Anniversary Game 2: Return of the Koloss

[Kasimir he/him]

To answer Elbereth, my point was 'yet'. I that looking for reasons in the Eliminators' kills early on is a bit pointless. Not later on when we have more evidence and can map things out better, but it is at the start, as we have a lot of experienced players with a lot of connections now. Tell me, who would you lynch on this singular fact, ignoring everything else that has happened? You didn't actually attempt to draw any conclusions from it either, you just reiterated the same question as me. So ultimately, using this reasoning, you're as guilty as me. Hell, everyone is except Mashadar Mistborn, since he's the only one who raised it.

 

Wait. Wait.

Chief, how's that square with you telling me that I'd be Public Enemy #1 if you went down?

[Haelbarde he/him]

Wyrm explains his actions well - and is an incredibly valuable role, so I will refrain from voting on him this cycle - until I'm a little more certain.

That said, Wyrm has demonstrated in the past an ability to make himself integral to, and 'lead' the village as an eliminator - see QF9.

I'm going to vote on Hael. You're posts are perfectly positioned to be helpful as a tool, but not contributing to the actual lynch discussion, and so not implicating yourself.

I agree that they are not directly useful to the lynch discussion (well other than my initial prod at Lopen. But I wasn't aware of his circumstances at the time). They have been things I've been interested in and have some value for others, so I shared them. I'm still thinking some things over, and haven't decided what I think about Kas and Wyrm.

[Wyrmhero he/him]

Wait. Wait.

Chief, how's that square with you telling me that I'd be Public Enemy #1 if you went down?

 

Same way that if you died by Eliminator, I'd probably be public enemy #1, despite the fact that I wouldn't be to blame. I advised against relying on Seonid's identity because I don't believe that connections can be drawn this early on. However, a lot of people do believe that they can be drawn, and ultimately the majority rules. I can advise against it, but I can't stop people if they want to follow that path this early on (or if I'm dead).

 

 

Well, that is one reason. Another way to see it, assuming you to be on the Spiked, side is that-

1) You could easily give this very alibi.

2) You could be garnering protection from village Coinshots in late game.

3) You're looking at whom to eliminate later.

4) This also essentially could have and can protect you from lynching as we, the villagers, don't want to lose an important resource.

I know, I know. It looks like I am finding, some would say creating, reasons to make you look guilty, but I just want to make sure that an Eliminator does not slip right through our grasp.

 

For what it's worth, any discussion's fine. I may be in the center of it (and the focus of a bit of a tunnel), but frankly my death is a lot better than no death, and with so much generated by it, it'll definitely give people stuff to go on.

 

1) I could give this alibi, or I could give this reason. This is not a point I can dispute, by its very nature.

2) If a Coinshot wants to take me out, all they really have to do is say so and get my protection lifted - and moved to them. A Coinshot's safety is much more important than a Tineye's, after all. Alternatively, if they don't want to be public with their Role, then they can try to get me lynched, just like other players. Unless someone is scanned and revealed to be Village (and even then taken with a pinch of salt, see LG15), people should always consider the circumstances and question conclusions that have been already been drawn.

3) I never said that anyone had to come forward to me. Anonymous protection works exactly the same as known protection. Hell, even the potential of being protected works as well as that.

4) People should not be letting my Role (or anyone's Role) scare them off the lynch. If we were always worried about killing Roles, then we'd never lynch anyone. If people want certainty then that's what we have Seekers for (assuming no Eliminator Smokers interfere, but that seems unlikely).

Edited December 28, 2015 by Wyrmhero

[Mark IV he/him]

Fine Wyrm, you have me pacified (for now!). 

 

(...Hmmm, whom do I point my finger at now...)

Edited December 28, 2015 by Mark IV

[Haelbarde he/him]

I think I'm going to throw a vote on Adavantos. You've been quite a consistent contributer. Your one post this cycle seemed to imply you were planning on making another post, but you haven't yet. Life happens, but an update would be nice.

[Kasimir he/him]

Meta, what happens if two Rioters hit the same person but Riot that person to different targets? And what happens if a Soother/Rioter hit the same person?

I've received a claim from someone that they've Smoked themselves and Mashadar Mistborn last night. I'd like to test this claim out, but it hinges on how a multiple Rioter situation is dealt with.

[Amanuensis he/him]

Sorry for my absence. Was out the last two nights with my housemates discussing social justice. There were... refreshments.

 

For what it's worth I was considerably suspicious of Kas and Wyrm before all these shenanigans developed. More so the former rather than the latter, but at this current point in time I'm not a fan of either as a lynch candidate. Kas because of his curse and Wyrm because PMs are a vital tool for gathering information and coordinating as a village behind the backs of the eliminators. I guess that after them, Araris and Orlok stand out the most to me, but until I sit down and take a crack at true analysis to determine why (if it is anything other than gut) I can't really provide an explanation. Also in response to Kas' post just now I am not a fan of Smokers smoking this early in the game, and really think that you guys need to stop with that. I had reasoned that keeping copperclouds off was the best course of action myself and was very happy to hear that someone else had the same idea and expressed it. Seems the village Smokers didn't agree with Luckat, which I'm not fond of, but oh well.

Edited December 28, 2015 by Adavantos

[STINK he/him]

There are too many guts!

[Haelbarde he/him]

Alright, thank you Ada. 

 

@Kas: Sounds like a good idea. Speaking of testing smokers, if we're testing this other claim, it would be nice to test your own claim as well. Though I'm not really sure how to properly test all this. Can a rioter change a No-Vote to a vote?

 

And Luckat's ideas seem good to me, for the moment. No complaints here.

 

Bort. You said you'd be away for Christmas. You back yet? You've been on the Shard fairly recently, but no posts yet.

[Kasimir he/him]

Alright, thank you Ada. 

 

@Kas: Sounds like a good idea. Speaking of testing smokers, if we're testing this other claim, it would be nice to test your own claim as well. Though I'm not really sure how to properly test all this. Can a rioter change a No-Vote to a vote?

 

And Luckat's ideas seem good to me, for the moment. No complaints here.

 

Bort. You said you'd be away for Christmas. You back yet? You've been on the Shard fairly recently, but no posts yet.

For me, it would be simple. I've already placed a vote, so all we need to do is to change my vote to a no-vote. In fact, if you want to test both, then depending on what Meta's response to my question is (i.e. how Emotional Allomancers can interfere with each other), an easy way is to ask our Soothers to Soothe my vote, and to ask our Rioters to make Mashadar Mistborn vote for himself.

(Of course, if Emotional Allomancers do interfere with each other, then I think it becomes rather tricky to manage, as it then wouldn't be obvious if the vote changes were nullified by Smoking, or if they were nullified by the lack of coordination from fellow Emotional Allomancers.)

 

Edit: Alternatively, if it matters that much to you, I could always Smoke you (j/k)

Edited December 28, 2015 by Kasimir

[STINK he/him]

Vote tally please?

[Amanuensis he/him]

As requested. Currently analyzing the past two days. Will post once my thoughts are composed.

 

Chronological Order With Strikes

 

(1) Lopen: Hael (1), Venture (1),

(0) Venture: Mail (1),

(1) Panda: Stink (1),

(1) Kas: Hero (1),

(2) Wyrm: Hell (1), Elby (1), Mark (1),

(1) Hell: Araris (1), 

(1) Phatt: Mail (2), 

(1) Hael: Orlok (1), 

(0) Araris: Kas (1), 

(1) Sart: Kas (1),

(0) Ada: Hael (2),

(1) Bort: Hael (3), 

 

Descending Order Without Strikes

 

(2) Wyrm: Hell (1), Elby (1)

(1) Lopen: Venture (1),

(1) Panda: Stink (1),

(1) Kas: Hero (1),

(1) Hell: Araris (1), 

(1) Phatt: Mail (2), 

(1) Hael: Orlok (1), 

(1) Sart: Kas (1),

(1) Bort: Hael (3), 

 

 

Please let me know if there are any errors.

Edited December 28, 2015 by Adavantos

[Herowannabe he/him]

re: The Aggravating Amazing Wyrm: 

 

2 points:

 

1. In all probability he IS a Tineye. But he might not be. He might simply be in collusion with someone else who is a Tineye and they're having a blast sowing all sorts of confusion and misdirection. It would be right up Wyrm's Alley. But for now lets assume that Wyrm really is a Tineye.

 

2. IMO there is a decent chance that he IS spiked, as well. He's explanations for his actions don't hold much water in a game like this. Too many possibilities for misdirection and ulterior motives.

 

But whether Wyrm is or isn't spiked, we ought to leave him alive (for now). Why? Because Tineye is the ONE and ONLY role that an Eliminator can have that actually helps the Village instead of hurting it. Assume that Wyrm is an Eliminator Tineye. As long as he is alive we still get PMs, and if the Eliminators want to do anything about it they have to waste a kill on one of their own members. And it's not like the Eliminators get extra kills or benefits by having one more member alive. The only thing they get is one extra vote during the lynch, but our soothers/rioters can deal with that.

 

So I say we leave Wyrm alive for now, and when we get to the endgame then we can lynch him, if the Eliminators or Coinshots haven't already done the job for us. 

[Hellscythe he/him]

I agree with you Hero, but I just want some real reasoning for why he revealed. He said "to create more day 1 disucssion because there hasn't been enough" when there's been consistently around 9 pages every day 1 I've played since Joe's amazing backfiring plan in MR9. It doesn't sound reasonable enough to me. 

 

That being said I agree with what was said about Haelbarde. His posts are, like I said earlier, Contributing without contributing.

 

I'd like to point out that Adavantos did the same thing last game (He's still alive I think....?) where he would just summarize posts the first couple days so he could be active without being active. He might've posted a couple times here and there (I don't really remember), but overall those giant walls of summaryness were his posts the first few days. He ended up claiming Diagrammist Cook(Spiked Coinshot) a few days later. Whether that's true or not is still to be seen after the game.

[Elkanah he/him]

Kane starred at his plants. Yesterday, all his troubles seemed do far away. Life was such an easy game to play. Today, however, had grown from the ruckus if the night.

Throughout the village, the shouted arguments had faded to deceitful and distrusted whispers. This allowed Kane the opportunity get away from the mess.

He'd hoped the carriage had just been an anomaly, but with the discovery of Senn's body things could only get worse.

He held a card in his hand as he thought. He'd looked into deciphering whatever those cards meant. Unfortunately it all looked like a foreign language to him. He hoped someone wiser than he would be able to translate it. For now, he had work to do.

*I'm not sure I'm going along with the Wyrm train. I think we're mostly just desperate for information at this point.

I think Kas is the most suspicious, but it would suck to lynch him so early again.

Has anyone heard from Panda recently?*

Edit: for sneaky autocorrect

Edited December 28, 2015 by Elkanah

[RippleGylf she/her]

I agree with Hero, if Wyrm is the only tineye, even if he is an eliminator, we don't want to lose PMs this early in the game. That being said, I have never had much luck with gut feelings (aside from LG15), so I think I'll abstain from voting for the time being.

[Amanuensis he/him]

Well to be fair, Hellscythe, I did post summaries like these in LG15b where I was also good. Has nothing to do with my alignment. That being said, I keep starting them again because a lot of players (albeit not all) find them useful. Anyway, like I had attempted to do with MR10 I will be posting links to these posts in my signature so that anyone can quickly navigate the game in search of posts. Also if the Spiked decide to kill me anytime soon, so long as I get the permission from Meta, I will continue to post one every cycle just minus any personal comments so that way it's just a pure table of contents with summaries.

 

AG2 Night 1 Post Summaries & Quick Links

Key:  Black = Player Summary, Blue = GM Summary, Purple = Personal Comments

 

1. Haelbarde: Asks GM for player list. Edits one into his post anyway.

2. Metacognition: Responds that he will continuously update the original threads and quick link to it in every write up.

3. Haelbarde: Says he will likely do quick links himself due to a convenient turn over time.

4. Kasimir: Responds to Hael’s offer of doing quick links referencing it as potential armor.

5. Haelbarde: Ninja emoticon.

6. Herowannabe: Jokingly asks for peace among factions. Provides advice for the two roles he had in previous iterations. Coinshit: If innocent, refrain from killing anybody until you have some evidence in order to prevent an unnecessary loss of life. Alternatively use your kills to pick off inactive players to discourage eliminators from hiding in the shadows. If evil jokes about you not killing anyone. Tineye: Make good use of your anonymous messages so that if necessary you can claim. @Everybody: Advocates PM safety and to keep roles to yourselves, even if Vanilla, in order to prevent the Spiked from getting too much info.

7. Wyrmhero: Proposes lynch discussion even though it’s a Night Turn to encourage activity and that as opposed to Hero’s advice the Coinshots should begin killing sooner rather than later, but at least wait until the next cycle due to the holidays. Followed up by RP.

8. Kasimir: Complains about having already received two role claims. Votes for Wyrm with little explanation, seemingly because he proposed the lynch discussion to begin with. Red flag number one.

9. IrulelikeSTINK: Asks what is with all the blue text. Says he will only send players who post PMs.

10. Kasimir: Answers Stink’s question about blue text.

11. Lightsworn Panda: Also answers Stink’s question about blue text. Gets nostalgic.

12. Mark IV: RP. Nothing game related to salvage.

13. Metacognition: Clarifies use of black text versus use of blue text. Encourages more RP and questions.

14. Wyrmhero: Fixes colors used in previous posts to match Meta’s decrees. Teases Kas for voting for him under the name Chief rather than his real name. Openly wonders why he has not received any role claims yet and asks if he is untrustworthy.

15. RippleGylf: RP. Nothing game related to salvage.

16. Kasimir: RP. Unsure if pure fiction or game relevant.

17. IrulelikeSTINK: Requests elevator music.

18. OrlokTsubodai: Apologizes for not RPing due to a self perceived lack of skill. Goes along with Wyrm’s proposition of a lynch discussion and pokes Adavantos for being quiet.

19. IrulelikeStink: Suggests Adavantos may be busy celebrating the holidays.

20. Adavantos: Provides reason for inactivity and claims he will post something of worth when he is “settled in.”

21. Seonid: Notes silence. References the last iteration of the game where everyone was talking about a gambit made by Eol by this stage. Suggests Coinshits make sure that their kills are useful to the village while Lurchers self protect and Smokers avoid using their abilities for a few cycles to help ensure Seekers get more positive readings.

22. IrulelikeSTINK: Asks what there’s to discuss.

23. Seonid: Answers nothing if people continue to not talk.

24. IrulelikeStink: Adds in that Coinshots should refrain from killing anyone the first night.

25. Kasimir: Suggests that we use night votes as a way to direct the Coinshots in order to help the game progress twice as fast, if they will it. Also argues that Smokers should not refrain from using their abilities as Seonid suggested in case the eliminators have a Seeker to prevent them from finding important village roles. Red flag number 2 for me.

26. Seonid: Acknowledges Kas’ points but still believes innocent Smokers holding off on using their copperclouds is best.

27. IrulelikeSTINK: Agrees with Seonid’s proposition about Smokers refraining from smoking for the first few cycles as it would give us more information to work with.

28. Mashadar Mistborn: RP. Nothing game related to salvage.

29. Kasimir: Argues that creating large gaps in votes to prevent emotional allomancy from interfering has drawbacks to it compared to smoking. Reponds to Stink citing recent levels of activity and that while not necessarily fair, losing Regulars and Smokers rather than Lurchers or Seekers is more important to the village. Pokes at Stink’s idea that it bears resemblance to a follow the cop strategy.

30. IrulelikeSTINK: Explains that by the time follow the cop would become a thing we would have enough information to find suspicions on our own, and that while he doesn’t advocate a follow the cop strategy it sometimes is inevitable and he wouldn’t fight against it. Also thinks we need to stop focusing on inactives due to the limited amount of insight it provides for everyone.

31. Kasimir: Points out he suggested making the Coinshot a secondary lynch not using them to clean up inactives. Once again states that he’d rather not lose a critical role than a good analyzer. Asks if Stink is deliberately or unintentionally misinterpreting his arguments.

32. IrulelikeSTINK: Clarifies that his comment regarding inactives was not meant to be directed at him but anyone who supports the Contribution Crusade.

33. Seonid: Acknowledges points presented about inactives. Continues to advocate creating large vote gaps as it allows for analysis. Brings up the fact that the village has emotional allomancers as well to counteract the Spiked. Expects the Smokers to make a decision based on all the facts presented and moves on.

34. Mailliw: Informs everyone he is around but busy (in black text).

35. Araris Valerian: RP. Nothing game related to salvage (except that the context of the post can be interpreted that he only did it to show activity before being confronted for it).

36. Weiry Writer: Blue text explanation about being out of state until monday so that people should not expect him to be around until then. RP. Nothing game related to salvage.

37. Elkanah: RP. Nothing game related to salvage.

38. Haelbarde: Asks Mashadar if his character can make an aluminum plated pen.

39. IrulelikeSTINK:  Suggests aluminum ink.

40. RippleGylf: Points out flaw with aluminum ink.

41. Hellscythe: Asks if there is only one Tin Eye and if deaths will be differentiated in the write up.

42. Mashadar Mistborn: Asks Hael if he has a few thousand boxings for his request.

43. Mailliw: Expresses that it’s a waste of time to try and predict Meta’s role distribution and that the kills are indeed written differently.

44. luckat: Rather lengthy RP post with advise for all roles. Worth more than one read.

45. Haelbarde: RP. Nothing game related to salvage.

46. Mashadar Mistborn: RP. Likes luckat’s advice.

 

Also, a vote. Herowannabe. Your first post to me just rubs off as incredibly contrived. Right now that's the best lead I've got minus Wyrm whose a Tineye and Kasimir who has pretty much died early every game he's been in.

Edited December 29, 2015 by Adavantos

[Mailliw73 he/him]

First off, Wyrm. I loved the reveal: it was gutsy, awesome, hilarious, and trolled so hard. Perfect! It was also much along the lines of what I tried to do in MR 10 by claiming Thaidakar. I wanted to garner protection and generate discussion. That was the most important part. I also agree with Hero that we shouldn't kill a Tineye yet, even if it be a Spiked one.

Second, Kas. I think Kas is good, but there's not much reason behind it. We've just talked a lot, and I think he's good. But I could very well be wrong on him.

Third, Orlok. Orlok seems too stiff and just seems off to me. Sorry I can't put that into better suspicions, but that's likely where my final vote this cycle will go.

[Wyrmhero he/him]

I agree with Hero, if Wyrm is the only tineye, even if he is an eliminator, we don't want to lose PMs this early in the game. That being said, I have never had much luck with gut feelings (aside from LG15), so I think I'll abstain from voting for the time being.

 

Flagging up that I am unlikely to be the only Tineye. We got two Tineye messages, so either's it's (at least) two Tineyes, or a Tineye and a Mistborn, and the former's far more probable. 

 

I agree with you Hero, but I just want some real reasoning for why he revealed. He said "to create more day 1 disucssion because there hasn't been enough" when there's been consistently around 9 pages every day 1 I've played since Joe's amazing backfiring plan in MR9. It doesn't sound reasonable enough to me.

 

The last few games I was a player in, the majority of Day 1 was taken up by discussing the merits of a Day 1 lynch versus no Day 1 lynch, or another plan. Besides, you make it sound like there is ever enough Day 1 discussion . I think we can all agree that my reveal has generated a lot of debate later in the cycle, so I would say that it's done it's job. 

 

It occurs to me that I haven't yet voted. I was going to earlier, but decided that I wasn't too sure where to go with it at the time, and so wanted to wait a little. Looking back at Adavantos' posts, I'm rather curious. He states that he was considerably suspicious of myself (and Kas) before any of this happened. I'm not quite sure why, considering he never actually mentioned the reasons for my vote. Looking at his summary of the game so far, he does not at any point mention this suspicion of me. I would very much like to know what it was he apparently saw that no-one else did.

[Elbereth she/her]

El heard the a knock on the door. She carefully washed and dried her hands-- no need to get little bits of herb all over everything-- and went to answer the door.

To her surprise, standing outside was the same man who had been left in the alleyway the day before. He was clutching his back in obvious pain.

El shook her head. "Back gave out, I see. And the lump on your head from yesterday is not any smaller." Ignoring his wide-eyed stare, she said, "Come on in, then. Let's get you fixed up."

He attempted a smile. "After all, I can't fight koloss with a back like this, can I?"

"Koloss?" El said in slight confusion, as she went searching behind the counter for the right medicines.

"Haven't you heard? Koloss are approaching the town. I overheard it being discussed in here yesterday."

El raised an eyebrow. Looks like I'm going to have to have a talk with Kassien.

"Don't worry about that for now," she said aloud. "Let's focus on healing you first."

---

To answer Elbereth, my point was 'yet'. I that looking for reasons in the Eliminators' kills early on is a bit pointless. Not later on when we have more evidence and can map things out better, but it is at the start, as we have a lot of experienced players with a lot of connections now. Tell me, who would you lynch on this singular fact, ignoring everything else that has happened? You didn't actually attempt to draw any conclusions from it either, you just reiterated the same question as me. So ultimately, using this reasoning, you're as guilty as me. Hell, everyone is except Mashadar Mistborn, since he's the only one who raised it.

Okay. I can see your point, Wyrm. I'm not saying we should lynch someone immediately based on his death. But I do think it bears discussion. Thus, my thoughts:

Seonid's death probably wasn't just a fearkill. There are better targets for that (you, for example). So there was a reason he died.

One possibility is that he falsely claimed to an eliminator to see what would happen. If that were the case, I'd expect him to have claimed to at least one other person as well. Did he claim to anyone?

I'm more inclined to think that it was because of the group PM idea which Kas brought up. If that's the reason he died, then either he brought it up with someone else as well (who is Spiked and therefore has not sharing with the thread), or Kas is an eliminator and brought it up to draw suspicion off of him. Rather risky, I think, given that if he'd kept quiet about it no one would have known. If Kas is Spiked, though, I'd suspect Mashadar Mistborn as well. He seems to be trying to find anyone else who knew about Seonid's plan.

Regarding Wyrm: I retracted for two reasons. First, because he adequately explained himself, and second because I have a suggestion. I'm not sure how good it is, though.

A Seeker should scan Wyrm tonight. If he's Smoked, it will be by a Traitor (and if anyone else Smokes him, I will poison you), probably protecting his teammate. Thus we lynch Wyrm the next day, or whenever the Seeker finds a confirmed loyal proxy.

There are a couple obvious problems with this. The lesser one is that an Eliminator could pretend to be (or actually be) a Seeker. This can be helped by the knowledge that multiple Seekers will likely scan Wyrm, so the Spiked can't lie without consequences.

The other problem is that a Spiked Smoker might Smoke Loyal!Wyrm. I don't really know a way around this, and if it happens, I guess we'll just have to settle with not knowing, and try again another night. Either we tie up the Spiked Smoker or we know eventually what alignment Wyrm is. Either option works for me.

Edited December 28, 2015 by Elbereth

[Amanuensis he/him]

It occurs to me that I haven't yet voted. I was going to earlier, but decided that I wasn't too sure where to go with it at the time, and so wanted to wait a little. Looking back at Adavantos' posts, I'm rather curious. He states that he was considerably suspicious of myself (and Kas) before any of this happened. I'm not quite sure why, considering he never actually mentioned the reasons for my vote. Looking at his summary of the game so far, he does not at any point mention this suspicion of me. I would very much like to know what it was he apparently saw that no-one else did.

 

Alright, I can explain what my initial thoughts on the matter were. It's mostly just your first post, and what I personally think is poor advice that favors the Spiked over us.

 

 

Wyrmhero - Posted 26 December 2015 - 12:22 PM

 

 

Is there any reason we shouldn't be starting things off with a lynch discussion today? May be a Night Turn, but that's no reason to skip discussion, even on the first day. There may not be anything to really say right now, but that's how first Turns go anyway. The more we talk, the more chance the Eliminators let something slip, so why not start now?

 

Paragraph one. It's good advice that I frequently bring up, most notably in your recent Long Game. Having additional votes like this, even if the people who can make them come in true decide to follow through or not, gives us a significant amount of information to work with. If not for the Kandra scan votes I wouldn't have figured out that Araris was a Traitor as early as I did. While you could certainly be a villager suggesting this because no one else had yet and that it honestly is a good way to boost activity and information in these games, I could also see a Spiked person doing the same thing to lessen suspicion of themselves. I mean, generally we agree that eliminators want to limit information that the village receives, not expand it, so in suggesting it there's a chance you plant the idea that you're totally not evil into the heads of a few players who might come to your defense when it matters. Personally I'm more inclined to believe that a player who does things like this is the latter. This totally isn't me judging you for making a me move because I didn't get to suggest it first

 

 

 

With regards to what Hreo has just said, I kind of disagree. The Coinshots should really start taking out inactives as soon as possible to reduce hiding places and make sure our lynches are actually of use rather than mopping up non-contributors. However. Having said that, I am aware that today is a rather difficult day for people to get on. As such, I'd say it's not a bad idea to leave it a Cycle and start taking them out next Night, when we have more idea of who is actually inactive-inactive and not just Boxing-Day-inactive.

 

Paragraph two. This is the bad advice I was referring to. I really don't think that using our kills like these benefits the village. As the Diagrammist Cook in the ongoing MR10 I purposely did just this as it was a relatively guilt free way for me to reduce the numbers of the village considerably while keeping more and more information away from the innocents. Honestly I believe it's best to avoid killing as villagers because the longer we keep inactives alive the longer the game goes on and the more time we have to figure things out.

 

 

That's all, really. Just two things that made me want to keep a closer eye on you. None of this is damning or anything, just things that stuck out to me at the time.

[Kasimir he/him]

Sart.
Kas.

I hate dying early. It blows. But if Wyrm's currently leading the lynch, then I'd rather take it for him than us losing a Tineye this early. (See: Hreo's and Maili's points about the Spiked Tineye.) Plus, I'm technically just tying things up. And with the amount of attention Wyrm and myself has gotten (so, why isn't Hreo getting more attention? Now that HS has brought up the Seeker claim, why hasn't Hreo responded? And what exactly are his reasons for voting for me? We've never heard them, despite my hypothesis that it had to do with my Coppercloud. Is he even a Seeker to begin with? And is he Team Village? We have answers to none of these. And yet no one bothered to ask at all, choosing to focus on the easy targets.)--anyway, with the amount of attention Wyrm and myself have gotten, I figure a lynch with the most amount of information will come from killing me or killing Wyrm. And really, if it comes down to it: in a Smoker versus Tineye tossup, Smoker wins the lynch each time.

So don't worry about how harsh it is for me to get killed several cycles in a row. Go on. I'm going to start by throwing my vote on myself first. And when you see I'm a Villager, I want you to at least look at some of the questions I've asked and treat them seriously. I'll rework the info dump in a bit and make the drop shortly after.

Kas's Questions

1. Mark

This is somewhat gut, but I feel he's playing the n00b card a bit too strongly, and that he was also pressing the Wyrm lynch exceedingly hard early on. Almost as though he was just looking for a reason to keep the lynch train going. Could be an overenthusiastic Villager, but I'm suspicious anyway.

2. Hellscythe

Meta accused me of this in LG12 when I fakeclaimed Lover and I think the same accusation applies here. Why suggest the possibility of Hreo's being a Seeker to the thread and then drop it? What that has done is to effectively split Lurchers between a Tineye claimant and a Seeker claimant.

3. Elk, Ada, etc.

A natural place to start would be to look at people who vaguely profess to have early suspicions of myself but have so far declined to substantiate them. Ada's summaries also contain a number of misrepresentations of my points. While that naturally makes me wary, I'd like to remind everyone to take this as a reason why Ada's summaries should not be the only reference: slant and bias do exist and can never be eradicated. It's important to get your own take/read on the actual posts than to go for a read of someone else's read.

4. Luckat

Strangely enough, I'm actually slightly wary of how Luckat almost seemed to distance herself from the fallout of my Smoking myself by backpedalling a little; could be to avoid repercussions if a lynch did happen and I was found innocent.

 

5. Hreo

 

I'm not a fan of 'reasons', despite having used the same trick myself, and his refusal to be more forthcoming is not endearing him to me. In our PM, he basically re-cited reasons rather than any issue with Seeking, so it's all the more in doubt if he even is a Seeker, much less a village Seeker, or what he's really playing at.

 

So long and thanks for all the fish, folks. See you on the other side. (Will be back with the last dump before I head on out.)

 

[...And I've probably been ninjaed by several other people at this point...]

[RippleGylf she/her]

 

Flagging up that I am unlikely to be the only Tineye. We got two Tineye messages, so either's it's (at least) two Tineyes, or a Tineye and a Mistborn, and the former's far more probable. 

 

Ah. I must have misunderstood it, I was under the impression that it was all the same tineye's message, being on the same slip of paper and all.

[Amanuensis he/him]

@Kas: Sorry if it seems that I'm misrepresenting your points. For pretty much all of these I just tried to paraphrase with different words out of habit against plagiarism. Whole point of me making sure there are working links is so that people can go see the posts for themselves instead of relying on my summary alone. The summaries are more so my interpretation of what's being said and are meant to be a reference so you know which link goes where and how I feel about the contents. Anyway, the reason why I didn't bother substantiating it is for the same reason I didn't substantiate my suspicious of Wyrm until he confronted me about it. If I go ahead and tell the players that I'm truly suspicious of why I'm suspicious of them or even that they are on my radar, than it will encourage tham to be more careful. As it stands I have no serious evidence, let alone a large enough quantity of it, to condemn anyone. Also when it comes to you in particular the reason why you're pinging red for me has to do with private information that I would be willing to discuss with you in PM but would rather keep it from the Spiked. And also, I really don't think SE Suicide is the right answer for you in this situation. Panda also had two votes along with Wyrm and there's enough single votes scattered about that you could easily pursue an entirely different target. If you're not evil, what's the point in getting yourself killed when you could swing the vote on someone that you don't know is absolutely good. You know?

 

Also, you know I voted for Hero, right? Granted I didn't explain my reasoning very well (If my arguments are confusing to y'all it's likely because I'm bloody tired from being awake for over 28 hours now and I'm pretty sure I got a concussion the other day so I'm rather far from clear headed) You express suspicions of Hero and ask all these questions of him, but don't vote for him along with me to add some pressure? He has viewed the thread since I voted for him so the fact that he has not yet responded to it is equally suspicious to him ignoring Hellscythe earlier. So yeah. I just really don't get the whole self voting thing.

 

Second edit. Elby retracted from Wyrm anyway so he's actually only got the one vote, now it's just Panda and you tied for the lead. So yeah. Self-vote is still irrelevant.

 

Third edit. Up to date vote tallies. Any mistakes?

 

Chronological Order With Strikes

 

(1) Lopen: Hael (1), Venture (1),

(0) Venture: Mail (1),

(2) Panda: Stink (1), Elkanah (1),

(2) Kas: Hero (1), Kas (2)

(1) Wyrm: Hell (1), Elby (1), Mark (1),

(1) Hell: Araris (1), 

(0) Phatt: Mail (2), 

(1) Hael: Orlok (1), 

(0) Araris: Kas (1), 

(1) Sart: Kas (1),

(1) Ada: Hael (2), Wyrm (1)

(1) Bort: Hael (3), 

(1) Hero: Ada (1),

(1) Orlok: Mail (3),

 

Descending Order Without Strikes

 

(2) Panda: Stink (1), Elkanah (1),

(2) Kas: Hero (1), Kas (2),

(1) Wyrm: Hell (1)

(1) Lopen: Venture (1),

(1) Hell: Araris (1), 

(1) Hael: Orlok (1), 

(1) Bort: Hael (3), 

(1) Hero: Ada (1),

(1) Orlok: Mail (1), 

Edited December 28, 2015 by Adavantos

[Metacognition he/him]

Meta, what happens if two Rioters hit the same person but Riot that person to different targets? And what happens if a Soother/Rioter hit the same person?

I've received a claim from someone that they've Smoked themselves and Mashadar Mistborn last night. I'd like to test this claim out, but it hinges on how a multiple Rioter situation is dealt with.

 

Sorry it's taken me so long to get back to you, Kas. You posted this just after I went to bed! 

If someone is effected by multiple emotional allomancy attacks, no matter which kind they are, their original action will stand and they will be unaffected. In RP terms, the target is having their emotions changed every other second and they are driven to a chaotic blubbering mess and they can't change what they've already done because they're huddled up in the corner trying to get control of themselves.