QuantumSpren Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 After Jasnah's initial shardblade pointing she did not seem to surprised with him being there and his statement that a shardblade would no longer effect him. Did she learn about him through the highspren? Or something else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrightVoid Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 The spren likely have some knowledge of him, and Jasnah did know him from when he was the King's Wit in Alethkar. Hoid is also most likely a lightweaver based on his interactions with Shallan, and how he refers to some of his messages as "Truths". Jasnah's spren would have been able to see his spren. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamEternal Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 (edited) Actually, while Hoid is a Lightweaver in a sense, he has Yolish Lightweaving, which means he has something very similar to the surge of illumination, but probably not a spren or any of the other things KR of the order of the Lightweavers, or any other order, have as part of the set. Edited April 22, 2016 by DreamEternal 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuantumSpren Posted April 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 (edited) I'm pretty sure his lightweaving is completely separate from the surges and is yolish. I also don't think he has spren at least yet. Edit: whoops ninja'd Edited April 22, 2016 by QuantumSpren 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 Besides, a shardblade to the neck should generally sever your soul from your body outright. Not sure if yoy can channel stormlight in that state. Hoid generally appears to have a method to regenerate himself without being functionally conscious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrightVoid Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 Well since he uses Feruchemy to find out where in the cosmere he needs to be, I just assumed he would use F. gold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenod Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 We don't know how his feruchemy exactly works and which abilities he has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king of nowhere Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 back on topic, jasnah knew him as the king's wit and as a guy who made cryptic (in the sense of misterious, not the spren) comments. Then, when she reappears from shadesmar, hoid was there, waiting for her in the middle of nowhere, not surprised to see her. the connection is immediate: this guy knows a lot. he must have supernatural sources of information. I doubt jasnah knows anything more about him, though. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eki Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 Jasnah did name-drop the Cosmere at some point I believe, so she might know about other planets, and possibly worldhopping. I'm not sure how much she knows about the shards though - her conversation with Hoid, especially regarding their views on God, could mean lots of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasarr Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 Jasnah did name-drop the Cosmere at some point I believe, so she might know about other planets, and possibly worldhopping. So did Wayne, and I don't think he's more Cosmere-aware than Wax. Still, I think something's up with Jasnah's association with Hoid. She didn't seem terribly surprised upon seeing him waiting for her. One explanation I could see - wasn't she Gavilar's spymaster? Someone like King's Wit would be pretty useful as a co-worker, observer or asset. Or it could be somehow connected to Ghostbloods, the organization she was, IIRC, part of for a while, and which is known to have worldhoppers. I wouldn't be surprised if Hoid knows about Mraize and/or Iyatil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vissy Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 (edited) Something's obviously going on there. Jasnah clearly knows about worldhopping and has an inkling of Hoid's nature. I don't think she knows just how old he is, though. Or anything else about that stuff, really. Edited April 22, 2016 by Varangian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eki Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 Wayne name-dropped the Cosmere? I guess that's because he's listening in on lots of people all the time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasarr Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 Wayne name-dropped the Cosmere? I guess that's because he's listening in on lots of people all the time... Nah. It's in SoS, in the scene where he's in the bar and thinks of it as a temple. He says something about people "contemplating the mysteries of the cosmere", lowercase "c". I think it's just Cosmeric word for universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eki Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 Nah. It's in SoS, in the scene where he's in the bar and thinks of it as a temple. He says something about people "contemplating the mysteries of the cosmere", lowercase "c". I think it's just Cosmeric word for universe. But in BoM, when someone mentions the Cosmere, Wax sounds really confused, which implies it's not a common term...Maybe I misunderstood Wax' confusion there though. I dunno. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argel Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 Jasnah was part of the Ghostbloods?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eki Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 Jasnah was part of the Ghostbloods?? And Wayne too! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamEternal Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 But in BoM, when someone mentions the Cosmere, Wax sounds really confused, which implies it's not a common term... Maybe I misunderstood Wax' confusion there though. I dunno. I think you did. After all, was there anything Khriss said that didn't confuse him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasarr Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 Jasnah was part of the Ghostbloods?? Alright, I've checked, and indeed, she was not a Ghostblood. My bad. Sorry. She did, however, assassinate many of its members, so there was certainly some connection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AerionBFII Posted April 24, 2016 Report Share Posted April 24, 2016 I just think she didn't like him and didn't know anything about him during his tenure as the Kings Wit, she might have had suspicions about him being 'more' than normal or a little unusual. There is a chance she discovered a little something about him in her time in Shadesmar but i doubt the GreatSpren wasted her time about when Hoid was just a wee boy. I think it was just her usual emotionless shield/mask that she controlled her surprise so well when she Elsecalled and he was there. I think anything she new or suspected about him was vague or unfounded at best until she met when he was waiting for her. Then she had confirmation. I still think she wont grasp how truly unique he is even after they part ways after their info exchange in book 3. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eki Posted April 24, 2016 Report Share Posted April 24, 2016 I sensed a sort of mutual respect between them in that scene, to be honest. Grudgingly from Jasnah's side, but still I think you did. After all, was there anything Khriss said that didn't confuse him? True enough! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argel Posted April 24, 2016 Report Share Posted April 24, 2016 This new Wit had been with them for some months, and there was something… different about him. He seemed to know things that he shouldn’t, important things. Useful things. Sanderson, Brandon (2010-08-31). The Way of Kings (The Stormlight Archive, Book 1) (p. 198). Tom Doherty Associates. Kindle Edition. Jasnah is no fool, and she has met Wit before, so I find it hard to believe she did not suspect something. And that's assuming Hoid didn't speak to her more directly about some of this stuff (recall he almost said something to Shallan when her met her as that messenger). We also do not know how much she knows about the Ghostbloods or what they know about Hoid (assuming they care), which could present another avenue for her to learn more about him. And if he played a similar role in Roshar's history, she could have stumbled across a reference to him. Less likely, but I wouldn't want to completely rule it out. Considering all she just went through (escaping with her life), if she had no inkling, I think we would have seen some hint of surprise. So if nothing else, I think the evidence we do have is that she at least had her suspicions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king of nowhere Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 Considering all she just went through (escaping with her life), if she had no inkling, I think we would have seen some hint of surprise. So if nothing else, I think the evidence we do have is that she at least had her suspicions. Maybe I'm not remembering the scene well, but I was under the impression that jasnah was very surprised. it's just that she's not the kind of person who react to surprise by becoming dumbfounded. in her surprise, she make the immediate assesment: this guy has powers i don't understand, this guy can be dangerous, hold him at swordpoint. In fact, I'd suggest summoning her blade like that is a big surprise reaction for jasnah, who usually reacts to stuff by being calm and collected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argel Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 It's really hard to figure out from that scene. I just re-read and my first thought is she knows very little. But they talk about some very important things (desolation, voidbringers, KRs), and I'm not sure how casual she would be with those. It makes me think she has some idea that he's not the typical Wit just like I quoted above. But she was certainly surprised to some degree. We'll probably have to wait for SA3 to learn anything more. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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