  I'm sorry that you've lost interest in this game.   I don't think the village has ever won an AG, which can be pretty disappointing for repeat villagers.

If you want to kill me, you can.  I'm not sure how much more I can add to the game by being alive, and I think that I'll actually be more beneficial to the village once I'm dead.  It'll clarify my actions/voting patterns and stuff.

I suppose I'll let you guys know I'm a smoker.  I haven't really been using it since I don't know what to do with it.  Do with that info what you will.

[manukos he/him]

2 hours ago, Jondesu said:

Remart thump-stomped out into the village square. 

"Enias? Enias, you rat, you set up Felix to be murdered yesterday when people started muttering about you!  And then I'll bet it was you or one of your buddies who attacked Ryth last night like a coward!  You better be rusting ready to see the inside of a grave.  Where are you, Enias?"

---

Okay, so my reasoning here is fairly simple.  Manukos has been giving me some weird feelings, sure, but he's got a very different style and is also pretty new to SE.  But then I looked at the last cycle, and Manukos was starting to get some votes (4 I believe, though I don't remember the order of all of this and it's more than I want to look up) and suddenly a big bandwagon forms on Drake.  It took off beyond what makes sense to me, which makes me think the Elims were among those that pushed it to save Manukos.  Thus, my suspicion swung back around to him full strength.  I was tunneling on Herowannabe before, btw, and I haven't let it go completely, but obviously I'm not getting much agreement, so it'd be a waste to just further divide this Lynch. @Conquestor, I won't hold you to your promise to vote with me, but if you do still want to, there it is.

EDIT: That also means that I'd be 99% certain that of Assassin in Burgundy, Manukos, Herowannabe, and Hemalurgic Headshot, at least one or two is an Elim.  Convenient to see Herowannabe in that list, along with the other two big suspicions I've been seeing (Assassin and HH).  They're not all Elims, sure, but I would be surprised if none of them were.  Wilson is still a possibility I suppose, but I've trusted her almost from the beginning now and haven't seen anything that would change that.

Enias walked out of an alley heading toward the center oh my dear sir ,

"i would never do such a thing intentionaly , but i saw him eating some filthy dust , is this what those spiked-misting-things are suposed to do ? 
i only voiced my concern but .... but i do not have anything to prove my innocence , we must not snap at each other i agree with you that the ones who are the most  suspect are those that you mentioned ....but if this is the only way to stop the disscourse among us ... i will do it . i will lay down my life . and may the survivor preserve me 
just promise me that you will make it quick , painless and most of all clean . i finishe cleaning my old house i have no remorses. do as you see fit .
 

Edited February 2, 2017 by Manukos

[Hemalurgic Headshot he/him]

People are pointing fingers at each other, paying no attention to the inactives! It seems if you post something, everyone hates you, but then if you don't post something, then someone like me will come along and accuse you.

[Jondesu he/him]

2 minutes ago, Hemalurgic_Headshot said:

People are pointing fingers at each other, paying no attention to the inactives! It seems if you post something, everyone hates you, but then if you don't post something, then someone like me will come along and accuse you.

Ignoring inactives?  Didn't you see my nice analysis of activity last night?  I simply think that an active Elim is more of a threat right now, so I'm focusing on that first.

[Hemalurgic Headshot he/him]

@Jondesu I was making a generalized statement. I beg your pardon.

[Jondesu he/him]

Just now, Hemalurgic_Headshot said:

@Jondesu I was making a generalized statement. I beg your pardon.

Yeah, I just wanted to also note that you're not the only one, so that others begin to think actively about the inactives.

[Conquestor he/him]

3 hours ago, Jondesu said:

Remart thump-stomped out into the village square. 

"Enias? Enias, you rat, you set up Felix to be murdered yesterday when people started muttering about you!  And then I'll bet it was you or one of your buddies who attacked Ryth last night like a coward!  You better be rusting ready to see the inside of a grave.  Where are you, Enias?"

---

Okay, so my reasoning here is fairly simple.  Manukos has been giving me some weird feelings, sure, but he's got a very different style and is also pretty new to SE.  But then I looked at the last cycle, and Manukos was starting to get some votes (4 I believe, though I don't remember the order of all of this and it's more than I want to look up) and suddenly a big bandwagon forms on Drake.  It took off beyond what makes sense to me, which makes me think the Elims were among those that pushed it to save Manukos.  Thus, my suspicion swung back around to him full strength.  I was tunneling on Herowannabe before, btw, and I haven't let it go completely, but obviously I'm not getting much agreement, so it'd be a waste to just further divide this Lynch. @Conquestor, I won't hold you to your promise to vote with me, but if you do still want to, there it is.

EDIT: That also means that I'd be 99% certain that of Assassin in Burgundy, Manukos, Herowannabe, and Hemalurgic Headshot, at least one or two is an Elim.  Convenient to see Herowannabe in that list, along with the other two big suspicions I've been seeing (Assassin and HH).  They're not all Elims, sure, but I would be surprised if none of them were.  Wilson is still a possibility I suppose, but I've trusted her almost from the beginning now and haven't seen anything that would change that.

Well, I hold to my promises, so, sorry Manukos. If Jondesu changes, I will also change mine, but I am only voting whom he votes for, only today.

"I feel real bad for joining the small mob that is trying to kill you . . . whatever your name is, but a promise is a promise." "Besides, think of it this way, at least you're not going to be tortured to death by Spiked."

[Stick. she/her]

Well, I'm still suspicious of Manukos. I voted on him last cycle too.

Wait did I? *goes to thread and checks* Yes, yes I indeed did. And if I'm not wrong, there are currently three votes on Manukos? That's not enough, imo. Since I'm convinced all Spiked are Mistborn and role-less, the lynch would most certainly be rioted/soothed, onto someone else (Assassin?). So...Manukos to be on the safe side. 

Also, I didn't think I was as active as Jondesu's activity chart shows I am :-D 

I should probably be a good villager and go do some serious anylasis though...

[Seonid he/him]

Manukos. He and HH are the gut feeling standouts for me. Sorry for my inactivity - I'm not going to sign up for any more QFs. That pace is brutal! It's the mid-game, and everyone is tired. Inactivity rises incredibly with game size. I wonder if @Elbereth might be interested in looking at those stats. It might be interesting to put some sort of player limit on these things.

[Elenion he/him]

I'm not liking this Manukos bandwagon: If we lynch him village the elims will be partying in the streets, and if he turns out as an elim then we really haven't hurt them that badly.

 To make a reasonable alternative, I'll consolidate my vote onto Mage. (Wyrm).

[Hemalurgic Headshot he/him]

Elenion, I think you might need some help lynching Mage (Drought). I didn't mention him, so he didn't respond. Oops. But @DroughtBringer, don't think you're out of the woods yet.

[Magestar he/him]

13 minutes ago, Elenion said:

To make a reasonable alternative, I'll consolidate my vote onto Mage.

7 minutes ago, Hemalurgic_Headshot said:

Elenion, I think you might need some help lynching Mage

Speaking of bandwagons...

[Hemalurgic Headshot he/him]

A wild Bandwagon appears!

Go, Pikachu!

[Magestar he/him]

9 minutes ago, Hemalurgic_Headshot said:

A wild Bandwagon appears!

Go, Pikachu!

This type of behavior does not exactly inspire confidence in me as to your alignment.  

[Jondesu he/him]

@Elenion, how does Manukos being lynched not hurt the Elims if he is one? That sounds very odd and suspicious.

[Elenion he/him]

59 minutes ago, Jondesu said:

@Elenion, how does Manukos being lynched not hurt the Elims if he is one? That sounds very odd and suspicious.

Let's assume for a minute that Manukos is a Spiked Mistborn.

Every elim has 4 assets that they can contribute to their team:

1. Role/actions

2. Vote

3. Trust from non-elims

4. PM contacts / roleclaims / plans

Since there are no PMs in this game, Manukos can't contribute #4. Since he's promised to vote on himself and appears to be sticking to that, he can't contribute #2. Since he's openly suspected and usually isn't the type to create complex plans, he'll find it very hard to contribute #3. So really, he can only contribute his role, 1/3 as much as another elim in this game. And while it's obviously much better to get him than a villager, it's much better to get a more-trusted elim than him.

I see why my logic strikes you as suspicious, and I agree that elims have used logic like it in the pass. The difference is, I'm actually trying to help you.