Mid-Range Game 8: Highborn Intrigue

[Clanky he/him]

So Raven, you are saying that since STINK was assassinated that makes those who thought he was an eliminator potential conspirators? We are 100%* sure that the conspirators don't have an assassin especially with the assassin killing one of them last night cycle. Some people were wrong about STINK including our very own assassin. 

 

Looking back at day 1 I found this from our recently deceased wilson:

 

Raven's was because she recommended the lynching inactives train when people were discussing actives, and there was some good discussion going on about those actives. Throwing out the possibility of lynching inactives is a good way to be seen as participating and offering good ideas without really offering anything of use that will help the village. Now, I don't really want to hit on that too hard, since I've been known to get behind the lynch on inactives as well. On Day 1. That's mostly only when it's the very last few hours of the cycle and no one who's been discussed has struck me as suspicious enough to be lynched. At that point, I actually prefer to tie the vote and not have anyone lynched, but I understand that there are plenty of people who disagree and feel that information is necessary--information pertaining directly to the role and alignment of the lynchee. I get the reasons for that, even if I personally disagree with it. So yeah. I'm okay lynching inactives when the time calls for it. But only when the time calls for it.

 

Ripple first stuck out to me when she stuck up for both Raven and STINK. If Raven is an eliminator, I'd be willing to bet that Ripple is as well. But that STINK is not. The second bit that stuck out to me with Ripple was the quick jump from Clanky to Badger, but that's already been discussed.

(I bolded that portion)

 

Wilson was suspicious of Raven and put forward how the three of Ripple(deceased), stink(deceased) and Raven fit together. Now with two of the three dead it seems as though wilson may have been correct about this. 

 

I doubt I will change my vote unless some new info comes up.

 

 

 

*99.99999% sure. There is no limit to meta gaming in Sanderson Elimination

[Herowannabe he/him]

Well I can't say I'm surprised the assassin went after Stink. Or that the eliminators went after Wilson. That doesn't mean i have to like it though.   

 

Anyway, I never got a chance to get back to the computer before the cycle ended. Such is life.  Working on research now, hopefully have something to post soon. 

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

Wow. Worst case scenario. What's wrong with you assassin? (I'm just kidding assassin, so far you're better than all of us put together.  )

 

So I haven't figured out the night vote yet, but I guess that means it was a tie?

 

Hmmmm. I'm gonna have to look over everything again before I vote.

 

Edit: Ok, I looked at the rules and it says if it is a tie no vote will be placed.

Edited August 25, 2015 by TheMightyLopen

[Herowannabe he/him]

Wow. Worst case scenario. What's wrong with you assassin? (I'm just kidding assassin, so far you're better than all of us put together. )

Hey, don't talk smack on the assassin. When I was the coinshot (same power as the assassin) in the Anniversary Game, I managed to kill off 4 (IIRC) villagers in a row, beginning with our esteemed GM. And when I finally guessed right and picked an eliminator, they blocked my attack and killed me instead.

So as far as I'm concerned, our assassin is doing fantastic.

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Research done. I was tallying up posts to see who needed a proverbial knock on the door at 4 am from the Contribution KGB Crusade. Most everyone has been active enough, with the exception of Emerald101, whose last post was on Friday, saying that he would be on the next morning with some analysis, then hasn't been online since. Well Emerald, are you still around? Do you have any analysis for us?

Edited August 26, 2015 by Herowannabe

[Seonid he/him]

Hey, don't talk smack on the assassin. When I was the coinshot (same power as the assassin) in the Anniversary Game, I managed to kill off 4 (IIRC) villagers in a row, beginning with our esteemed GM. And when I finally guessed right and picked an eliminator, they blocked my attack and killed me instead.

 

So as far as I'm concerned, our assassin is doing fantastic.

 

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Research done. I was tallying up posts to see who needed a proverbial knock on the door at 4 am from the Contribution KGB Crusade. Most everyone has been active enough, with the exception of Emerald101, whose last post was on Friday, saying that he would be on the next morning with some analysis, then hasn't been online since. Well Emerald, are you still around? Do you have any analysis for us?

 

Oh, those were good times! We kept you alive as long as we could get you to do our dirty work for us. But in that game, we had a well-placed spy right in the middle of all of the action, directing what the Village did. I hope that the Eliminators don't have that in this game. Then again, there isn't a set group that has risen to prominence in giving direction, like Wilson, Mail, and Claincy did in the AG.

 

If our Ardent has been active, I hope he/she is PMing the people that they have scanned and putting together a trust group. The Eliminators can conspire in their own doc without worry. We need private discussions with that level of trust too.

 

As far as my own vote goes, I'm not sure where to place it yet. Wilson was the driving force behind Mailliw's lynch, and she turned out to be innocent. My suspicions of Stink turned out to be wrong. I'll be keeping tabs on the discussion as much as I can though.

 

EDIT: Pushed Enter halfway through.

Edited August 25, 2015 by Seonid

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

@Hero, I was completely joking. It's too bad STINK was innocent, but if they could get it right half the time I would be ecstatic. That part of the post I was just mimicking my first post about the assassin after Night 2 cause I thought it'd be funny. 

[Amanuensis he/him]

@Clanky: I think Raven was implying that because of how frequent and strong my accusations against STINK were, it's possible I influenced the assassin's perspective and thus indirectly caused his death. I just finished rereading through Day 1 and I think it's relevant to note that Raven was the second person to vote against Ripple, following your example. It's possible she did it on purpose to lower any suspicions people might have of her in the future, but for some reason I highly doubt it. She did post exactly ten minutes prior to its closing, though, when phattemer had already taken the lead (5 to 3) so it's possible that if STINK and Lopen didn't do their last minute votes she may have switched to save ripple's life.

[Adamir he/him]

Well... now, I am feeling the sliiiiightest bit guilty about telling the assassin to kill Stink back in Day II. But, with Stink proven innocent, I now have heavy suspicions on his chief accuser from Day 1. Araris Valerian, anything to say for yourself? I didn't even suspect Stink - I just told the assassin to murder him to stimulate discussion.

 

If Araris was right, yay. If he was wrong, it is more likely he was wrong because he already knew who the Eliminators were than blind luck, in my opinion, mostly because I've rarely seen a game where new players are thought to be acting suspiciously - they have no routine yet, and are still learning the game, so of course they are going to be acting suspiciously. And so, I await your defense.

[Amanuensis he/him]

I agree with Adamir's assessment. Though Araris did eventually change their vote on Day 1, it was onto The Honey Badger right after Mailli and before Ripple. This is the same vote that Wilson was suspicious of having another Eliminator due to Ripple's quick change; I think she described it as Ripple trying to distance herself from an ally.

 

EDIT for grammar

Edited August 25, 2015 by Alvom Halbin

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

Alvron, as you are one of the most experienced players, it seems like you would be a little more active than you've been. You haven't voted for anyone yet, but it is only the beginning of Day 3 and you said you were working Day 2 so pretty excusable. I would very much like to hear your thoughts and analysis about the game so far.

 

I'll be back on in about 10 or 11 hours as I'm going to sleep now. 

 

Edit: vote change

Edited August 26, 2015 by TheMightyLopen

[Shallan she/her]

Obviously this isn't good. I can't check the player list right now(on mobile) but could someone look at how many people are left and how long we have? Something we should consider is who Wilson was talking to who would have known her role. While Wilson is a dangerous player, she'd be much more likely to be killed if they knew she was a Guardsperson. Kipper, did you know who she was talking to!

[Adamir he/him]

IrelukeStink has finally snapped and gone insane after I ordered his assassination, and defected to the vile forces of the dark lord Vashikaran Babaji.

 

http://s18.postimg.org/6onqpmzi1/rsz_screenshot_1.png

 

And now for some actual discussion on the game itself - twenty three players left, assuming for five conspirators as the worst case scenario. We cannot afford to make more mistakes at this point.

Edited August 25, 2015 by Adamir

[Shallan she/her]

Oh, that was you?

[Adamir he/him]

Oh, that was you?

Back in Cycle 2, I told the assassin in the main thread to murder Stink so we could find out whether Araris was innocent or guilty. While it didn't give us a definitive answer, I am leaning towards guilty.

 

EDIT: Also, Stink, sorry for ordering your assassination, but if Araris is guilty, it will all have been worth it.

Edited August 25, 2015 by Adamir

[RavenRadient7 she/her]

Clanky, Alvom more or less summed up what I was trying to get across. I'm suspicious of those who went after STINK not because the assassin killed him, since I think we've more or less cleared the assassin as villager considering his kill against Ripple, but because we now know that STINK was a villager, and someone who went after him might have been an eliminator jumping on a player who the others were suspecting in order to get another villager lynched/killed.

 

It's not a strong lead, I know, and I think we'd be better off looking at Wilson's accusers and targets, considering she was killed by the eliminators. However, I hadn't had the chance to look through the past thread yet, and I called out someone who I knew had gone after STINK.

 

Alvom, in this case I meant that you and STINK were going back and forth on each other, pointing out flaws in each others logic and such, not that you ever voted for him. I got the sense from that scene that not both of you were eliminators, but that doesn't automatically mean one of you was an eliminator and one wasn't. It was just the only thing I could remember that stood out from the previous day cycles. Thank you for replying.

 

Beyond that. I'm suspicious of Emerald, Alvron, and Bort, as none of them have posted very much. I'm less suspicious of Bort, considering that he was rather active in the last game he was an eliminator, so I am inclined to think that he is just ill, and unable to focus on playing. The other two haven't really given great explanations of why they are out of the game.

 

Araris' name has also come up in the discussion, and I know Wilson was also suspicious of him. But, at this point, I think I'd rather put my vote on Alvron, as I would like to know why you haven't been very active in this game.

 

Edit: Color

 

Edit2: Vote Change

Edited August 25, 2015 by RavenRadient7

[Amanuensis he/him]

I am officially voting against Araris Valerian due to my affirmed suspicion of Lopen and Raven. To remind everyone, Lopen was the fifth / last person to vote against Phattemer and was one of the players (with Ripple) that consistently brought up that the Eliminators might have a Worldsinger (which I am confident is false). To mirror wilson's Day 1 assessment (that can be found above, thanks Clanky) the moment some good discussion begins to develop, attention is drawn over those bordering on inactives again, which at this point in time is a very poor lead. I highly doubt Alvron is an Eliminator hiding in the shadows, for he has made no effort to mislead anyone (from what I recall) during his infrequent posts. I propose that if Araris is indeed an Eliminator, Lopen is too, and that Raven may very well be as well.

[Araris Valerian he/him]

Wow, I'm setting a new record for early game suspicion that is not due to a stupid mistake haha! Alvom, you didn't really say why you are voting for me. (And I'm not sure I really have much to defend, either) However, as far as STINK is concerned, I voted for him early on, but reached to conclusion that he just had a different playstyle from the rest of us. I actually think that he would have been a decent kill for the eliminator team to have made, since he was a large part of the reason that we had so much discussion.

 

I'll hopefully add to this and/or place a vote in about 4 hours, but I have to go tutor somebody right now.

[Guest]

I thought I placed a post hours ago, but I must have logged off before it went through.

STINK was the Courier that I knew to be eavesdropping on me. Unfortunately, the assassin disregarded my advice and killed him, even though I told her that Raven would be a better choice. The thing is that STINK was just too blatantly in-your-face about what he was for him to be an Eliminator. Oh well.

I caution against over-analyzing Wilson's death too much, as I feel that it was most likely a fearkill.

Raven has been acting suspicious to me for some time, and I believe that she is most likely an Eliminator. So much so that I think I'm getting tunnel vision on her, and I am definitely starting to see some confirmation bias influencing me. Disregarding that, I currently see her as much more suspicious than anyone else.

If an Ardent Scanned me, as was suggested, I would appreciate it if they would get in touch with me...my communications have been somewhat disrupted with Wilson's death.

[RavenRadient7 she/her]

At this point, it looks like a three-way tie. I'd still like to hear from Alvron, though I'll end up moving my vote if the focus stays off of him for much longer. Kipper and Alvom, I understand why you're suspicious of me, but I'm going after inactives to test a personal theory of mine, though I'm not sure how well it's going to work.

 

So far this game, we've had very few players stay inactive, and each time someone drops out of activity, someone else jumps right onto them. Alvom, I know you pointed me out for jumping onto Alvron, but Herowannabe has also been focusing on inactives over all else, if just in the form of "I'm playing this game with a focus on lynching inactives to keep everyone in the game." I suspect that all of the eliminators in this game are still active, and are trying to keep our focus on the inactives in order to take the focus off of them, as they are all actively playing.

 

Of course, this doesn't help me look any less innocent, considering I've been targeting inactives as well, but I was hoping to get one more inactive confirmed as a villager before proposing this tactic, and the fact that, if I'm right, Hero is possibly an eliminator who's phrasing his plan in terms of "lets change gears towards lynching inactives" rather than making it obvious that this is a plan to distract us from the real problem.

 

I don't know if I'm right or not. I could be reading the situation entirely wrong, but I am suspicious of Hero's turn to focusing on inactives, and I've been hoping to build up more proof before revealing my thoughts - a plan that only works if I wasn't a possible target on the block at the moment. If I die this round, not revealing my thoughts is more dangerous than revealing them.

 

Of course, now that I've said all this, the eliminators, if this is truly their plan, have a chance to change tactics, making my vote on Alvron no longer viable in my strategy. I'm going to hold off placing my vote, which might be incredible stupid considering I'm a target this round, but I really don't suspect Araris like some other people seem to do, and I'd rather leave it as a tie at the moment.

 

Edit: Clarification

Edited August 25, 2015 by RavenRadient7

[Adamir he/him]

My vote on Araris could lead to a tie vote, and we don't have time to keep debating while more villagers get murdered. Ravenradiant, I am securing semi-early seats on the lynch train before it gets too crowded.

Edited August 25, 2015 by Adamir

[Macen he/him]

So STINK wasn't an eliminator, just someone who disliked first day lynches. And Wilson was killed, which I've been half-expecting to happen sometime early on in this game. At this point, I'd look at those who were targeting Wilson and STINK, and see what we can find from there. Also, looking at those who Wilson and STINK were targeting might find us some leads, though it's probably not going to be as conclusive as looking at those who were targeting them, considering neither of them would have known that their targets were eliminators or not.

 

I'll probably find more leads once I have a chance to reread through the threads, but off the top of my head I do know that Alvom was targeting STINK pretty heavily during the last day cycle. Anything to say about that?

 

Edit: I'm going to be getting off soon, so I probably won't have time to go through the threads until later on this cycle and find any leads.

Raven,

I could be wrong here, but wasn't STINK FOR the first day lynch? I have missed a bit of the chatter so far, but I seem to recall STINK wanting a first day lynch.

*EDIT* Added my vote in.

Edited August 25, 2015 by Macen

[RavenRadient7 she/her]

Macen, you're definitely misremembering. STINK was against day one lynches, when most of us were for them: that's part of the reason I suspected him as much as I did. I think he ended up voting for someone by the end of it, but he didn't like the idea, and was quite vocal about that fact.

 

Edit: Fixing spelling mistakes.

Edited August 25, 2015 by RavenRadient7

[Sart he/him]

Alright, let's do a vote count:

Raven (4): Clanky, Kipper, Adamir, Macen

Emerald (1): Herowannabe

Araris (1): Adamir, Alvron

Alvron (1): Lopen, Raven

 

Hmm... a lynch train is starting to form, but it's too early to see if anyone is going to start jumping ship. I'm going to hold off voting for a little bit, until I have some more time to do some analysis.

[RavenRadient7 she/her]

Also, can we get more discussion here, from the people still around? I understand that it's looking like I'm the death for this round, but that doesn't mean we all need to hide for the rest of the cycle. We can at least be looking at next round targets, if nothing else. Sure, Wilson was probably a fear ill, but that doesn't mean she wasn't onto something.

 

Edit: Maybe that's a bit blunt, but we're only at two pages, and the other times we've made it to past this by this hour. The more we talk, the more we can figure out, or work out based on what people say. Once I reread through the threads, I'll post my thoughts about everything. It'll just take me a bit.

Edited August 25, 2015 by RavenRadient7

[Adamir he/him]

EDIT: Thinking about it, this list helps Eliminators more than it helps villagers.

Edited August 25, 2015 by Adamir