Quick Fix Game 15: Death Note

[Haelbarde he/him]

.... What does that mean?

.

And Joe is just trolling. The village kept Aman alive in, was it MR12? They got burnt by it - half the promised intel was false.

[Arraenae]

Not half, just a very critical bit of information at the end, when he was near-invulnerable to the lynch. And he trolled everybody until the end.

[Haelbarde he/him]

Not half, just a very critical bit of information at the end, when he was near-invulnerable to the lynch. And he trolled everybody until the end.

I died N2, so I didn't follow it too closely.

I don't suppose anyone else got a PM from Joe essentially asking if they wanted to be the next holder?

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

I may troll, but I don't outright Lie. Ok, no, I do outright lie, but only about alignment. I dont lie about about actions. If I'm alive tomorrow, I will tell you Vital Information. And Luna already mentioned what I'm telling you.

[LUNA]

I don't suppose anyone else got a PM from Joe essentially asking if they wanted to be the next holder?

I did as well.

 

I may troll, but I don't outright Lie. Ok, no, I do outright lie, but only about alignment. I dont lie about about actions. If I'm alive tomorrow, I will tell you Vital Information. And Luna already mentioned what I'm telling you.

All I've talked about are murderers making a kill, or secret roles. Neither of those seem important enough for me to chance that you actually know anything and lt you live one more day. 

 

 EDIT: Hael what did I just listen to? 

Edited May 12, 2016 by LUNA

[Master Elodin]

I died N2, so I didn't follow it too closely.

I don't suppose anyone else got a PM from Joe essentially asking if they wanted to be the next holder?

I did.

[Arraenae]

Joe PMed me and asked if I wanted to be the next holder.

[Haelbarde he/him]

 EDIT: Hael what did I just listen to? 

The credits to the game 'Portal', where GLaDOS sings about killing things and doing science.

[Burnt Spaghetti she/her]

I don't suppose anyone else got a PM from Joe essentially asking if they wanted to be the next holder?

Am I the only one to not get asked?  I guess no one wants the partially insane pyromaniac to have a death note

[Arraenae]

EDIT: Hael what did I just listen to? 

 

The credits to the game 'Portal', where GLaDOS sings about killing things and doing science.

 

Also the original version of the song that the Dark Alley parodied here. http://vocaroo.com/i/s0jcobGyLVfD

 

EDIT: okay, it's not that one. It's this:

 

Still Alive: Dark Alley:

 

 

You are a triumph.

 

We’re making a note here:

HUGE SUCCESS.

It's hard to overstate our satisfaction.

Oh the Dark Alley.

We do what we must because we can.

For the good of all of us

Except the ones who are dead.

But there's no sense crying over your brother Mike.

You just keep on trying till you run out of spikes.

Hemalurgy gets done and you make a Metalborn.

Of the people who are still alive.

You shouldn’t be angry.

It only effected a couple men.

And, of course, we broke their Webs and killed them.

And tore Webs to pieces.

And put every piece into a spike.

And as we put them in, it hurt because

You are becoming so great!

Now these points of data make a beautiful line.

And we're in Alley Beta, we’re releasing you on time.

So be GLaD you got spiked

Think of how much you’ll be liked

By the people who are still alive.

Go ahead and leave us.

We really prefer to stay in here.

Jump away and find someone to help you.

Maybe Preservation...

THAT WAS A JOKE. Haha. FAT CHANCE.

Anyway, this cookie’s great.

It's so chocolaty and soft.

Look at us still talking when there's Science to do.

When we look out there it makes us so GLaD for you.

We've experiments to run, there is research to be done

On the people who are still alive

And believe me we are still alive.

We’re doing science and we’re still alive.

We’re stocking spikes and we are still alive.

We’ll get test subjects while we’re still alive.

And when there’s no more we’ll be still alive.

Still alive

Still alive

 

EDIT 2: Whatever Joe's figured out about secret roles (if he even knows anything), the rest of us can figure out. I know I said before that guessing secret roles is a path to madness, but with village murders being guilty and eliminator corrupted cops being innocent, scanning seems to have been set up to be inaccurate. Either L was supposed to be very central to this game, or there are other scanners out there, otherwise Alvron put a lot of effort into adding uncertainty into a single person's scans.

Edited May 12, 2016 by Arraenae

[Haelbarde he/him]

Vote Tally:
Joe(4): Mailliw, Elodin{1}, Joe{1}, Mark{1}, Hellscythe, Luna, Arraenae,
Luna(0): Elodin{2}, Joe{2}
Hael(2): Mark{2}, Joe{3}

[cloudjumper he/him]

Well I think that we should keep Joe alive for at least this round, so I think that Luna should be lynched.

[Bugsy he/him]

Well I think that we should keep Joe alive for at least this round, so I think that Luna should be lynched.

Any rationale for keeping him alive just one round? I say we either kill him now (via murder or lynch) or leave him alive; half measures won't help us right now. I personally think we should let him live, because it's better for us if we know 1/2 of the people trying to manipulate our votes, rather than both being anonymous. It also might force Ryuk to waste a turn killing Joe. If Joe turns out to be Ryuk (which, by the way, I doubt based on the risks he's taken), we still can kill him later, and if he isn't we can disadvantage the player who is.

I suppose we could avoid lynching him until Ryuk does it for us, if that is what you were proposing, although I'm not sure it is what you meant

Edited May 12, 2016 by Bugsy6912

[cloudjumper he/him]

Any rationale for keeping him alive just one round? I say we either kill him now (via murder or lynch) or leave him alive; half measures won't help us right now. I personally think we should let him live, because it's better for us if we know 1/2 of the people trying to manipulate our votes, rather than both being anonymous. It also might force Ryuk to waste a turn killing Joe. If Joe turns out to be Ryuk (which, by the way, I doubt based on the risks he's taken), we still can kill him later, and if he isn't we can disadvantage the player who is.

I suppose we could avoid lynching him until Ryuk does it for us, if that is what you were proposing, although I'm not sure it is what you meant

Well actually this is what I meant.

If I'm alive tomorrow, I'll reveal a juicy secret that you guys really will want to know. [sing-Song voice] But only if I'm still alive![/sSv]

So I think that we should keep him alive for one day, but if he doesn't keep his promise then we should lynch him.

[LUNA]

Any rationale for keeping him alive just one round? I say we either kill him now (via murder or lynch) or leave him alive; half measures won't help us right now. I personally think we should let him live, because it's better for us if we know 1/2 of the people trying to manipulate our votes, rather than both being anonymous. It also might force Ryuk to waste a turn killing Joe. If Joe turns out to be Ryuk (which, by the way, I doubt based on the risks he's taken), we still can kill him later, and if he isn't we can disadvantage the player who is.

I suppose we could avoid lynching him until Ryuk does it for us, if that is what you were proposing, although I'm not sure it is what you meant

Except when will Ryuk kill him? That's the real issue. Joe and Ryuk (or if he IS ryuk) can communicate. I'm sure that they are doing this to keep the holder alive and completely screw with the village . I doubt that Ryuk will be killing Joe, at least not anytime soon.

[Mark IV he/him]

Oh he'll keep his promise alright. Just how true that information will be is a very big question. After all, he never said he'd give us true information, did he?

Ragardless, at this point, the votes are set up such that Joe will still be lynched. I don't see why, but there's not much I can do about it right now.

My rationale for not killing him (and I suspect many of yours too)is that if we kill him, well still have two eliminators next cycle. We just won't know who the holder or Ryuk is.

Their we vote will count towards discord just as much as joe's vote will. We just won't know who is trying to kill a civilian.

I know I just worded that very confusingly. I tend to switch assumptions without warning, and that gets confusing on text. Sorry.

[Burnt Spaghetti she/her]

For all we know, "juicy secret" means he'll tell us what is the favorite fruit of the player who is Ryuk..

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

Very Well mark. The Information will all be true. It will be mechanics about the game that are unknown to anyone except me and my fellow eliminator. It will drastically change the Town's plan, and likely send them into a panic.

[Arraenae]

I feel like somewhere, Joe and Ryuk are watching this debate and laughing at us.

 

According to Alvron:

 

Are there secret rules?

No.

 

 

 

Roles have their own abilities.  Rules are something that affects everyone regardless of Role.

 

The GM himself says there are no secret rules or mechanics in this game. Even if you don't trust Alvron's word, keep in mind that one of the responsibilities of a GM is to run a balanced game, and this is not a Joe game, this is an Alvron game, and as a GM Alvron must keep the game balanced. We may have disruptive roles like demolitionists, but those are secret roles, not rules.

 

Joe is making things up to stay alive.

[Elbereth she/her]

Okay. Decided I'd try to do a bit of summary/analysis on Joe's posts, since I seem to be in an analyzing mood today.

Day 1

Post 1: Joe proposes his plan. Presumably to get police and murderer contacts, with the side benefit of looking very villagery. Also suggests a murderer lynch, no D1 lynch. I don't know what to draw from that. Oh, and also a mass murderer reveal. Which would definitely help Ryuk with who to convert, once Joe was inevitably (at that point) revealed and killed.

Post 2: Responds to Lopen. Asks for police protection, which makes perfect sense and leaves Ryuk free to target whoever. Including, say, Meta, although apparently they decided to go after Lopen first (presumably because he claimed/implied cop to Joe/Ryuk).

Post 3: I point out a problem in his plan (which actually wasn't a problem, as Lopen pointed out later - if Ryuk/Holder claimed cop and was told who L was, they still wouldn't be able to kill him because the real policepeople would also know L's identity and be able to protect him), which results in him delaying the plan and making it so that L can only scan police. Which is really nice for Ryuk, isn't it, if anyone were to try to salvage the plan once he was revealed. He also points out that he doesn't in fact have to die immediately this way.

Post 4: Responds to Rae's vote. Nothing much of note here, I don't think, although Rae is maybe a little less likely to be Ryuk.

Post 5: Clarifies that he sent the same message to everyone.

Post 6: Asks Rae about her vote. Again, Rae's a bit less likely to be Ryuk. (Only a very small bit, though.)

Post 7: Weirdly small font. (Indication of having been written in a doc, perhaps? I actually had that thought at the time, but I decided it wasn't worth a mention, since I was pretty sure he was village. Oops.) Reveals that he's been contacted by L, which... seems odd for him to do as an eliminator. Better to not reveal that he's been contacted, right? Maybe he already knew that L had revealed to someone else? I'm not sure. Maybe to verify that L was actually L, and not just fakeclaiming?

Post 8: "That's a relief", in response to Alv's clarification that Ryuk can't kill and convert in the same cycle. Not much here.

Post 9: Says he and Sheep were contacted by separate L's. (Also, wishes he were the holder, in response to Hael. ...) This... hmm. I don't know. He could have been lying? I don't really know why he would, though. This whole situation confuses me, so I'll leave it alone unless I think of anything.

Post 10: "Neither of us have revealed the Identity[sic] of our L." (In response to Hael. Same deal as with Rae.) Presumably true, or Sheep would call him on it. (Side note - Sheep is pretty likely not to be Ryuk now. Unless Conquestor had really bad luck in claiming.)

Post 11: Tells Conquestor that he's sent a plan to L and is waiting for L to get online. Which is interesting. Misdirection, I guess?

Post 12: Responds to Hael's fake-scan plan, saying it's a good idea. I suppose it wouldn't have mattered to him at that point, since he already knew L's identity.

Post 13: Agrees with Lopen that Hael seems suspicious and likely to be Ryuk, but doesn't vote on him. At this point, I'm inclined to believe that Hael's not an eliminator. Although Ryuk/Joe did know from the beginning that Joe would likely be dying relatively quickly. So it's possible that they just distanced themselves a lot, and Hael is Ryuk. It doesn't feel that way to me, though.

Post 14: Announces that he and L are trying to find a police to be the thread proxy. Possibly trying to get police to claim to him?

Post 15: Reiterates that he intends to delay his death "until the death of the current Holder". Which... is technically true... Why, Joe. Why. We're already getting trolling wordplay from Alv. Why do we have to get it from you, too? ...Hmph.

And that's Day 1. Then, Lopen dies, which is interesting. Why didn't they just kill Con and be done with it? I can only think of a couple reasons. The most likely situation, I think, is that L told Joe ahead of time that he was scanning someone else (which is unfortunately possible, given Con's apparent trustingness), so Joe left L alive for a cycle in order to get more information and claims. (Alternatively, Con claimed to the police officer protecting him that cycle (either Sheep, or that officer was intelligent and kept quiet about the claim - maybe it was Lopen?), so they had to kill someone else and wait to kill L.)

Day 2

Post 1: (starting from one again, no particular reason but convenience) Responds to Meta that Lopen didn't claim to him. Likely a lie, obviously.

Post 2: Same as above, except in more words.

Post 3: Defends himself from Meta's question of why he wasn't attacked N1, by responding that he asked for protection and was likely to get it. Obviously true, but I get the feeling that that's not the only reason he didn't die...

Post 4: Reveals that Sheep's L and his L were one and the same. Again, not really sure what to make of this situation from Joe's perspective, if it's a lie. Also, he tells L to stop claiming, which obviously benefits the eliminators because they don't want any (more?) police in contact with L.

Post 5: Helpful nothingness.

Post 6: Reminds Aman to include him in the list of people in contact with Lopen. Trying to garner trust, or just because it's something he would do as a Villager, probably.

Post 7: Responds to me about RP. Says that Elodin didn't claim to him. Not sure of the context here (it's obviously in response to Elodin's post above, but I don't know where Elodin's post came fromand I don't want to trawl back until I find it).

Post 8: RP. Claims that L has scanned him as innocent, and is definitely L. Also asks for murderer and police claims. Police, in particular, (in addition to the leader of the protection detail) so they can find an unconvertable spokesperson (which really doesn't make that much sense from a Village perspective since the police would just be killed by Ryuk once they came forward anyway). The more information that can be passed on to Ryuk, the better, right?

Post 9: Banter.

Post 10: Clarification about Maill's use of the term "Ripple Effect".

Also, I ninja him.

Post 11: "I'll try to respond to the votes against me when I get home in about an hour."

Post 12: Responds to Rae's accusation that he's being a Mayor, when he said he hated them in MR13. Clarifies some things about the double-L situation. Says no one new claimed to him, which is awesome, if he's telling the truth. Which... is possible. I suppose.

Says he's in touch with the police officer who had protection duty the night before, and that they protected him. Could be a lie to give credence to the fact that he didn't die.

Then he reveals that he hasn't actually been scanned, but will be scanned tonight. At a guess, I'd say that Con (and possibly Sheep) was pressuring him about why he said he was confirmed when he really wasn't. I'm not really sure why Con didn't scan him N1, but obviously he didn't. Joe also says that a claimed police officer scanned as guilty. Interestingly, he doesn't reveal their name. I would have thought he would have, in order to try to lynch an innocent. Anyone have any thoughts about why he didn't? I've got no clue.

Post 13: Vote count.

Post 14: Votes Conquestor at :59.

And that's everything up to today, which is entirely trolling.

Comments on things said as I'm writing up this post:

And Joe is just trolling. The village kept Aman alive in, was it MR12? They got burnt by it - half the promised intel was false.

MR10. And... yeah, that is a good point. That was an unfortunate decision. I think it's different in this case, though, because we don't need to have the Holder die in order to win. Also, Aman was a Cook (kill role) in that game, which was kind of important. In this game, Joe doesn't have anything rolewise more than Ryuk. Unless secret roles, of course.

Well I think that we should keep Joe alive for at least this round, so I think that Luna should be lynched.

Why Luna, in particular? Because of Joe's comments about her?

Except when will Ryuk kill him? That's the real issue. Joe and Ryuk (or if he IS ryuk) can communicate. I'm sure that they are doing this to keep the holder alive and completely screw with the village . I doubt that Ryuk will be killing Joe, at least not anytime soon.

I actually think exactly the opposite. Joe's useless as an info-gatherer or supporter to Ryuk now. All he can do is troll, basically. I would actually guess that Ryuk's one of the players voting on Joe right now. This actually makes me want to vote on you, LUNA. Since I don't think Joe should die, and if he has to, preferably to the murderers rather than the lynch.

I don't trust him about the info, though.

EDIT: Spoilered for length.

Edited May 12, 2016 by Elbereth

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

Arraenae, Rules are always Mechanics, but Mechanics aren't always rules. According to Alv's definition of rules, then yes, the mechanics I know aren't rules. But they are things that are set down by Alv that affect the game.

[Haelbarde he/him]

I'm not a fan of Alv's definition...

[LUNA]

I actually think exactly the opposite. Joe's useless as an info-gatherer or supporter to Ryuk now. All he can do is troll, basically. I would actually guess that Ryuk's one of the players voting on Joe right now. This actually makes me want to vote on you, LUNA. Since I don't think Joe should die, and if he has to, preferably to the murderers rather than the lynch.

I don't trust him about the info, though.

That's a valid reason. At least better than Cloudjumpers lack of reason.

I definitely don't trust the info. Alv if we get rid Joe, will Ryuk have to take an action to pick a holder, and we would have one turn without a deathnote holder kill?

 

I'm not a fan of Alv's definition...

  I'm with you on that one haha

[Mark IV he/him]

Am I the only one to not get asked?  I guess no one wants the partially insane pyromaniac to have a death note

I'm there with you. Don't worry.

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

Joe(4): Mailliw, Elodin{1}, Joe{1}, Mark{1}, Hellscythe, Luna, Arraenae,
Luna(2): Elodin{2}, Joe{2} Cloudjumper{1}, Elbereth{1}
Hael(2): Mark{2}, Joe{3}

 

So, I'm getting lynched and the info dies with me. Good luck against the next holder. You'll need it.