Long Game 25: A Breath of Power

[AliasSheep]

10 minutes ago, Bugsy6912 said:

Deflecting blame in the sense that if/when I'm lynched, you aren't regarded with suspicion for making accusations against a villager, instead saying you were suspicious of me for the points Bard has expressed.

I disagree with a couple of Bard's points, I then expanded on them and stated that I agreed with what some of what he said.  There's no point in restating things Bard has already outlined.

10 minutes ago, Bugsy6912 said:

When we start saying that defenses are suspicious as well as lack of defense, we enter a positive feedback loop where no matter what the defendant does, the suspicion level just goes up. That seems kinda counterintuitive to me.

It's not the act of defending oneself that's suspicious, it's the manner thereof.  And I found your specific defense suspsicious.

[Magestar he/him]

I think it's a good idea to put up vote tallies.  Because... Idk, I just feel like doing it.

Meta(1) - Twel

Doctor(1) - Ecth

Conq(1) - Lopen

Magestar(3) - Meta, Mark, FrozenMint

Bugsy(3) - Bard, Sheep, Magestar

Bard(1) - Araris

Sheep(1) - Bugsy

Danyah(1) - Paranoid King.

Seriously, this is kind of sad.  Bugsy does not seem the least suspicious to me, and the three votes on me are based on a accusation that I have answered pretty well, in my mind, something I don't know what to make of, and a rather odd Bandwagon vote, which I could see coming from a player who knows my alignment, and has been told to vote on me in-doc.  I don't really like the looks of this right now, although my death will bring the village some knowledge.

Edited August 22, 2016 by Magestar

[Doc12]

This is escalating  quickly.

From what I've been reading, a common point brought up in accusing people is their usual playtime,  such as when meta was pointed out. 

In this then, we have a problem. This is my first game. I don't know your plsystyles, and I'm still trying  to work out my own. So I really can't post any in depth analysis on this. I also hesitate to accuse anyone based on previous assertions thwt they are different.

Everything one says can be used against them, and uias hesitant to post, as I was terrified of being accused, just like many of the posters before me, who were accused because their defenses were suspicious, or something they said was suspicious.  

But then I realized i make myself more  suspicious by not posting. And as a villager I truly have nothing to hide. Thus I've concluded that I'll just post whatever iIhave here, and let myself be judged and vindicated.

To the other lurkers (like me ) who have read but never posted. What this game does... It hems you in,  makes you afraid to say too much for fear of it being used against you. At least, that's what happened to me. But we need. To talk. Have to overcome the psychology of this game. We need to see who you are. 

I have sent Pms to some  of you, and plan to reach all of you eventually. We need to communicate. 

Healer

 

Edited August 23, 2016 by Doctor12

[Straw he/him]

I don't see anything suspicious about the Lynch targets so I will not be placing a vote.

[twelfthrootoftwo]

Have we had a clarification about tied votes?

Of the two lynch candidates, I think Magestar is marginally more suspicious, mostly for this post (I'm always wary of people addressing suspicion itself, rather than the reasons behind it):

2 hours ago, Magestar said:

I'm going to be honest; I have no idea why people are voting for me.  In the interest of self preservation, I am going to have to put my vote on Bugsy.  I was hoping not to have to do this.  Bugsy, I hope you are an Elim.  Meta, I don't know why your vote is still on me, as I don't really think you have a good reason any more.  Mark, I'm not sure why you put yours on me in the first place.  I hope this gets cleared up before the tonight.  I would love to not die N1, and continue my losing streak.

edit; Bugsy, I'm voting for you completely out of self-preservation.  I have no real reason to believe you are an Elim, and will be rather frustrated if you are village.  Sorry about this.  I don't necessarily  agree with Sheep that the claims against me made no sense, but I think they should have been cleared up by now.  Except for Mint's, which I was slightly disappointed with, to be honest.  That line of thought makes no sense, and it would be just as well to say your bandwagoning as say that.

edit 2; @Metacognition, Do you still feel like I'm an Elim?

 

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

Hey, sorry for not getting up that Breath advice I was gonna try to do last night. Was too tired to think clearly enough to be of any help. Anyways, looks like luckat basically already gave some and like usual, I think I agree with pretty much everything she said! I especially liked the suggestion of making and retrieving Breath from Awakened objects as a way to protect yourself(if I'm thinking about this right at least ).

With regards to the lynch. I'm not terribly suspicious of either lynch target right now. If I had to choose between the two of them, I'd say Bugsy, but that's mostly because I'm getting more of a village read on Magestars responses than I am from Bugsy's. Just based on gut really.

I'm still waiting for a response from @Conquestor. He was actually just online about an hour ago but he didn't respond to my vote, which could be because he'd rather not draw attention to himself this late in the Day when the lynch is being decided for good. Conq, do you have any opinions about the lynch?

Ninja'd by Twei. I believe that tied lynches result in a coin flip.

 

[Araris Valerian he/him]

Well, I said that I found both Bard and Bugsy suspicious, and since Bard doesn't appear to be up for the lynch, I'll back up my words with a vote switch to Bugsy.

[Bugsy he/him]

Sheep is by far the most suspicious right now in my opinion. He refuses to acknowledge my defenses except for those he deems suspicious by virtue of "overcompensating", as if a villager is more likely to passively accept being lynched than an eliminator. That, combined with a statement made about my own breath count being low (which I've released a second statement explaining) makes up the net sum of evidence on which he's pushing this lynch. I'm guessing it's too late to save myself, but I ask that you all keep a close eye on Sheep the rest of this game once I'm dead. (In other news, I believe this will be my first game to not be alive in the final cycle! At least I kept the streak this long )

[Bugsy he/him]

Colors, I'm frustrated right now. I want to vote on Magestar purely out of self preservation, but I honestly feel like he's village and feel like it'd be stupid to sacrifice an innocent for another day of life. I'm going to make a proposition. If we lynch Sheep tonight, I'll give my breath to @Ecthelion III this day cycle. I die anyways, and we save a villager the Elims targeted last night. There's literally no loss involved (except, of course, for sheep and the other eliminators ) If we're doing this, we need to go quick, so place your vote on Sheep now, please!

Edit: Sorry for double post! Overtired right now.

Edit 2: This isn't any personal vendetta, Sheep, so I apologize if it appears that way. I'm really and truly fatigued out of my mind right now with cross country, so I'm just hoping my posts are coherent. Tone is far beyond my grasp right now  

Edited August 23, 2016 by Bugsy6912

[AliasSheep]

19 minutes ago, Bugsy6912 said:

Sheep is by far the most suspicious right now in my opinion. He refuses to acknowledge my defenses except for those he deems suspicious by virtue of "overcompensating", as if a villager is more likely to passively accept being lynched than an eliminator. That, combined with a statement made about my own breath count being low (which I've released a second statement explaining) makes up the net sum of evidence on which he's pushing this lynch. I'm guessing it's too late to save myself, but I ask that you all keep a close eye on Sheep the rest of this game once I'm dead. (In other news, I believe this will be my first game to not be alive in the final cycle! At least I kept the streak this long )

 

1 minute ago, Bugsy6912 said:

Colors, I'm frustrated right now. I want to vote on Magestar purely out of self preservation, but I honestly feel like he's village and feel like it'd be stupid to sacrifice an innocent for another day of life. I'm going to make a proposition. If we lynch Sheep tonight, I'll give my breath to @Ecthelion III this day cycle. I die anyways, and we save a villager the Elims targeted last night. There's literally no loss involved (except, of course, for sheep and the other eliminators ) If we're doing this, we need to go quick, so place your vote on Sheep now, please!

I'm not sure what defenses you want me to acknowledge?  There's lots there about you defending the fact that you made a mistake, which I believe you about, something I made clear earlier on.  The other defense is the one I picked up as "hypercompensating", which I found to be exaggerated, and then you claiming you were simply surprised by Ectehlion's breath count.  I don't think there's a way to counter the second one, which I would consider to be a slip of the tongue which it's hard to go back on, and the latter I'm unsure what to think of.  What I said earlier is that I think the breath thing is odd, that is, while it's not necessarily alignment indicative that you do make a comment about the breath count, it adds to the overall suspicion, which while not high, is the highest I have, and given I'd like there to be a lynch each round, is the reason I voted for you, as established earlier.

 

[Elbereth she/her]

Cycle is over! Writeup will be posted momentarily.

[Elbereth she/her]

LG25: Night One - Dance of Death

Frank woke and, as usual, began wiping down the tables at the inn, as he had every morning he could remember. Every day was a routine, every step like a dance that had been choreographed years ago and danced thousands of time since then. Wipe the tables, do the accounting, bring fresh water, so and and so on throughout the day. Every day a little different, every day a variation on the one before. Everything cycled back to itself, everything stayed the same. 

But today, there was a change in the dance. Something new. That evening, Yulis commented, “I hear people have been losing their Breath in their sleep now. You know anything about that, Frank?” 

“I haven’t heard anything,” Frank said cautiously, testing out the new steps in the dance. “How’s that even possible?”

“I don’t know. You tell me,” Nelek said. “You’re the one with Idrian blood.”

“What has that got to do with anything?”

“Heard there are Idrians in town, Idrian Returned,” Alalar commented. “You have an inn. Great place to hide a few family members trying to survive.”

“I haven’t talked to my Idrian side in years, Alalar, you know that,” Frank said.

“But you do have the means. Ands the motive.”

“Hmm. Wonder if getting rid of the Idrians’ helper here would deter them from stealing our Breath,” someone said.

Frank backed away, but he couldn’t escape the rhythm of the dance.
Not even when it led to his death.

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Bugsy (Frank) was lynched! He was a Hallandren Villager with no items! 

Night One has begun. 

Vote Count: 
>Bugsy (4): Araris, Magestar, Sheep, Bard 
>Magestar (3): Mark, Frozen Mint, Meta 
>Conq (1): Lopen 
>Sheep (1): Bugsy 
>Daniyah (1): PK 
>Meta (1): Twei 
>Doctor (1): Ecth

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Night Zero
Day One

Player List

 

1. Luckat (Lularah)
2. Bugsy (Unknown)
3. Araris (Alalar)
4. Assassin in Burgundy (Burganaa)
5. Magestar (Yulis Zorander)
6. The Only Alex
7. Silverblade (Ryth)
8. Conquestor (Lorien)
9. SilverDragon (Jaftar)
10. Mark (Darb)
11. Elodin (Eventeo)
12. Sheep (Kelek)
13. Deathclutch (Asher McClallen)
14. Straw (Pallelae Hominis)
15. Paranoid King (Plathar Ku)
16. Daniyah (Dimsari)
17. Ecthelion (mysterious cloaked figure)
18. Lopen (Talion)
19. Frozen Mint (Shivawn)
20. Dalinar Kholin (Varg)
21. Meta (Cog)
22. Doctor12 (the Healer)
23. Twei (Kolth)
24. Bard (Brick)

Edited August 23, 2016 by Elbereth
forgot alignment... >>

[Araris Valerian he/him]

I assume that Bugsy was a villager?

[Elbereth she/her]

You assume correctly. (Oops.)

[Magestar he/him]

Well, I am now openly frustrated with this turn of Events.  It would have been the same outcome whichever of us you had decided to lynch, but I am still annoyed that we lost a villager.  I hope things go better tonight.

[Conquestor he/him]

It probably won't, considering we lost 8 breath a villager and will lose a villager and breath tonight, unless someone has some cool items.

[AliasSheep]

9 minutes ago, Conquestor said:

It probably won't, considering we lost 8 breath a villager and will lose a villager and breath tonight, unless someone has some cool items.

 I think Lifeless are an option at this point, so someone getting defended is a reasonable possibility. 

[Mint11 she/her]

Who's fez, Elb?  

[Elbereth she/her]

...I was using shorthand in my vote counter. Oops.  

[luckat she/her]

First, there’s five players who haven’t posted at all since the game started, which is a rather large number. @Assassin in Burgundy @Master Elodin @Daniyah @DeathClutch19 @Dalinar Kholin Please post so we at least know you’re paying attention to the game, and make sure you’re sending in actions. Also, try to read through the thread and give us your thoughts and suspicions. I know it can be daunting to figure out how these games work, but even a brief post would be helpful. Hopefully at least the ones who have been on the Shard will notice this. However, Dalinar Kholin hasn’t been on since before the game started, and Deathclutch hasn’t been on since just after N0 started. Hopefully they’ll get on.

Second, I saw no vote manipulation in the lynch, for what it's worth.

Third, I want to draw attention back to what I said during the day about actions and using Breath since it’s night now, when it’s relevant. If anyone has anything to add on the topic, feel free to say it.

On 8/22/2016 at 6:35 AM, The Young Bard said:

EDIT: In regards to what Luckat said before me, I strongly disagree with the Awakened Rope in particular. If a Returned is Roleblocked, we know because it will not be announced in the thread that someone had their Breath stolen. Then, we can suddenly reduce the number of people who could have made the action down to about 2 or 3, which is extremely valuable information, particularly if one of them is under suspicion already, then we suddenly have found ourselves an Eliminator.

While an Awakened Rope does have the potential to block an attack, as Mark said, that is a pretty small chance, especially early on, and there is a high chance of disadvantaging the village by blocking Lifeless, Strawmen, Lottery entries, and Breath storage/retrieval. Also, there are many possible reasons for no Breath theft to be in the writeup other than an Awakened Rope. If Breath stealing is blocked by a Lifeless, it doesn’t appear in the writeup at all (I checked with Elbereth). The owner of the Lifeless is informed that they stopped an attack, but unless we’re sure they’ll come forward, we can’t rule a Lifeless out if there is no Breath stolen. If the target was Drab at the beginning of the night and dies to the assassins, the Breath stealing doesn’t take place in the first place (although it’s not likely the Returned will try to steal Breath from someone already Drab). It is possible for the Returned to forget to send in an order due to miscommunication. And it is also possible for the Returned to purposefully neglect to steal Breath if they would rather use their actions on other things or they hope to trick the village into thinking someone successfully blocked the thief with an Awakened Rope.

A villager might be able to put an Awakened Rope to good use, especially later on when suspicions are more solid and the chance of hitting the Breath thief is higher, so I wouldn’t say villagers should ignore the possibility of using one altogether or immediately lynch anyone who has one. However, an Awakened Rope in the hands of the Returned would be particularly dangerous and village uses of a Rope are more risky than uses of other objects, so it would be good to look closely at anyone who uses an Awakened Rope, especially if they could have made something else instead.

Anyway, I think it’s interesting you chose that to comment on in particular out of everything I said. It’s almost as if you want anyone who uses a Rope to look less suspicious or you want more random village roleblocks.

16 hours ago, TheMightyLopen said:

Hey, sorry for not getting up that Breath advice I was gonna try to do last night. Was too tired to think clearly enough to be of any help. Anyways, looks like luckat basically already gave some and like usual, I think I agree with pretty much everything she said! I especially liked the suggestion of making and retrieving Breath from Awakened objects as a way to protect yourself(if I'm thinking about this right at least ).

Thanks. Yeah, that was the idea for retrieving Breath. However, there is a tradeoff between using actions to store and withdraw Breath and actually using items and entering the Lottery. I’d be interested in anything else you have to add.

[Magestar he/him]

I'm going to be entering the breath lottery every night until I can get a lifeless or two.  I think I can have two.  I hope so.  I see no reason not to enter the lottery every night until you can perform the action limit.  So, yeah.

Also, I think it will be more important for the village to get lifeless and straw men then to get Rabbits.  We need to survive, we have a day lynch, and once we have a few lifeless, some of us should save to get Rabbits.  Actually, a few should start saving right away, and anyone who has lifeless should protect them.

Most of this does not work without cooperation, and a good deal of knowledge.  Unfortunately, it appears to be very difficult to find out who is who in this particular game.

[Mark IV he/him]

I'm me! Does that help, @Magestar?

Edited August 23, 2016 by Mark IV

[Magestar he/him]

Sarcasm always helps.  You seem to be very fond of it.

[Mark IV he/him]

Well, that wasn't really sarcasm, just silliness. 

Edited August 23, 2016 by Mark IV
I keep forgetting to add :P

[Assassin in Burgundy he/him]

@luckat, I'm paying attention. This is my first game so I'm still trying to figure out how this all works.