Long Game 22: Corenne al'Daishar

[Haelbarde he/him]

15 minutes ago, The Only Joe said:

I redirected hael to rubiks, gamma hasn't told me if I was successful.

Well, my action targeted Rubiks instead of my original target, so I'm pretty sure it was successful.

[jaimeleecee she/her]

For now I am going to poke a vote at Winter I have gone back and forth on suspicions of her and she has been pretty inactive so I'd like to hear something.  I am also highly suspicious of Aman.. I understand the idea behind claiming someone else role as a way to build trust without actually giving yourself away but I also see it as a highly suspicious move, a great way to cover up being Fain.. but since there is already a vote on him I am not going to go that route just yet.  

 

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

Hael, did you fireball runiks, or do something else?

[Mailliw73 he/him]

Winter and Aman would also be my two biggest suspects as well. 

[AliasSheep]

I detained Meta last night.  To be honest, I was exhausted and wanted to do something, so kind of a low-reasoning decision.

[Amanuensis he/him]

9 hours ago, TheMightyLopen said:

 

 

 

What I find interesting is that I think we can narrow down on who made the Darkfriend kill a bit. Winter wasn't online and so couldn't have made the kill and I know of some players Actions I think. Sheep detained someone I guess, so we know they didn't do it. Aman was last online about 17 hours ago, so it's a bit more unlikely he'd send in the kill, unless they'd decided really early, which, I guess is possible. Joe is almost definitely a villager(or at least started as such), IMO, so he's off the suspect list.

At the moment, Haelbarde, Aman and Rubiks are my top suspects for having sent in a DF kill or Corrupting someone. Although, if Rubiks is Aiel-Blooded, I guess he wouldn't be a suspect for Fain?

Not only is it unlikely that I'd send in the kill, it's downright impossible  same applies for me Corrupting someone.

5 hours ago, Mailliw73 said:

 

Aman is also one of my top suspects right now. 

Suspect for what, exactly? And please, articulate why. Saying I'm your top suspect without any supporting data is extremely unhelpful, in my opinion.

3 hours ago, jaimeleecee said:

 

 

 

For now I am going to poke a vote at Winter I have gone back and forth on suspicions of her and she has been pretty inactive so I'd like to hear something.  I am also highly suspicious of Aman.. I understand the idea behind claiming someone else role as a way to build trust without actually giving yourself away but I also see it as a highly suspicious move, a great way to cover up being Fain.. but since there is already a vote on him I am not going to go that route just yet. 

I would consider voting for Winter since she is one of four player's whose role we don't know, but as pointed out by Lopen she was neither online to put in the Darkfriend or Corruption order, both of which occurred, therefore she's as cleared as anyone else is right now. The reason I claimed to Lopen that I was the Whitecloak is because that cycle Conquestor told me in the PM that he detained him N1, but he never claimed that he was detained when the thread was discussing what happened to the Darkfriend kill, so I thought maybe it's because he put in the order but didn't want to get caught. After he asked Gamma about it he was told because he didn't put an order in Gamma forgot. I later figured that it's possible he was attacked N1, hence the lack of a Darkfriend kill. I kept the lie up because I didn't want to put Conq's life at risk, either to a Darkfriend kill or Corruption. I would have spoken up for him and voted to ensure he wasn't lynched but unfortunately this week was my Detachment's Semi Annual Inspection, so I had no time to get online.

That being said, I'm going to vote for Bugsy. Jaimee, who did you redirect his ability too, and Bugsy, what ability did you use? Bugsy's target, can you confirm it?

As far as I know, Mailliw and Hael are the only possible Fain's other than Bugsy. One of these three is the Wolfbrother, for sure. As for the other I can't tell at this point. I am okay with being lynched this cycle, but if you guys decide to go down that route, Sheep, please detain me too, and do so from every cycle here on out. Lynching me will prove I'm Aiel-Blooded (and therefore not Fain), and keeping me detained will both protect me from attacks and keeping me from being Corrupted while ensuring everyone that I am not the last Darkfriend making kills. I suppose I could be Corrupted by now, but there's absolutely no proof to suggest that and at this point I don't think we can afford another mislynch, especially not on me.

Does anyone have definite proof that Stink is a Thief-Taker? Because if not, I have a theory regarding him I'd like people to comment on. Otherwise I won't bother typing it up.

Edited June 17, 2016 by Amanuensis

[STINK he/him]

I can prove that I'm a thief-taker, by saying who has targeted who. However, that only helps the evils and so far the people I have tracked have made no obvious evil actions.

[Mailliw73 he/him]

Aman, you, Hael, and Winter are the only roles I don't know. I'm guessing Winter is Aiel-blooded based off one comment she made, but that's very flimsy. The rest, have all basically proved their role. I would say that either Lopen or Winter is evil and, if that's not the whole team, you/Hael/Jaime(?) would be the last. One of the others is Fain. The two corrupted are much harder to find as they could be anyone. 

Edit: Basically, I'll be going through the 4 unknowns and trying to get them lynched/killed, one by one. 

Edited June 17, 2016 by Mailliw73
Added last paragraph

[Metacognition he/him]

Then at least tell us who has been cleared from the use of your power, Stink.

As Sheep said, I was the one detained (not that I needed to be to be protected ). Which means that I can't be the Darkfriend or Fain and as long as you guys either trust me on my Dreamwalker status or test it for yourself at some point (though we did have Joe's attempt at redirecting me Night 2, iirc), then I'm pretty well cleared. 

@Gamma Fiend Can Fain and/or the Darkfriends send in orders via their Docs? I'm asking because typically Winter is a bit more invested and if Lopen is one of the Corrupted, then that seems like a pretty good cover for her. Not saying this is the case, but I'm not ruling it out until Gamma answers. Also, I'm going to ask since it doesn't seem as if we have any regular villagers (thus why no Dragon-Fangs), Can Fain have more than one role? And if so, how would that appear to a Viewer? If so, would they be able to use both abilities on the same turn? Without any regular villagers in the village, Fain showing up as a regular villager to a viewer wouldn't really help much. Granted, I don't think we likely have another Viewer, but we're still looking for Fain in the same way- by ruling out those that have taken some other action and there are only 5 people that I don't at least have some idea of whether or not their actions have been accounted for. 

 

[STINK he/him]

I can safely say that none of the people that are currently under suspicion have been checked by me. I checked Bard last cycle, but he's kinda dead.

[Bugsy he/him]

Who's Fain suspect list:
Aman -
Hael - 
Winter - 

Why I'm not suspicious of the rest:
Maill - Confirmed non-Fain role
Sheep - Soft confirmed non-Fain role
Eldoin - Detained during 1st convert
Joe - Soft confirmed non-Fain role
Meta - Detained during convert #2
Lopen - Detained during 1st convert
Stink - Soft confirmed non-Fain role
Jaime - Soft confirmed non-Fain role

Me - I know I'm not

Rubiks - Aiel blooded

Now, I haven't been keeping very good notes or anything, so this is all off the top of my head. If anyone could remind me of information I may be missing here or help correct me on anything I state incorrectly, it'd be much appreciated.

Oh, and Aman, I can hopefully fill everyone in next cycle, but it'll have to wait until then. I hope you recognize that I'm not the type of player to use a pointless stall tactic to save myself for 1 turn if I don't think it'll actually benefit the village. If I don't satisfactorily answer your questions by then, you are more than welcome to lynch me, I just ask that you give me a bit of time.

Edited June 17, 2016 by Bugsy6912
Updated list

[Master Elodin]

26 minutes ago, Bugsy6912 said:

Who's Fain suspect list:
Aman - 
Nyali -
Hael - 
Winter - 
Rubiks - 

Why I'm not suspicious of the rest:
Maill - Confirmed non-Fain role
Sheep - Soft confirmed non-Fain role
Eldoin - Detained during 1st convert
Joe - Soft confirmed non-Fain role
Meta - Detained during convert #2
Lopen - Detained during 1st convert
Stink - Soft confirmed non-Fain role
Jaime - Soft confirmed non-Fain role

Now, I haven't been keeping very good notes or anything, so this is all off the top of my head. If anyone could remind me of information I may be missing here or help correct me on anything I state incorrectly, it'd be much appreciated.

Oh, and Aman, I can hopefully fill everyone in next cycle, but it'll have to wait until then. I hope you recognize that I'm not the type of player to use a pointless stall tactic to save myself for 1 turn if I don't think it'll actually benefit the village. If I don't satisfactorily answer your questions by then, you are more than welcome to lynch me, I just ask that you give me a bit of time.

I'm pretty sure that Rubiks is soft cleared because he's probably Aiel-Blooded, so there's that.

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

Okay, from what I can tell, Bugsy's list is accurate except Nyai was replaced by Joe, so she should be removed from the list and Rubiks is most likely Aiel-Blooded(unless Haelbarde protected him?), which I think should mean he can't be Fain(though it's not completely certain). If Winter could send in an order from a doc, she's a suspect as well. Otherwise, only Haelbarde and Aman are possibilities. I personally think Hael is Fain. If he is, that would be hilarious, since he was a coversion role in the last LG as well.  Aman is still just as possible though.

And I think we can practically narrow down who made the DF kill to either Rubik, Aman, myself, Mailliw, or Haelbarde. Well, actually Haelbarde was redirected to Rubik, so he's off that list. Stink, I think you should target one of these players. We know that Haelbarde targeted Rubik with something, so scanning him would be a waste.

Edit: Rubiks did claim Aiel-Blooded to me.

Edited June 17, 2016 by TheMightyLopen

[Dustbringer12 he/him]

55 minutes ago, Bugsy6912 said:

Who's Fain suspect list:
Aman - 
Nyali -
Hael - 
Winter - 
Rubiks - 

 

@Bugsy6912 well, I definitely agree with you that I could be fain, based off of the solid evidence so far, but I told Lopen that I was aiel blooded, as he said here:

30 minutes ago, TheMightyLopen said:

Edit: Rubiks did claim Aiel-Blooded to me.

Within  that time period I would have no idea who might target me for a kill during the night, so, reasonably, I have to be an aiel blooded like I said (which, as you know, doesn't really do me any good anymore  ), which would make it impossible for me to be fain.

[Bugsy he/him]

So Aman, Winter, and Hael are the 3 remaining suspects I have for Fain. I'm voting on Aman for now because he's a possibility for both DF or Fain, assuming Lopen is correct. Theif trackers, I'd suggest you target Aman and Winter this cycle so we know at least 1 corrupted if one turns out to be Fain. We already know Hael was redirected to Rubicks, so that's less of an imperative.

[Haelbarde he/him]

5 hours ago, The Only Joe said:

Hael, did you fireball runiks, or do something else?

Something else - I'm assuming that Bard fireballed Rubik's.

Also, you seemed to miss my question - were you/Nyali detained N1?

2 hours ago, Metacognition said:

Then at least tell us who has been cleared from the use of your power, Stink.

As Sheep said, I was the one detained (not that I needed to be to be protected ). Which means that I can't be the Darkfriend or Fain and as long as you guys either trust me on my Dreamwalker status or test it for yourself at some point (though we did have Joe's attempt at redirecting me Night 2, iirc), then I'm pretty well cleared. 

@Gamma Fiend Can Fain and/or the Darkfriends send in orders via their Docs? I'm asking because typically Winter is a bit more invested and if Lopen is one of the Corrupted, then that seems like a pretty good cover for her. Not saying this is the case, but I'm not ruling it out until Gamma answers. Also, I'm going to ask since it doesn't seem as if we have any regular villagers (thus why no Dragon-Fangs), Can Fain have more than one role? And if so, how would that appear to a Viewer? If so, would they be able to use both abilities on the same turn? Without any regular villagers in the village, Fain showing up as a regular villager to a viewer wouldn't really help much. Granted, I don't think we likely have another Viewer, but we're still looking for Fain in the same way- by ruling out those that have taken some other action and there are only 5 people that I don't at least have some idea of whether or not their actions have been accounted for. 

 

It is definitely possible that we could have 2 regular villagers - I thought you need two fangs on the same door to get the extra vote. If one never put in an order, the fang would never appear. And we have 4 people who have claimed Aiel-blooded: Aman, Rubiks, Lopen, and Winter (kinda). Seems much more likely to me that some of them are regulars.

1 hour ago, TheMightyLopen said:

Okay, from what I can tell, Bugsy's list is accurate except Nyai was replaced by Joe, so she should be removed from the list and Rubiks is most likely Aiel-Blooded(unless Haelbarde protected him?), which I think should mean he can't be Fain(though it's not completely certain). If Winter could send in an order from a doc, she's a suspect as well. Otherwise, only Haelbarde and Aman are possibilities. I personally think Hael is Fain. If he is, that would be hilarious, since he was a coversion role in the last LG as well.  Aman is still just as possible though.

And I think we can practically narrow down who made the DF kill to either Rubik, Aman, myself, Mailliw, or Haelbarde. Well, actually Haelbarde was redirected to Rubik, so he's off that list. Stink, I think you should target one of these players. We know that Haelbarde targeted Rubik with something, so scanning him would be a waste.

Edit: Rubiks did claim Aiel-Blooded to me.

My role is amusing, but not for that reason.

[Mailliw73 he/him]

Like Bugsy, since Aman is on both lists, I think we lynch him first. Then, tonight, the Wolfbrother kills Winter/Hael if Aman isn't Fain. If he is, the list opens up more.  

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

51 minutes ago, Haelbarde said:

were you/Nyali detained N1?

Not that I can see. gamma told me what Nyali's action was N1, and it wasn't being detained.

[Haelbarde he/him]

2 minutes ago, The Only Joe said:

Not that I can see. gamma told me what Nyali's action was N1, and it wasn't being detained.

Can you confirm that it was specifically Bard she failed to redirect?

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

Nyali successfully redirect Bard to Elodin, but it did nothing.

[Haelbarde he/him]

Just now, The Only Joe said:

Nyali successfully redirect Bard to Elodin, but it did nothing.

Oh, so it was indeed successful? I thought that Gamma had told her it had failed. 

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

That was what the whole debacle was about. Gamma told her it failed, because Bard it didn't do anything. It was succesful, but Bard hadn't done anything, or something like that.

[Mailliw73 he/him]

1 minute ago, The Only Joe said:

That was what the whole debacle was about. Gamma told her it failed, because Bard it didn't do anything. It was succesful, but Bard hadn't done anything, or something like that.

That matches what Bard told me about his N1 actions. He claimed to do nothing.

[Haelbarde he/him]

The issue had been that she'd assumed it was successful, only to find out that it hand't worked. As far as the thread was aware, we thought that Nyali's action had failed. As in Gamma had apologized for not PMing her her results and that her redirect had actually failed. So just to clarify, what Gamma said to Nyali was clarifying that while her action was successful, if someone didn't put in an action, the redirect would still be successful?

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

Yes. I think. Ug, Ta'veran rules are so ridiculously convoluted.