[SH spoilers] Adonalsium

[Sam Script he/him]

Well I've got some information about "Mistborn Secret History" but not able to read it, can anyone provide directly resources, especially about Khriss' quotes?

Also there are some paragraphs about Khriss, mentioning that 16 Shard vessels killed and tore Adonalsium together?! It's too shocking and anybody able to have aother explanations? Thx

[Ari he/him]

I'm not sure there's really any extra explanation to be had at this stage, we don't really know enough about what's going on there yet.

 

But yeah, we know that Khriss certainly believes the original Vessels orchestrated the Shattering. It could be she's wrong, although she's pretty well-informed on things Cosmere in general.

[Sam Script he/him]

Hope she's wrong (for the first time) since this speculation is nonsense for our cognition so far. I remember that Adonai was shattered by one being, not legion. And That existence is still around.

[Argent he/him]

Hope she's wrong (for the first time) since this speculation is nonsense for our cognition so far. I remember that Adonai was shattered by one being, not legion. And That existence is still around.

 

Brandon's words on the topic were never as clear. He's referred to it as an "opposing force" (which could easily mean a group of people opposing Adonalsium) and "a weapon" (which could be the technique they used). 

 

@Sam Script, it is suggested in the text that the original Vessels were responsible for the Shattering, but I don't remember it said outright. I could probably find the exact quotes tomorrow, unless someone beats me to it.

[Uilos he/him]

Brandon's words on the topic were never as clear. He's referred to it as an "opposing force" (which could easily mean a group of people opposing Adonalsium) and "a weapon" (which could be the technique they used). 

 

@Sam Script, it is suggested in the text that the original Vessels were responsible for the Shattering, but I don't remember it said outright. I could probably find the exact quotes tomorrow, unless someone beats me to it.

I don't have the exact quote with me, but Khriss is explicitly stating the Shardbearers killed Adonalsium for various different reasons.

[Sam Script he/him]

I don't have the exact quote with me, but Khriss is explicitly stating the Shardbearers killed Adonalsium for various different reasons.

Thanks anyway, btw the owner of Shards of Adonalsium was called "Shardholder" before, and being corrected as "Vessel" recently.

Shardbearer, on the other hand, is a person wielding SHARDBLADE(or maybe shardplates), not SHARD.

[Ari he/him]

Here we are, from Chapter 2 of Part Three ("Spirit") of Secret History:

 

 

"Anyway, there was a God. Adonalsium. I don't know if it was a force or a being, though I suspect the latter. Sixteen people, together, killed Adonalsium, ripping it apart and dividing its essence between them, becoming the first who Ascended."

 

between the word Ascended and the fact she's referring to sixteen people, it's very clear and is said outright. Khriss definitely believes the original Vessels perpetrated the Shattering. It's not unprecedented for her to be wrong, but I think even that would tell us interesting things.

Edited February 22, 2016 by Ari

[Sam Script he/him]

Yup, it's pretty clear of Khriss' state on reasons of shattering.

But we still need further information involving Hoid and Frost etc., for their relationship with 1st Vessels, it's even complicated than before.

Do you guys think Adonalsium was a identity(god), or force(of creation)?

I prefer the former, for now.

[PallonianFire he/him]

 

 

Do you guys think Adonalsium was a identity(god), or force(of creation)?

 

I think it was an identity. It had a personality, at least, IMO.

 

 

 

But we still need further information involving Hoid and Frost etc., for their relationship with 1st Vessels, it's even complicated than before.

 

I asked Brandon if anyone other than Hoid and the 16 were present for the Shattering, and he RAFO'd. It would probably make sense if Frost were there, too, but who knows.

 

My main interest in it is if Adonalsium Shattered into 16 by nature, or by design. Were there only 16 in the group, or were there more and some missed out? (Obviously Hoid didn't really want to become a Shard. Not really his style.)

[Sam Script he/him]

@Argent I still believe that Adonalsium was shattered by not a group but ONE entity, for the Coppermind showing that Adonai was opposed by Something and IT created kinda weapon.

(That whether Shards are weapon is worth discussing in other topics)

Besides Brandon might just wanna mislead us by Khriss' theory. I don't really think he would reveal any truth before Shattering in such an obvious way.

Also, Khriss hasn't arrived Yolen yet, her information might have a great chance to get wrong.

[Voidus]

If the entire topic is SH spoilers please keep it in the Secret History subforum.

[Argent he/him]

@Argent I still believe that Adonalsium was shattered by not a group but ONE entity, for the Coppermind showing that Adonai was opposed by Something and IT created kinda weapon.

(That whether Shards are weapon is worth discussing in other topics)

 

A similar question actually came up during last night's signing. Brandon talked about how the original question, the one that started the whole movement about a force and a weapon against Adonalsium, was essentially "Was there a force opposing Adonalsium?" And so he spoke how the phrasing gave him a lot of wiggle room - a single person opposing Adonalsium could be considered "a force." A group of people could be considered a force. He acknowledged that he understood the question was probably shooting for more of a "is their a Devil-like figure opposing Adonalsium's God-like figure," but he had enough room to avoid answering that. Mostly because he doesn't want to deal with how close Adonalsium may or may not be to the Judeo-Christian God.

[ParadoxicalZen he/him]

Given Adonalsium's coincedental naming convention similarity to God metals, I'm in the it was originally Sentient/Sapient object party, perhaps a metaphysical representation of the Cosmere itself

[imriel452]

The Weapon that killed Him no longer exists in it's original form.

[Sam Script he/him]

The Weapon that killed Him no longer exists in it's original form.

Citation needed plz >..<

[Sam Script he/him]

It suddenly occurred to me that Hoid and Frost referred to Adonalsium as God of Cosmere.

A convincing proof that it is an entity more than a force. Currently.

[imriel452]

http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/53219-confirmation-the-weapon-that-killed-adonalsium-no-longer-exists/

 

Adonalsium is dead. It is confirmed that it was also a He.

[Stormgate he/him]

The weapon no longer exists in its original form? Further evidence for it being aluminum

[imriel452]

As for whether Adonalsium was a Force or an Entity, it has been confirmed that Adonalsium was a 'He'

[Argent he/him]

As for whether Adonalsium was a Force or an Entity, it has been confirmed that Adonalsium was a 'He'

 

I thought it was a confirmed by implication? Somebody asking a question, referring to Adonalsium as "he", and Brandon just not correcting them?

[imriel452]

He confirmed it with me in my WoB for BoM - he referred to Adonalsium as He

[Sam Script he/him]

The weapon no longer exists in its original form? Further evidence for it being aluminum

Sorry, not catching up. How is it related to Aluminum???

Well I was asking @Stormgate... I found that he REALLY LIKES to get Aluminum involved.

Edited February 26, 2016 by Sam Script

[The Invested Beard]

Aluminum is the new Hoid.

[Farnsworth]

That's what I heard too about the "he". 

 

I think that Adonalsium is a being, because that way, his soul in the Spiritual Realm could be the God Beyond. 

[killersquirrel59 he/him]

Within the Cosmere rules, being a force does not necessarily preclude Adonalsium ALSO being a being. Don't forget that in the world of Realmatics, even stick (all praise the holy stick) clearly has an identity. These are not mutually exclusive.