Mailliw73 he/him Posted June 18, 2016 Posted June 18, 2016 Just now, The Only Joe said: Yes. I think. Ug, Ta'veran rules are so ridiculously convoluted. How? They're just like every other redirect's rules.
Jo and the Bush all/any Posted June 18, 2016 Posted June 18, 2016 No, most redirect rules are simply, make this person visit that person. It's successful if this person has an action. Period. Not all this, they have to take an action or otherwise the redirect is successful but fails.
Haelbarde he/him Posted June 18, 2016 Posted June 18, 2016 3 minutes ago, The Only Joe said: Yes. I think. Ug, Ta'veran rules are so ridiculously convoluted. :'( I'm a bit sad - I've been trying to work out why Nyali's action failed the last few cycles :/
Mailliw73 he/him Posted June 18, 2016 Posted June 18, 2016 Just now, The Only Joe said: No, most redirect rules are simply, make this person visit that person. It's successful if this person has an action. Period. Not all this, they have to take an action or otherwise the redirect is successful but fails. Not that I've seen. In LG20, you were told that you successfully attempted to redirect that person's action. You weren't told if they took one or not. I don't know if I've ever seen a game where you do get told that that person makes an action.
Haelbarde he/him Posted June 18, 2016 Posted June 18, 2016 Anyway, unless anyone has any specific questions for me, @Aonar Faileas has now taken over, and I will be going dark in the next 12 hours. 1
Dustbringer12 he/him Posted June 18, 2016 Posted June 18, 2016 (edited) Vote updates! Lynch vote: Aman (2)-Maill, bugsy Winter (1)-Jaime Bugsy (1)-aman Mayoral vote: Not much so far, but progress. By the way, it makes it easier for those of us counting votes if you don't cancel a vote made before a vote count is posted. Edited June 18, 2016 by RubiksCube stuff. but really, just that last sentence.
Mailliw73 he/him Posted June 18, 2016 Posted June 18, 2016 @RubiksCube Any ideas on the three currently being voted for? Maill. 1
Jo and the Bush all/any Posted June 18, 2016 Posted June 18, 2016 (edited) [colour=MayorVoteColour] Mailliw73 [/colour] I don't really see a point in lynching Winter yet, since she can't be fain, or the last Darfkriend, SO I'll vote for [colour=LynchVoteColour] Aman [/colour]. I don't really have an opinion on Bugsy. Edited June 18, 2016 by The Only Joe taking my vote off the bloody american who can't be bothered to spell properly. God save the Queen!
Mailliw73 he/him Posted June 18, 2016 Posted June 18, 2016 (edited) 26 minutes ago, The Only Joe said: [colour=MayorVoteColour] Mailliw73 [/colour] I don't really see a point in lynching Winter yet, since she can't be fain, or the last Darfkriend, SO I'll vote for [colour=LynchVoteColour] Aman [/colour]. I don't really have an opinion on Bugsy. You know, I almost want to down vote that for the spelling. Edited June 18, 2016 by Mailliw73
Metacognition he/him Posted June 18, 2016 Posted June 18, 2016 That was quick. Two votes for Maill for Mayor right on top of each other? With Fain and two corrupted, Adding another vote via Mayor would allow you to control the lynch fairly easily. I don't think either of you are Darkfriends, but they're not our biggest concern at the moment; Fain is. I'd rather at this point keep the mayor vote out of use for manipulation. As I've stated before, there's been no chance of me being corrupted (Proven by Nyali/Joe's attempt to divert my action and failing) and since I was detained last night when a corruption happened, I can't be Fain either. I trust that the both of them are not Darkfriends at this point (but even on that point, I could be wrong). But, I don't trust them to not be corrupted. At least not enough to allow this mayor-ship to go through uncontested. Mezal is the obvious choice for mayor so that we can keep it from being used against the village. I'd also be comfortable with Elodin, but since he's not been around as much, I can't say whether he's put in his actions and could thus be corrupted.
Jo and the Bush all/any Posted June 18, 2016 Posted June 18, 2016 (edited) Since Mailliw threatened the proper spelling of the word colour, I shall instead vote Mezal for mayor. Edited June 19, 2016 by The Only Joe Aman 2k16
Metacognition he/him Posted June 18, 2016 Posted June 18, 2016 You do know that you switching so much is going to put you in crosshairs once we do find Fain, Joe. And just to test your resilience, you can spell "color" however you want. BUT, since the only way for you to make your vote count is to spell it "color," I think you've already given in. I am wanting to hear Aman's defense of himself though. He said earlier that: 15 hours ago, Amanuensis said: Not only is it unlikely that I'd send in the kill, it's downright impossible same applies for me Corrupting someone. So if there's some great reason for why we shouldn't expect you Aman, now would be the time to say it. You supposedly claimed Aiel-Blood before, so that leaves you pretty open to perform other actions. 1
Amanuensis he/him Posted June 18, 2016 Posted June 18, 2016 15 hours ago, STINK said: I can prove that I'm a thief-taker, by saying who has targeted who. However, that only helps the evils and so far the people I have tracked have made no obvious evil actions. There's so much wrong with this statement, in my opinion. It doesn't only help the evils because at this point in time you yourself could be evil. Knowing that Seonid was a Ta'veren, do we have an idea what his actions have been this game? I'm currently wondering if he attempted to redirect Meta's action N1 and, having learned that he had no action to redirect, someone on his team came up with a plan for a teammate to use that information to claim Thief-Taker. Apart from that event (you "following" Meta) I am unaware of any other information you've gained via your ability. And the fact that "the people you've tracked made no obvious evil actions" seems more to me like a typical excuse a Mafia makes when they're out of valid lies and want to stall. Hence why I asked people if they had any definitive proof that he is what he says he is. 15 hours ago, Mailliw73 said: Aman, you, Hael, and Winter are the only roles I don't know. I'm guessing Winter is Aiel-blooded based off one comment she made, but that's very flimsy. The rest, have all basically proved their role. I would say that either Lopen or Winter is evil and, if that's not the whole team, you/Hael/Jaime(?) would be the last. One of the others is Fain. The two corrupted are much harder to find as they could be anyone. Edit: Basically, I'll be going through the 4 unknowns and trying to get them lynched/killed, one by one. Well, I'm Aiel-Blooded. The only person I honestly told my role to was Stink, though he doesn't seem to believe it. If that was just an act and he actually did, that would also support the above theory of him being evil, since until this cycle not a single Aiel-Blooded (claimed or otherwise) has been attacked. Other than Stink I have been trying pretty hard to bait the Darkfriends into attacking me (Channeller and White Cloak claims), and that's the only real reason I can think of for why they haven't bothered with me, yet. That, on top of the fact that Rae and Stink have often joked that the greatest indicator for my alignment is whether or not I have survived a few cycles or been killed by eliminators immediately. I would NOT be surprised if Stink suggested letting me live long enough for people to start questioning that, and thus mislead the village into killing another one of their own (or in my case, removing my extra life so that I'm ripe for removal). 15 hours ago, STINK said: I can safely say that none of the people that are currently under suspicion have been checked by me. I checked Bard last cycle, but he's kinda dead. Just to emphasize my point earlier about typical Mafia excuses. A bit convenient that you followed the player who the Darkfriend's just kill, isn't it? 15 hours ago, Bugsy6912 said: Who's Fain suspect list: Aman - Hael - Winter - ... Oh, and Aman, I can hopefully fill everyone in next cycle, but it'll have to wait until then. I hope you recognize that I'm not the type of player to use a pointless stall tactic to save myself for 1 turn if I don't think it'll actually benefit the village. If I don't satisfactorily answer your questions by then, you are more than welcome to lynch me, I just ask that you give me a bit of time. Bugsy, I am willing to give you another cycle (not that it's my decision since I've had little to no sway this game). For everyone, if you think it's necessary to test me first, feel free. I am perfectly okay with being lynched since I will survive it, I just ask that Sheep also detain me to prove I'm not a Darkfriend too. It puts them in a precarious position because they have to either A: Use a kill and prove my innocence, B: Waste a night turn to mislead people into thinking I'm the last Darkfriend. Either way, it's a win-win for the village, in my opinion, as it stalls the game in our favor. That being said, I would rather we not waste my extra life and go for a more valid target such as Hael. Unlike me, who I'm pretty sure every player (up until this cycle) has said they believe is a villager, Hael has taken no solid stances on anything and been consistently read as neutral all game. In my mind that makes him a much better target for this lynch between him, Winter (who is confirmed innocent as she was never online to send in the orders) and me. 13 hours ago, Bugsy6912 said: So Aman, Winter, and Hael are the 3 remaining suspects I have for Fain. I'm voting on Aman for now because he's a possibility for both DF or Fain, assuming Lopen is correct. Theif trackers, I'd suggest you target Aman and Winter this cycle so we know at least 1 corrupted if one turns out to be Fain. We already know Hael was redirected to Rubicks, so that's less of an imperative. 13 hours ago, Mailliw73 said: Like Bugsy, since Aman is on both lists, I think we lynch him first. Then, tonight, the Wolfbrother kills Winter/Hael if Aman isn't Fain. If he is, the list opens up more. 6 hours ago, The Only Joe said: [colour=MayorVoteColour] Mailliw73 [/colour] I don't really see a point in lynching Winter yet, since she can't be fain, or the last Darfkriend, SO I'll vote for [colour=LynchVoteColour] Aman [/colour]. I don't really have an opinion on Bugsy. Based off of these posts and the knowledge of my innocence, I am, however, convinced one of you three is Corrupted, if not two of you. Bugsy for his "assuming Lopen is correct" (I find that eliminators tend to go along with anything that might get a villager lynched without double checking the information, whereas a villager will more likely go over everything themselves to make sure there's no holes in the logic presented), and the fact that he proposes any Thief-Takers target either me (who he is trying to kill) or Winter (who could not have made any action last night). I just find it funny how he doesn't mention Hael, the other Fain suspect, but does bring up two players that I know for a fact are villagers. Both points apply to Joe, and the first to Mailliw. I also think Lopen is a tentative Corrupted, due to him now casting suspicion on me, thoughI could see him switching his perspective after it being proven I was not a Whitecloak like I claimed either way. 2 hours ago, Metacognition said: I am wanting to hear Aman's defense of himself though. He said earlier that: "AWESOME QUOTE!" So if there's some great reason for why we shouldn't expect you Aman, now would be the time to say it. You supposedly claimed Aiel-Blood before, so that leaves you pretty open to perform other actions. Expect me to what? I'll assume you mean suspect, which sadly there's nothing I can provide that I haven't already. Is this post an adequate defense? Or are there any questions you (or anyone else) would like me to answer, in particular?
Bugsy he/him Posted June 18, 2016 Posted June 18, 2016 (edited) @Amanuensis, I'm on mobile rn so I can't quote you very easily, but your point about me not mentioning Hael is completely unfounded. I literally say that we know Hael was redirected to Rubix in the quote you're posting. Perhaps you're hoping people don't fact check you (like you just said eliminators do). I'm crossing the Canadian border (airfare is cheaper from Toronto), so I have to put away my phone, but I'll get back on as soon as I get wifi to elaborate and make some other points Edited June 18, 2016 by Bugsy6912
Amanuensis he/him Posted June 18, 2016 Posted June 18, 2016 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Bugsy6912 said: @Amanuensis, I'm on mobile rn so I can't quote you very easily, but your point about me not mentioning Hael is completely unfounded. I literally say that we know Hael was redirected to Rubix in the quote you're posting. Perhaps you're hoping people don't fact check you (like you just said eliminators do). I'm crossing the Canadian border (airfare is cheaper from Toronto), so I have to put away my phone, but I'll get back on as soon as I get wifi to elaborate and make some other points It proves that Hael isn't a Darkfriend, yes, but not that he's not Fain (which is the train of thought I was following; I never suggested Hael for Darkfriend). And if he is Fain, then lynching him would prove that Rubiks is Corrupted. Two birds with one stone. Am I wrong here? Edited June 18, 2016 by Amanuensis To add context
Mailliw73 he/him Posted June 18, 2016 Posted June 18, 2016 8 hours ago, Metacognition said: That was quick. Two votes for Maill for Mayor right on top of each other? With Fain and two corrupted, Adding another vote via Mayor would allow you to control the lynch fairly easily. I don't think either of you are Darkfriends, but they're not our biggest concern at the moment; Fain is. I'd rather at this point keep the mayor vote out of use for manipulation. As I've stated before, there's been no chance of me being corrupted (Proven by Nyali/Joe's attempt to divert my action and failing) and since I was detained last night when a corruption happened, I can't be Fain either. I trust that the both of them are not Darkfriends at this point (but even on that point, I could be wrong). But, I don't trust them to not be corrupted. At least not enough to allow this mayor-ship to go through uncontested. Mezal is the obvious choice for mayor so that we can keep it from being used against the village. I'd also be comfortable with Elodin, but since he's not been around as much, I can't say whether he's put in his actions and could thus be corrupted. Sorry, but the only person I 100% trust anymore is myself. I'm not sure why Joe voted for me too and then you. 1 hour ago, Amanuensis said: It proves that Hael isn't a Darkfriend, yes, but not that he's not Fain (which is the train of thought I was following; I never suggested Hael for Darkfriend). And if he is Fain, then lynching him would prove that Rubiks is Corrupted. Two birds with one stone. Am I wrong here? I also mentioned Hael as a possibility for Fain... I'm honestly fine with either of you being lynched.
Bugsy he/him Posted June 18, 2016 Posted June 18, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, Amanuensis said: It proves that Hael isn't a Darkfriend, yes, but not that he's not Fain (which is the train of thought I was following; I never suggested Hael for Darkfriend). And if he is Fain, then lynching him would prove that Rubiks is Corrupted. Two birds with one stone. Am I wrong here? I'm not saying Hael is cleared by any means, just that the thief trackers shouldn't target him because we already know who he targeted. It's beginning to feel like you're deliberately misinterpreting me Edited June 18, 2016 by Bugsy6912 Wrong quote
Amanuensis he/him Posted June 18, 2016 Posted June 18, 2016 1 minute ago, Mailliw73 said: I also mentioned Hael as a possibility for Fain... I'm honestly fine with either of you being lynched. Well, I highly recommend us lynching Hael. If he's not Fain then feel free to come at me with a Wolfbrother or the lynch the next day. That being said, technically Hael is no longer in the game, and the suspect is now Aonar. @Aonar Faileas, do you have anything helpful to contribute? 1 minute ago, Bugsy6912 said: I'm not saying Hael is cleared by any means, just that the thief trackers shouldn't target him because we already know who he targeted. It's beginning to feel like you're deliberately misinterpreting me Ah, no. I see where I was confused, now. I'm not sure why but my mind completely disregarded anything regarding Thief-Talking in favor of finding Fain. That's my bad. It wasn't an intentional misinterpretation, I assure you. I'm still suspicious of you because as of right now I have absolutely no reason to trust you (no idea what role you have, if any) but that paragraph is pretty much rendered null, as I was analyzing you from the perspective that Haelaonar is Fain and you were trying to keep him from being lynched (since earlier I saw something that said, I think from you as well, where only Haelaonar, Winter and I were possible Fain's, and I know for a fact I'm not and Winter is proven without a doubt. I think that's why I was confused). Anyway, I think I have a pretty solid plan. If we lynch Haelaonar and have Stink Thief-Take me we should be good. If it turns out Haelaonar is Fain then that would mean Rubicks is Corrupted, so we'd have to kill him anyway, regardless if he's the last Darkfriend or not. Stink will then prove I'm not Fain or a Darkfriend because he'd learn I made no action last night, allowing me to keep my remaining life while also removing any reason for people to suspect me. If it turns out that Hael is not Fain then that means someone lied about their role (though it wouldn't be me because Stink would be able to vouch for me) and we can begin looking at the players who have no solid confirmations so far.
Bugsy he/him Posted June 18, 2016 Posted June 18, 2016 (edited) How is Winter confirmed not to be Fain? I don't recall anything like that. Or is it just information you have that isn't shared publicly right now? Oh, and I like your plan. Only error I could see is if Stink is corrupted already Edited June 18, 2016 by Bugsy6912
Amanuensis he/him Posted June 18, 2016 Posted June 18, 2016 (edited) Will this work? I'll be very happy if it does. Name Role(claim) Proof Darkfriend? Padan? Aman Aiel-Blooded GM PM No No Sheep Whitecloak Scanned by Viewer No No Winter Unknown Not Online No (unless there are 5 Darkfriends) No Jaimee Ta’veren Redirected Bugsy No (unless there are 5 Darkriends) No (unless corrupted by Bugsy) Joe Ta’veren Redirected Hael No (unless there are 5 Darkfriends) No (unless corrupted by Hael) Rubiks Aiel-Blooded Survived Fireball Maybe No Elodin Dreamwalker Multiple Wolf Attempts Maybe No Meta “Dreamwalker” Detained No No Stink “Thief-Taker” None that I’m aware of Maybe Maybe Bugsy Unknown None that I’m aware of Maybe Maybe Mailliw Unknown None that I’m aware of Maybe Maybe Haelaonar Unknown None that I’m aware of Maybe Maybe Lopen “Aiel-Blooded” None Unlikely Maybe 32 minutes ago, Bugsy6912 said: How is Winter confirmed not to be Fain? I don't recall anything like that. Or is it just information you have that isn't shared publicly right now? Oh, and I like your plan. Only error I could see is if Stink is corrupted already She's confirmed because both a Darkfriend and Corruption occurred last night and she was never online to send in an order. If Stink's Corrupted all that means is he'd have to be honest to avoid suspicion, or lie and say I'm evil which after my death would prove he's evil, so that isn't really an error. If you still think I'm Fain though, all it takes is a lynch to confirm I'm not, and I'm okay with doing that but like I said, unless people have a solid reason to suspect me other than unaccounted for actions, I'd rather we lynch another player with things that suggest they're evil on top of it. Edited June 18, 2016 by Amanuensis Edited for clarity, to respond to Bugsy AND to fix Meta's row, as I missed him being detained
Dustbringer12 he/him Posted June 18, 2016 Posted June 18, 2016 Vote updates! Lynch vote: Amanuensis/Nikel (2)-Maill, bugsy, Joe, Meta Winter/Lexa&Heaven (1)-Jaime HaelAonar/M’Hael (1)-aman Mayoral vote: Maill/Amaiya (1)– Maill Mezal/meta (2) – Meta, Joe 12 hours ago, Mailliw73 said: @RubiksCube Any ideas on the three currently being voted for? On those three? I think that aman definitely could be a darkfriend, but considering the votes he made in the past, it is very unlikely. He could be Fain (which would be rediculously funny, considering his avatar). Winter could be a darkfriend, But again, not likely, unless there are five, which is possible. Bugsy was the other one when you asked, and I'm not so sure of that one. I would lean more to bugsy being either a villager or corrupted.
Amanuensis he/him Posted June 18, 2016 Posted June 18, 2016 (edited) 22 minutes ago, RubiksCube said: On those three? I think that aman definitely could be a darkfriend, but considering the votes he made in the past, it is very unlikely. He could be Fain (which would be rediculously funny, considering his avatar). Winter could be a darkfriend, But again, not likely, unless there are five, which is possible. Bugsy was the other one when you asked, and I'm not so sure of that one. I would lean more to bugsy being either a villager or corrupted. How do you feel about lynching Aonar? Also, how are the votes I've made in the past indicative of me being a villager? Unless you mean me not voting, since I think so far the only player I actually pushed to lynch until now was Elbereth, who turned out to be a Wolfsister, which in my opinion is more suspicious than not. Plus I defended Sart, albeit indirectly, which could very well suggest I was a Darkfriend trying to get votes off of him without interfering directly by inciting a tie. 6 minutes ago, Mailliw73 said: Aman. Meta. Can you explain the vote on Meta for me? Unless I missed something, he can't be Fain or the last Darkfriend either. Edited June 18, 2016 by Amanuensis Edited to add more to my response to Rubiks
TheMightyLopen he/him Posted June 18, 2016 Posted June 18, 2016 (edited) I think we should lynch Hael/Aonar, and then let Stink use his thief-taker power on Aman and Sheep Detains Rubik(if they're around right now?). Or the Wolfbrother kills Rubik. Rubik is my top suspect for Darkfriend at the moment, I think, with Haelaonar as my top suspect for Fain. I'd suggest Stink uses his power on Rubik instead of Aman, but since players seem to want to lynch Aman, I'd compromise. I'm getting a village read on Aman still I think. Edit: I'm on mobile which is why my post is short. I'm probably not gonna be on again for the rest of this Day Turn. Edit2: Uh, okay, nevermind. Didn't realize we still had 30 hours left. O.o I should be back in 4 or 5 hours. Edited June 18, 2016 by TheMightyLopen
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