Kelsier's Boxing Glove Posted January 28, 2016 Report Share Posted January 28, 2016 "The pack he carried was different; he’d taken that from an abandoned store. No master had ever carried it. It considered its purpose to sit on a shelf and be admired. So far it had still made for a suitable companion." I might be wrong about this, but: *** That aside, I see some strange parallels with Kelsier's ghost equipment and Soulcasting and some other random things. Almost like a few tangled theory but too vague and tangled. I'll list stuff I see: -Items have souls and memories and desires and can be persuaded to do things in Cognitive Realm. -Individual items manifest in Cognitive as balls. Glass in Roshar, mist in Scadrial. -If a soulcaster gives them Investiture over there, this can affect Physical Realm. -Kelsier's shadow can't affect Physical but can still persuade items to do things in Cognitive. Presumably if he had Investiture to use, he could maybe do something on Physical too but no guarantees. -Kelsier thinks distance from the item's body is a limiting factor but he might be wrong. -Items persuaded to hang out with Kelsier stick around until something happens to their physical selves, which "changes their Identity" and item's soul goes back to its "body". Body over mind. -Returneds' and kandras' (and even Royal Locks) control over their Physical bodies look like the complete opposite of item souls' behavior. Mind over body. -Seems like either human(ish) minds or Investiture or both is needed to overcome the body over mind, which appears to be normal state of things. -This last one looks kind of like a hypothesis but needs fancier wording. -Elantrians used souls of rocks to build a structure, so item souls are extremely manipulatable. They also brought souls of their own rocks from Sel all the way to Scadrial. -But their building glows like Elantris, so they're Investituring around. Don't know if Investiture was mandatory for that scale or just makes it easier. To borrow a page from someone's book, there's a secret in here somewhere. Probably multiple secrets. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryshadium Posted January 28, 2016 Report Share Posted January 28, 2016 I would like to see Kelsier meet Stick 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argent Posted January 28, 2016 Report Share Posted January 28, 2016 -But their building glows like Elantris, so they're Investituring around. Don't know if Investiture was mandatory for that scale or just makes it easier. Kelsier noticed some cords disappearing into the distance, connecting the building with... something. I figured the Ire are drawing Investiture from Sel's Cognitive Realm - which, if our theories are correct, should be chock full of it - and feeding at least a part of it to the stones' cognitive aspects, making sure they down snap back to their "bodies" maybe. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParadoxicalZen Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 The way the Selish Elantrians were acting is giving me bad juju vibes. What with the foreboding in BoM, the Lost metal only has me expecting ominous things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mestiv Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 I would like to see Kelsier meet Stick I bet he would be able to cheat Stick into believing he's a horse or something like that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MistLord Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 Kelsier noticed some cords disappearing into the distance, connecting the building with... something. I figured the Ire are drawing Investiture from Sel's Cognitive Realm - which, if our theories are correct, should be chock full of it - and feeding at least a part of it to the stones' cognitive aspects, making sure they down snap back to their "bodies" maybe. Wow, I can't believe I missed that. My bad habit of skimming when I get excited must be playing up. Cords always seem to represent Connection from what we've seen of the Cognitive Realm, don't they. Hmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Full Metal Rithmatist Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 Kelsier noticed some cords disappearing into the distance, connecting the building with... something. I figured the Ire are drawing Investiture from Sel's Cognitive Realm - which, if our theories are correct, should be chock full of it - and feeding at least a part of it to the stones' cognitive aspects, making sure they down snap back to their "bodies" maybe. Some kind of cognitive power cables plugged into the Dor as it were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orsium Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 Nothing tells stick what it is. Stick is a stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Invested Beard Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 Nothing tells stick what it is. Stick is a stick. Stick: Cognitive Titan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KidWayne Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 Stick: Cognitive Titan. ...it is what it is... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormgate Posted February 26, 2016 Report Share Posted February 26, 2016 If Sanderson ever wants to reduce his fanbase by 10-90%, he brings Stick back and has a random Soulcaster with a fabrial turn Stick into a piece of "useless" metal. But if Shallan does it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted February 26, 2016 Report Share Posted February 26, 2016 Shallan will soulcast a whole tree at some point. But then she's stuck needing to turn stick into fire again and fails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pechvarry Posted February 26, 2016 Report Share Posted February 26, 2016 I'm not convinced the building is made from the soul of Elantrian bricks. I think it more likely the building is made of bricks. The Elantrians themselves are in the cognitive realm. Jasnah looks to be able to travel to Shadesmar in the flesh. Why not just bring bricks with you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argent Posted February 26, 2016 Report Share Posted February 26, 2016 More difficult. Cognitive aspects are, apparently tiny - a glass bead, a wisp of mist. A lot easier to carry a bunch of them than actual bricks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pagerunner Posted February 27, 2016 Report Share Posted February 27, 2016 I'm not convinced the building is made from the soul of Elantrian bricks. I think it more likely the building is made of bricks. The Elantrians themselves are in the cognitive realm. Jasnah looks to be able to travel to Shadesmar in the flesh. Why not just bring bricks with you? From when Kelsier first made it to the Fortress: He climbed back out of the ground and inched up to the base of the fortress wall. He pressed his hand against the glowing stone and was given the impression of a rocky wall far from here, in another place. An unfamiliar land with striking green plants. He gasped,pulling his hand away. These weren't stones, but the spirits of stones - like his spirit of a fire. They had been brought here and constructed into a building. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ari Posted February 28, 2016 Report Share Posted February 28, 2016 Yeah there were interesting things going on with Alonoe's Ire. (Won't assume for sure that ALL Ire are as... problematic as she was, or that others didn't potentially learn from her mistake) Would love to hear more about the exiled Elantrians in general, especially if there's more than one group of them, and if there's interesting conflict between them and the New Elantrians. (I get the feeling Raoden for one wouldn't stand for Alonoe's actions) Argent's and Pagerunner's explanations are exactly what I thought was going on to and jive really well with the text. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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