WOR Secret Anagram - Hoid Gibberish

[Natans]

I was reading this topic here(tks Gibletish) http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/4716-sort-of-theories/#entry76774 and I noticed a little secret  in one of Hoid conversation.

 

In the book Hoid say to Dalinar this:

 

“Nonsense. Balderdash. Figgldygrak. Isn't it odd that gibberish words are often the sounds of other words, cut up and dismembered, then stitched into something like them—yet wholly unlike them at the same time?"

 

If you take the word Balderdash you can form an anagram like this:

 

Balderdash = B a l d e r d a s h 

 

S h a r d b l a d e

 

I kind got curious and knowing that my humble self will never crack this little secret  I decided to call for the help of my fellows Shardies to see if anybody was any idea about what Figgldygrak anagram could be.

 

Of course that anyone that discovery the aswer will receive all the brag rights and my eternal respect =)

 

So, anybody have any idea how solve this little mystery ?  

 

 

 

[Shardlet]

Well, the F sound, Y sound, L sound, and one of the G sounds could be glyph (glyf).  That would leave a K sound, G sound, A sound, I sound, and a D sound.  If it was Figglmygrak then it could me Magic Glyph or Glyph Magic, but it is a D sound not an M sound, so no.

 

So, K...G...A...I...D.

[Shardbearer]

Maybe it's two words:

 

frail dygggk

[Cortez]

Well it doesn't come up as a real word on solve it, which probably means its a Rosharish word which should help narrow it down. Assuming it is an anagram of course.

[Natans]

Well, the F sound, Y sound, L sound, and one of the G sounds could be glyph (glyf).  That would leave a K sound, G sound, A sound, I sound, and a D sound.  If it was Figglmygrak then it could me Magic Glyph or Glyph Magic, but it is a D sound not an M sound, so no.

 

So, K...G...A...I...D.

 

Friend Shardlet, I was thinking if maybe we could use part of the two words like "Shard something" or "blade something" to form 2 to 4 words, after all Hoid said that "words are often the sounds of other words, cut up and dismembered, then stitched into something like them"

 

I another thing Shardblade are a single word or composite, I can't remember ?

[Peng the Just]

nonsense balderdash Figgldygrak is an anagram for seon gangs dry elf king shardblade. because that makes sense

[Shardlet]

nonsense balderdash Figgldygrak is an anagram for seon gangs dry elf king shardblade. because that makes sense

 

LOL  .

 

I another thing Shardblade are a single word or composite, I can't remember ?

 

Pretty sure that shardblade is a single word.  That doesn't mean they couldn't be separated.  And while at first glance, splitting it up would seem unlikely since balderdash is an anagram of shardblade in itself, it could have been intended that way as a clue for Dalinar.  Though Dalinar would not stand a chance of picking up on it unless he mentioned the conversation to Navani or Renarin who would then have made te connection.  Dalinar (and Adolin) is just to straightforward in his thinking.

[Maximus]

challenge accepted

 

 

edit: Since Wit didn't actually spell out "figgldygrak" for Dalinar it is unlikely that that was his intended audience.

Edited December 4, 2013 by Maximus

[Shardbearer]

Do we know of any cosmere words that use y as a vowel?

 

Edit: Rysn and Ym

 

Another edit: But the other letters aren't right.

Edited December 4, 2013 by Shardbearer

[Mailliw73]

I just spent like 10 minutes on it and I came up with nothing. I can get small words but that's it. Gray, lag, fig. For a second, I had Kal and I thought it might have Kaladin but then I looked back at the available letters and was sad.

[Maximus]

I just ran every possible permutation of two or fewer words up against the english dictionary I had on hand, which is the 200,000+ words included with most linux distributions.

 

It took about 20 minutes and produced the following: draggily kgf

 

Since kgf is not a word in any english dialect as far as I am aware, we are going to need some non-english words. I wonder if it would be legal or ethical to try to extract the plain-text version of WoK from my nook version.

 

edit: The kindle version says it is DRM-free by publisher's request. Thanks Tor!

Edited December 4, 2013 by Maximus

[Argent]

I imagine for something like that - yes.

EDIT: Maximus, can you PasteBin a list of the form {set of English words} {remaining letters}? For all valid sets? An even better option would be to, instead of just printing the leftover letters, to print all possible permutations of those letters. So for the word "noxy", we can see something like

[no] xy

[no] yx

[on] xy

[on] yx

[ox] ny

[ox] yn

My hope is that we can skim through this stupidly long list and look for Cosmere names in the second column; name that wouldn't show up in the dictionary, but ones we'd recognize instantly.

EDIT 2: A more elegant solution would be to create a dictionary out of all of the words in TWoK (or even all Cosmere works?) and use that instead of the English dictionary. Or use it alongside the English one (in case the anagram ends up being composed of an English weird that doesn't appear in Brandon's works, and a name that appears only there).

Edited December 4, 2013 by Argent

[bartbug]

or maybe balderdash is an awesome coincedence? I mean, balderdash is a word for randomness. The other one, figglymgrak, is just too random. Or not.

[Shardlet]

I imagine for something like that - yes.

EDIT: Maximus, can you PasteBin a list of the form {set of English words} {remaining letters}? For all valid sets? An even better option would be to, instead of just printing the leftover letters, to print all possible permutations of those letters. So for the word "noxy", we can see something like

[no] xy

[no] yx

[on] xy

[on] yx

[ox] ny

[ox] yn

My hope is that we can skim through this stupidly long list and look for Cosmere names in the second column; name that wouldn't show up in the dictionary, but ones we'd recognize instantly.

EDIT 2: A more elegant solution would be to create a dictionary out of all of the words in TWoK (or even all Cosmere works?) and use that instead of the English dictionary. Or use it alongside the English one (in case the anagram ends up being composed of an English weird that doesn't appear in Brandon's works, and a name that appears only there).

 

The rub with such a tactic is that you are limiting your results to alphabetic anagrams and omitting phonetic anagrams.

[Mailliw73]

I thought about the phonetics too, and I still think it's a viable option, but in the word Shardblade, you don't hear the e at the end. But in balderdash, you have to have an e.

[Shardlet]

You do, but when you think about it, balderdash would be pronounced at least nearly identically to baldrdash.  Think about it, make an 'r' sound.  Sounds an awful lot like 'er'.

[Swimmingly]

I wonder if Brandon did that intentionally, if he's screwing with us, if it was totally unintentional, or if in fact there deep clues to the Cosmere hidden in Hoids gibeltish

[Argent]

He has said that there are several Easter eggs in The Way of Kings... Navani's notebook, the mark on the maps, the worldhoppers, maybe this too.

[hoser]

At http://www.wordsmith.org/anagram/ I ran gibberish and gibletish. 

 

It found 40 matches for "gibberish".

None seemed very good.  My favorites were: "bribe sigh" and "herb is big"

 

It found 99 matches for "gibletish".

It was slightly more interesting, but not that good: favorites are "Glib Heist" and "Glib Hes It"

[marianmi]

Looks like something close to Yggdrasil....

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yggdrasil "is an immense tree that is central in Norse cosmology, in connection to which the nine worlds exist."

Edited December 4, 2013 by marianmi

[Swimmingly]

At http://www.wordsmith.org/anagram/ I ran gibberish and gibletish. 

 

It found 40 matches for "gibberish".

None seemed very good.  My favorites were: "bribe sigh" and "herb is big"

 

It found 99 matches for "gibletish".

It was slightly more interesting, but not that good: favorites are "Glib Heist" and "Glib Hes It"

Glib Heist... That sounds like an adept description of Hoid's role during the events of TES

 

Also, gibletish turned up "blighties" for me - and, while it may be a stretch, without the "b" that spells "lighties" which can also be read as "lighteyes"

 

And my personal favourite anagram of "gibletish" (please excuse profanity):

 

 ~ Le Big S**t ~

Edited December 4, 2013 by Swimmingly

[Maximus]

EDIT 2: A more elegant solution would be to create a dictionary out of all of the words in TWoK (or even all Cosmere works?) and use that instead of the English dictionary. Or use it alongside the English one (in case the anagram ends up being composed of an English weird that doesn't appear in Brandon's works, and a name that appears only there).

This is what I had planned to do.

[Pechvarry]

Looks Svordish.

I know Shardlet already mentioned phonetics, but to reiterate: try a c in place of the k.

[Nepene]

I think the root to success most likely to succeed is asking Brandon.

 

The longer, harder route would be for someone to write or find a program that can take all the words from an ebook version of way of kings or coppermind and compare them to Figgldygrak. Perhaps start by finding all words with three gs in them and then compare.

[Natans]

I think the root to success most likely to succeed is asking Brandon.

 

The longer, harder route would be for someone to write or find a program that can take all the words from an ebook version of way of kings or coppermind and compare them to Figgldygrak. Perhaps start by finding all words with three gs in them and then compare.

 

 Someone know the holy ritual to summon Ookla the Mokovial  (Mr. Peter) "the Keeper of Brandon Knowledge" to give us some tips =)

 

In times like this I'm really impressed with Mr. Sanderson, WOR is already 3 years old and nobody found this little secret until now, I have to give the man credit for be too awesome  =)

Edited December 5, 2013 by Ookla the Puro