Long Game 12: Shadows of Elantris

[little wilson she/her]

Correction: Maili died and was found to be a Regular Citizen, with Nae. Spencer was a Debtor, with Seon Opa.

 

.......Fine. My point about a Cultist and the Gyorn having a Seon still stands though. It's still something we should discuss (albeit without naming names of Seon holders).

[Kasimir he/him]

.......Fine. My point about a Cultist and the Gyorn having a Seon still stands though. It's still something we should discuss (albeit without naming names of Seon holders).

O Cruel One, I'm certainly not suggesting we should not discuss the issue. I'm cautioning against the assumption that the Gyorn necessarily has a Seon (after all, they do have the PM ability with their Odiv), and more importantly, I'm cautioning against the assumption only regulars by and large have Seons, because it's definitely been disproven to us by the lynch.

[little wilson she/her]

O Cruel One, I'm certainly not suggesting we should not discuss the issue. I'm cautioning against the assumption that the Gyorn necessarily has a Seon (after all, they do have the PM ability with their Odiv), and more importantly, I'm cautioning against the assumption only regulars by and large have Seons, because it's definitely been disproven to us by the lynch.

 

I'd be surprised if the Gyorn didn't have a Seon since they're pretty much running completely blind until they choose their Odiv. I'd imagine that they'd need some way to make contacts to figure out who would be best to work with as their Odiv. Yes, it could be possible for the Gyorn to not have a Seon, but that makes their already hard job all that much more difficult.

[little wilson she/her]

Also, the gyorn is most likely to be an experienced player (though we shouldn't lynch every experienced player because of that), for the same reasons they probably have a Seon. Their job is hard. Why make it harder by not giving them experience?

 

That's not necessarily true. Hero and Tulir probably distributed the roles entirely randomly. While it would be slightly unfortunate for an inexperienced player to be the Gyorn, I have every confidence in the players on here that if they were given that role, they would rise to the challenge of it.

[Metacognition he/him]

 

 

MenE tried to stay out of the way of all the guards running back and forth, trying to secure the exits and get statements from everyone. He continued to scrub along the walls, constantly whispering, "Merciful Domi" again and again, as if it was a mantra or chant. 

 

 

 

Today, MenE's duty was windows. He'd always loved cleaning the windows. He liked how the rooms brightened up, even just slightly, after he was done. It was like he was shining a light into the darkness. 

 

I've been hinting to the reason I've been so steadfast on Winter all game. Domi has tasked me with finding and killing all the Cultists. I've known that Winter is a Cultist since Night 1. I've been holding off from straight up revealing myself and my reasoning specifically for things like today. I've been waiting to see if Winter and her friends would be so kind as to come out reveal themselves.

 

Well, now we have Winter's analysis of everyone from last night and also the speed in which this vote built itself up to go off of. If I had just revealed myself right away and gotten Winter lynched on Day 2, we wouldn't have nearly as much to go off on. Sure, we would've killed a Cultists, but we'd be back to square one when it comes to finding the rest of them. 

 

Also, for your information, my other two scans were Kas and Twei. Both are clean, though I won't reveal their roles.

 

So, as you can see, Wilson, I had reason to be skeptical of someone else proclaiming to be a Priest. Thus why I doubted (and still doubt. You're definitely going to need to be scanned, IMO. If it turns out that you're clear, then we'll have two Priests we can trust) Phatt's first claims. 

 

I am so confident in this that I'll tie my life to Winter's. If she dies and isn't a Cultist, then I will give up my Pendent and let you guys lynch me without complaint the next day. Now, I'm sure that this didn't answer all the questions by guys might have, so fire away. 

[Metacognition he/him]

I'm well aware of that, Winter. That's not why I said that. I wanted to let people know that I would be giving up the pendent so that it would still be in play from the rest of your friends. 

[little wilson she/her]

Go ahead and scan me. You're going to find a Citizen Queen. If Phatt's not another priest, I'll eat my hat. Meta. Winter. Congrats, Winter. That was some nice manipulation you pulled in that PM. Never trusting you again. Pulling the helpless and lost card to appeal to my kind side only works once.

 

PSA: Beware of anyone holding Seon Ien from here on out. That is Winter's Seon and she's probably got a Cultist as an heir. She could change that now to a villager, but if she does, the villager should just request a scan. And if she doesn't, then the Cultists are crippled in communication.

[Lightsworn Panda he/him]

Winter, your accusations are too firm. You've even resigned yourself to it.

Edit: coding change.

Edited June 2, 2015 by Lightsworn Panda

[Kasimir he/him]

1. Dear person downvoting people who voted for Winter, I saw you. Stop monkeying with the rep system, for goodness sake.

2. Wilson, Ren would like to knpw when and at what time (+ timezone please, if possible) Winter contacted you. He needs to establish something.

[little wilson she/her]

2. Wilson, Ren would like to knpw when and at what time (+ timezone please, if possible) Winter contacted you. He needs to establish something.

 

Which cycle? She's contacted me every cycle. Not every turn. But every cycle.

 

EDIT: Day 1: May 23, 3:50pm MST

Day 2: May 26, 12:59pm MST

Day 3: May 31, 3:24pm MST

Day 4: June 2, 5:29am MST

[Kasimir he/him]

Which cycle? She's contacted me every cycle. Not every turn. But every cycle.

EDIT: Day 1: May 23, 3:50pm MST

Day 2: May 26, 12:59pm MST

Day 3: May 31, 3:24pm MST

Day 4: June 2, 5:29am MST

Whoa, ok. Uh, Ren gave up and asked me to just ask you bluntly if you at any point potentially leaked Phat's Priestness to Winter.

[little wilson she/her]

I just searched the PM for any mention of Phatt's name and before today, the only thing I'd said about him was that I was suspicious of his involvement in the first bandwagon (since that's what I was telling everybody at that point, until I knew for sure if he was the priest).

[Seonid he/him]

Posting this from my mobile phone, so I can't do color. This is a new development to be sure. Sorry I suspected you, Meta.

And sorry for playing a part in pushing you out into the open.

And Winter,you had me convinced. Well done. If Meta's playing us, I'm sorry to you. But I really don't think he is.

EDIT: I'll edit in color when I get back to a computer.

 

EDIT2: Added in color.

Edited June 3, 2015 by Seonid

[Metacognition he/him]

Why'd you seek me out of anyone else, anyway?

 

You were one of the few people on Day 1 that seemed to be doing a lot of talking, but you also never committed to anything. Plus, you seemed to be favoring the search for the Gyorn, which is a simple area for the Cultists to be able to speak about honestly and thus be less suspicious. As such, I suspected that I might find one there.

 

I planned to scan either you or Kas after that first day (Kas was a bit more aggressive than I remembered him being in the past). In the end, since Kas hadn't been playing recently, I figured that if he was a Cultist, I wouldn't want to take him out so early in the game, so I scanned you. Then you wound up being a Cultist! I felt really bad about you dying so early during your first attempt at being evil last game, so I figured I'd kill two birds with one stone. I could hopefully get you guys to waste a kill attempt on me, get a few more names of people to start building suspicions from, and also give you a chance to play for longer. 

 

So sorry that I wound up getting you killed, but to be fair, you are trying to kill the rest of us as well! 

[little wilson she/her]

And now​ would be a good time for our vote manipulation roles to jump in. Winter's vote is prime for the Duke/Duchess who already used their power, especially since she'll die so she can't mess with your vote. I'd suggest that any village Princes/Princesses or Dukes/Duchesses pull from the people who don't vote so that the Cultist vote manipulators can't get 3 votes on Phatt. While it wouldn't be horrible to lose a priest to the Hoed, I'd prefer not to, and Meta can cover out here while Phatt gets in Elantris.

 

EDIT: Also, have we heard anything about Phatt's scan last night?

[Araris Valerian he/him]

Sorry for not really participating in discussion. Usually I am online with my iPad, but I recently got The Aether of Night and if I change out of the google docs app then I lose my place. So I am really the only one to blame. I guess I might as well put a vote on Winter, but perhaps later tonight I can get back on and see how all of the arguments for Meta's lynch are laid out. I am also a bit curious why Winter didn't try to get Meta killed. Everyone was all ready to lynch him, so his claims could have been faked to try and take a villager down with him. Of course, since Winter admitted her guilt this doesn't seem likely at all.

 

I guess I see that Winter said she didn't think it was worth trying, so that is that. Still, you should have tried. It might have been fun!

[Haelbarde he/him]

Vote Count: (Kas Notation)

Kasimir{0}: Hael<1><3>

Winter{8}: Meta, Kipper, Winter<1>, Wilson<2>, Lightsworn, Seonid<2>, Araris, Haelbarde<4>

Meta{2}: Kas<1>, Twelfth, Wilson<1>, Seonid<1>, Emerald

Phattemer{1}: Winter<2>

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Removed Vote: Hael<2> Kas<2>

 

Vote Count: (Standard Notation)

Winter{8}: Meta, Kipper, Wilson, Lightsworn, Seonid, Araris Haelbarde

Meta{2}: Twelfth, Emerald

Phattemer{1}: Winter

 

To be extra clear, I've removed my vote from Kas, and placed it on Winter.

I've also accounted for the presence of Her Royal Highness, Lady Kiieron.

 

And now light breaks, shining through

the hearts of all, revealing the living dark

as a council gathers to see us through.

 

Without doubt can all see,

the shining light of thy pure heart,

I'll follow where your footsteps lead.

Edited June 2, 2015 by Haelbarde

[little wilson she/her]

I've also accounted for the presence of Her Royal Highness, Lady Kiieron.

 

Her Royal Highness, Lady Kiireon doesn't like having her name misspelled. She keeps muttering something about how retribution is important. I'm not sure what she's talking about, but it sounds like the "reo" needs to be there.

 

Why'd all the poetry start anyway?

 

Kas decided he didn't want to be lovers with Kipper and has taken to forging a bond with Hael. It seems to be swimmingly for them both, judging by the poetry they keep composing for each other. I think I'm going to echo Meta's request: Get a room, you two.

[Haelbarde he/him]

Why'd all the poetry start anyway?

The sun was setting when the court decided to vote. One by one, votes were put forward. While a number abstained from voting, and while some voted in secret, still the majority made a vote. The votes were carefully counted (though bribes and royal commands caused some to be changed). The chief magistrate came to the podium. 

 

"The votes have been tallied, and the fate of one of us has been sealed."

 

Guards swiftly took Mailliw, who had garnered almost half of the votes. As he was dragged away, using his last words to attempt to help the other Citizens.

 

"Kipper's a Keeper of the Secret Tunnels," he called. "Honey's a benevolent pirate. Mushroom didn't say anything." The last bit didn't make total sense, but the rest was clear enough. Kipper came forward, grumbling about his occupation being revealed but still corroborated Mailliw's plan. After he was executed, there were no signs of any misdeeds on Mailliw's body. He hadn't been a Cultist like the whole room had suspected.

 

The rest of the results of the lynch were then pinned to the door. Everyone clambered around, particularly Haelbarde, trying to ascertain what had happened. One thing stood out as decidedly odd. The whole room had heard Kipper publicly, and repeatedly, accuse Kas of being the enemy. But his vote had been disqualified! Haelbarde interrogated Kipper.

 

"You're a Keeper. You know secrets. You could have hidden your vote. Did you truly vote for Kas?"

 

Kipper protested that he was innocent, that he'd not made any unfair use of his position as Keeper of the Secret Tunnels. Willing, for the time, to believe Kipper's innocence, this left but two very similar options. Kas could be the Dula, being so charismatic as to having votes removed from him as everyone loved him just so much, or Kipper and Kas could be in love, and Tulir (the magistrate) knew to stop anything from happening. 

Kas refused to give a straight answer, choosing instead to speak the beautiful poetry for Kipper, but Kipper did not reciprocate. But when Haelbarde decided to cast suspicion on Kas, to find out the truth behind the matter, Kasimir turned to him, withdrawing his gift of poetry from Kipper, instead conveying it to Haelbarde. So taken was he by the poetry, that Haelbarde was powerless to resist, and begun to speak back to Kas in words of rhyme.

 

And so that was the story of how but a single vote caused the poets tongues to speak.

 

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Her Royal Highness, Lady Kiireon doesn't like having her name misspelled. She keeps muttering something about how retribution is important. I'm not sure what she's talking about, but it sounds like the "reo" needs to be there. 

Aaaaaaaaa. Your Excellence, please for give your humble servant, for he does not have a good memory for names, not with everyone have so many. He does not any longer wish to be on any lists, and such a grievous error as to mispronounce the name of whom he seeks to delight is nigh unforgivable. In what form would reparations be acceptable. Perhaps he could compose poetry for Her Amazingness?

Edited June 3, 2015 by Haelbarde

[dowanx]

Wow a lot has happened.  I have been fairly sick as I said in my last post and it has pretty much knocked me on my chull for the last 3 days  I am finally starting to feel better and almost am caught up on work so I can pay attention to the game.  

 

Winter I was actually believing your changed play style was due to your first time GMing.  You actually had me fooled.

[twelfthrootoftwo]

Well, that wasn't what I was expecting. Meta Winter

 

So, as you can see, Wilson, I had reason to be skeptical of someone else proclaiming to be a Priest. Thus why I doubted (and still doubt. You're definitely going to need to be scanned, IMO. If it turns out that you're clear, then we'll have two Priests we can trust) Phatt's first claims. 

Why not scan Phatt himself? It seems to me that would be a more direct way of verifying Wilson (and Ren).

 

Is there a kind soul willing to lend me a Seon for a cycle? There's someone I want to contact. (I'm not much of a PM person, so you'd get it back straight away.)

 

For the record, I think lynching someone because their play has improved isn't a good thing for the community in the long term. And I'm happy to give the occasional Eliminator a free pass (Winter got scanned, so she doesn't count any more ) in favour of encouraging the player base to develop.

[The Honey Badger he/him]

Hey guys, sorry I have had school and I had to get new frames for my new prescription, so I am still dizzy.

(My new Oculator Lenses, duh I started Alcatraz today, woooooooot)

 

Okay Winter, you had me fooled, I thought you were good, but nah. 

 

Edit to Add: I have started taking notes (as promised) but I haven't gotten very far and it's hard to do while watching Daredevil

Edited June 3, 2015 by The Honey Badger

[Metacognition he/him]

 

Why not scan Phatt himself? It seems to me that would be a more direct way of verifying Wilson (and Ren).

 

That is a good point. I likely wasn't going to scan Wilson anyways though. Winter has agreed with Wilson far too many times (and put her down as someone that she trusts in her analysis of all the players last night) for the two of them to likely be working together. I highly doubt Wilson would take the risk of both of them getting found out if one of them did. This is also likely why I didn't see a lot of people standing up for Winter when I accused her in past cycles. The Cultists know what they're doing. I was more curious as to how Wilson would react to the idea, so I could more likely judge whether I was mistaken in my assumption that they wouldn't work so closely together. 

 

Besides, unless Winter is truly trolling us something fierce (I wouldn't put it past her to be this clever), she and the rest of the Cultists have verified Phatt for us:

 

Gyorn, if you have a Seon, my friends would like to deal with you. Because "Two Korathi Priests are bad news."

 

Of course, it could be a trick, but I think they are truly trying to reach out to the Gyorn there; especially since it's an ongoing "offer" by the Cultists. 

[Metacognition he/him]

Um, Korathi Priests are safe roles.

 

I missed that. I'm so used to not having any safe roles that I just automatically assumed that they wouldn't be! And here I was trying to go about it being all clever, Winter! Thanks for ruining it for me!

 

EDIT: Besides, we didn't know if Phatt was fake claiming or not. Now, I feel a lot more confident that he's legit. 

Edited June 3, 2015 by Metacognition

[Haelbarde he/him]

Vote Count: (Kas Notation)

 

Kasimir{0}: Hael<1><3>

Winter{11}: Meta, Kipper, Winter<1>, Wilson<2>, Lightsworn, Seonid<2>, Araris, Haelbarde<4>, dowanx, twelfth<2>, honey

Meta{1}: Kas<1>, Twelfth<1>, Wilson<1>, Seonid<1>, Emerald

Phattemer{1}: Winter<2>

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Removed Vote: Hael<2> Kas<2>

 

Vote Count: (Standard Notation)

Winter{11}: Meta, Kipper, Wilson, Lightsworn, Seonid, Araris, Haelbarde, Dowanx, Twelfth, Honey

Meta{1}: Emerald

Phattemer{1}: Winter

 

Winter, I think you'd need more than one Seon to buy everyone off. I'm not even sure if there's Seon's enough to by all the votes off.

Edited June 3, 2015 by Haelbarde