Age Of Ultron [SPOILERS]

[Delightful]

Sorry to all those in countries where it's not released yet. THERE WILL BE SPOILERS HERE.

Impressions:

Ok so - that movie was *fantastic*.

- language. "Do you speak to your mother with that mouth?" And the scene when they're all hanging around at the party - loved loved the dialogue going on.

Black widow and hulk - I kind of don't ship it and I kind of want to see where that relationship would go.

Another OMG moment was when the helicarrier appeared out of nowhere.

And Vision lifting Thor's hammer - that was hilarious.

And Bartons family was great. His wife is super cliche and underdeveloped but I'm ok with that since she only had like 2 minutes of screen time. I loved the moment when one of the kids showes Natasha a drawing in the middle of serious conversation. She's great with kids. (And can't have any!! :'( )

I do question a) what Banner thought he would achieve at the end there, because he knows he can't die.

are we going to see Jarvis again? Also how does Stark run his suit without it?

[Voidus]

Yeah they did a great job of fitting so much in and yet none of it felt too rushed either, they had a fully developed romantic subplot, a homelife reveal, action sequences and plenty of new characters as well as cameos.
It was really great.
Though I still don't know how I feel about them making Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver non-mutants and just being experiments.

[Edgedancer he/him]

I know I'm reapeting some of what others have said but the movie was so good.

I really like Ultron as a villain, it was especially fun to look for all of Tony's manerisms and speech patterns he used.

To be honest, when they created Vision (and I did not know he was going to be Vision) my first first thought was that they just created Magneto. Think about it, he could have adapted Ultrons mental note about adaption to super humans, be it mutant or otherwise, the flooting really reminded me of him, his color scheme matched and they already had Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver so why not more X-Men characters. Of course I was absolutely wrong but it was nice as long it lasted.

I wonder if the B-Team at the end will ever get more focus. Although, talking about B-Team, I do wonder how they are going to set up Civil War, if all superheroes are affilitaed with the Avengers/S.H.I.E.L.D (pretty much the same at this point) anyway and the only new one is going to be Ante-Man.

 

I do question a) what Banner thought he would achieve at the end there, because he knows he can't die.
are we going to see Jarvis again? Also how does Stark run his suit without it?

He didn't want to kill himself, he essentially ran away.

He does have back up systems and I fear Friday is going to replace Jarvis.

 

Yeah they did a great job of fitting so much in and yet none of it felt too rushed either, they had a fully developed romantic subplot, a homelife reveal, action sequences and plenty of new characters as well as cameos.
It was really great.
Though I still don't know how I feel about them making Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver non-mutants and just being experiments.

And what good acion it was.

I can see why they did it, they can't bring over the entire X-Men because of sold movie rights from what I know and keeping mutants out of the vers also makes sense, given how game changing that would be.

[Delightful]

A friend of mine hypothesised that the B-team (official name or your name? I haven't read the comics) are there so that Marvel can wean the audience onto new characters before their contracts with Robert Downey Jnr. etc expire and everyone's favourites suddenly disappear.

(That being said: black widow movie!!!! It needs to happen )

[Mckeedee123 he/him]

Sigh... for once, the US is getting the movie late, and I'm bummed.

[Redbird he/him]

Yeah, it won't even be out here until the 30th.

[Voidus]

Feel the pain of Australians as you now have to wait in the knowledge that someone else watched it first.

[Quiver he/him]

I liked it?

 

Yeah. I liked it; it was a fun movie, and I'm probably going to see it again. I don't think it was as strong as the first movie- partly because there wasn't any buildup throughout Phase Two for this, partly because it's pacing is different- but I liked the movie.

Oddly enough, I think the only films you need to see for it are Iron Man 3 and (maybe) The Winter Soldier; the latetr explains why they don't have SHIELD backing (since Strucker can be explained as random terrorist group), but Tony's monologue at the end of IM3 explains Ultron's intentions so perfectly.

 

After all, Tony explains about wanting "a suit of armor around the world", following his announcement in 3 that "It's not armor, it's a cocoon"; Tony went into the Iron Man armor a selfish human being, and came out a hero. It kind of explains why Ultron is obsessed with trying to "evolve" humanity, if he is tking Tony's metaphorical interpretation as literal and applying it to the planet.

 

Anyway, Ultron was... alright. Not like the comics, but I kind of accepted that when I realised he had a mouth that actually moved. He really was a dark version of Tony, and in that regards, Spader played him very well.

 

Also...

In retrospect, I love how they set up Quicksilvers death. The first time someone tries to shoot a bullet at him is Klaw, and Quicksilver is fast enough to unload the gun and put the bullet back on the desk. Then Hawkeye shoots at him, and he is quick enough to see and dodge it. Then the final fight kicks off, and he is accidently shot by a cop on their side... and he ends up dying by being riddled with bullets. Beautiful.

 

Also, I hope he stays dead, mostly because I think it would be great if the X-Men movies had Pietro, and Avengers had Wanda. That seems the fairest compromise.

[BeskarKomrk he/him]

I thought the movie was pretty good as a stand-alone superhero action movie. The fight scenes were very well done and lots of Trademark Whedon Witty Dialogue. Spader definitely did a great job as Ultron and as much as I hate the trope of "They weren't dead after all", I would love to see more from him.

 

As far as being a movie set in a shared universe, I thought it didn't do quite as well. I've watched everything from the MCU (except maybe The Incredible Hulk I think) and I'm all caught up on Agents of SHIELD. Maybe there was some material that got cut out in editing, but I was really curious how the setup of the movie was going to affect and be affected by the status quo from Agents of SHIELD and I was disappointed that they didn't really touch on that at all. I think I'm probably spoiled from reading Cosmere stuff and I expect too much from a project with so many authors writing for it, but I really felt like Whedon just didn't care about putting in anything to that effect, even just a line or two explaining how we got to where we are.

 

Any of the scenes involving various characters and lifting Thor's Hammer were gold (I think there are like three or four total places where it comes up). That was a really good running plot throughout and it paid off well with Vision picking it up. Somebody online was saying that it would've been cool for Black Widow to pick it up at some point since they seem to set it up with her not trying in the first scene. That could've been cool, I definitely would've freaked out if it had happened.

 

I was a little upset that Quicksilver died, since I enjoyed him during the film. However, I really really doubt he'll stay dead forever. Mostly because the actor signed a contract for multiple films. And because he's too good of character to use for one movie and then dump.

[Quiver he/him]

I thought the movie was pretty good as a stand-alone superhero action movie. The fight scenes were very well done and lots of Trademark Whedon Witty Dialogue. Spader definitely did a great job as Ultron and as much as I hate the trope of "They weren't dead after all", I would love to see more from him.

 

As far as being a movie set in a shared universe, I thought it didn't do quite as well. I've watched everything from the MCU (except maybe The Incredible Hulk I think) and I'm all caught up on Agents of SHIELD. Maybe there was some material that got cut out in editing, but I was really curious how the setup of the movie was going to affect and be affected by the status quo from Agents of SHIELD and I was disappointed that they didn't really touch on that at all. I think I'm probably spoiled from reading Cosmere stuff and I expect too much from a project with so many authors writing for it, but I really felt like Whedon just didn't care about putting in anything to that effect, even just a line or two explaining how we got to where we are.

 

Any of the scenes involving various characters and lifting Thor's Hammer were gold (I think there are like three or four total places where it comes up). That was a really good running plot throughout and it paid off well with Vision picking it up. Somebody online was saying that it would've been cool for Black Widow to pick it up at some point since they seem to set it up with her not trying in the first scene. That could've been cool, I definitely would've freaked out if it had happened.

 

I was a little upset that Quicksilver died, since I enjoyed him during the film. However, I really really doubt he'll stay dead forever. Mostly because the actor signed a contract for multiple films. And because he's too good of character to use for one movie and then dump.

 

Yeah! The movie does kind of set it up, what with her refusing, and the lines about her being as much of a monster as Bruce... it would have been amazing if she had lifted it.

 

And... Civil War Speculation below (which may count as spoilers, so don't say I didn't warn you).

 

I've had a theory about the Infinity War movies for a while now. Since they are being filmed back to back, I don't know how do-able it is... but that's where this theory comes in.

 

First: Cap is going to die in Civil War. It happened in the comic, so it could happen here.

 

Second... my theory on Infinity War. My guess has always been that the last scene, or the credits scene, of Infinity War Part One is going to invovle Captain America walking out of the shadows, Nick Fury style, and putting together a team to go help the other Avengers fighting Thanos.

If Quicksilver is scheduled for more movies... I would be so down for him to be in Captain America's Dead Avengers team.

 

[BeskarKomrk he/him]

Yeah! The movie does kind of set it up, what with her refusing, and the lines about her being as much of a monster as Bruce... it would have been amazing if she had lifted it.

 

And... Civil War Speculation below (which may count as spoilers, so don't say I didn't warn you).

 

I've had a theory about the Infinity War movies for a while now. Since they are being filmed back to back, I don't know how do-able it is... but that's where this theory comes in.

 

First: Cap is going to die in Civil War. It happened in the comic, so it could happen here.

 

Second... my theory on Infinity War. My guess has always been that the last scene, or the credits scene, of Infinity War Part One is going to invovle Captain America walking out of the shadows, Nick Fury style, and putting together a team to go help the other Avengers fighting Thanos.

If Quicksilver is scheduled for more movies... I would be so down for him to be in Captain America's Dead Avengers team.

 

That's an awesome theory! I could totally see all of that being the case and I would definitely freak out in the theater if that happened. I'd say it's definitely a solid possibility given that the Russo Brothers are directing both Civil War and Infinity War, I wouldn't be surprised if they're more closely tied together.

[wallyrocket]

How is it that someone can be sad for Natasha not being able to have children and in the same paragraph say that Barton's wife was cliché?  What is wrong with being a mom?  And she was an awesome mom and wife.  She may not be able to dual wield a pair of hand guns, but it looks like she is great at the far more important job of taking care of a family.  She completely supports her husband's job even though it scares her to death to know that he probably won't come home someday.

I guess she reminds me of my wife with my kids when I'm deployed to the Middle East.  I have to tell her that yep, I'm leaving again, this time to a more dangerous place.  She sighs and then we start to make plans for the short time that we do have together.

Moms are awesome.  They keep a society grounded.  They are never cliché.

[Edgedancer he/him]

Question to those of you that know more about the comics than I do. How... liberal was this movie with it's source material?

[Quiver he/him]

I'm not the biggest Marvel fan, but there were some big changes. Ultron in the comics is significantly less human (as well as having a different origin), and the Banner/Natasha romance was all new.

Theresca few comics the story draws inspiration from, but it doesn't adapt a single Ultron story, so much as borrow elements from a bunch of Ultron stories.

(Funnily enough, the Age of Ultron comic event is not one which influenced this film, not to mention being...not so good on its own merits.)

[ChullRider he/him]

What would happen if Vin Ironpulled Thor's hammer?

[Edgedancer he/him]

What would happen if Vin Ironpulled Thor's hammer?

The strong Investure would interfere with the ironpull. Aka, Allomancy isn't worthy.

[Dellexe he/him]

So, I just saw this. 
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Ultron can come back.
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Vision has most of Ultron's consciousness inside of him. The JARVIS side has more control because the Mind Gem joins the opposing sides somewhat. Think of the Mind Gem as being like Sazed, holding Ruin (Ultron) and Preservation(JARVIS-AI) together.

Theory: In Infinity War Thanos and Vision will fight. Thanos will rip the Mind Gem out of Vision's head and Ultron will slowly start to assert himself over JARVIS's protocols.

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Comic spoilers about Black Widow.

In the comics Black Widow does actually lift the Hammer. I think Cap might. They hint at his ability to when he makes the hammer shift slightly during the party scene.

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Quicksilver/Scarlet Witch.

Though many people feel it's kinda odd, I appreciate how they explained their powers in this universe. In the MCU they only have a few sources that can explain their powers. Infinity Gems, them being Inhumans, or just random genetic mutation. Explaining their abilities as just natural genetic mutation kinda steps on Fox's X-men toes a bit, plus every natural genetic mutation besides the Inhumans has been fairly weak in terms of power thus far. They're saving Inhumans for the film/Agents of Shield. It would be hard to explain the whole Inhuman background and story inside of Age of Ultron. The last is the previously established precedent that Infinity Stones can give people powers. Because this ties directly into the Scepter and the previous Avengers film, this was the easiest way to explain their powers in universe. Also, I like how they changed Scarlet Witch's powers from the comics. In the comics her powers are a lot more nebulous, they encompass more reality-warping than straight telekinesis. Strange (hah) powers like that are hard to explain, show, and write around.

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Black Panther.

They did a great job of subtly and not overtly setting up the setting and villain of the Black Panther movie. They've now established that Wokanda (however it's spelled...) is where Vibranium comes from and that Ulysses Klaw is an enemy of that nation. Also, Klaw is definitely going to use all of his new funds to make himself a vibranium "klaw" since Ultron tore his arm off. That'd also help to make him more evenly matched with Black Panther, who in the comics has a vibranium-weave suit and claws. They also have begun the process of introducing magic into the cinematic universe with the pool that Thor goes into to get information from the "spirits". Looking forward to the furthering of the mystical side of Marvel, with Iron Fist on Netflix, the Hand/Chaste, demon summoning, and all the other fun mystical stuff they can do.

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The B-Team. 

Cap: Avengers, a- *cut*. GOSH DARNIT. THEY DIDN'T LET HIM SAY IT. Captain Marvel was actually supposed to be in that last scene with Scarlet Witch, War Machine, and Falcon but they decided to cut her because they didn't want to suddenly throw in a new important character. I suspect that the new Spider-Man will end up joining the B-Team, because of his late arrival to the MCU. It is confirmed that he, Captain Marvel, and Black Panther will be appearing in CA: Civil War, though. Whether he'll be a part of the B-Team or not is up for speculation. Charlie Cox, otherwise known as the guy playing Daredevil, has also expressed interest in appearing in Civil War.

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Future movies/Civil War comic spoilers. 

The ramifications of Age of Ultron will apparently carry over into Ant-Man, which takes place just after AoU in the timeline. Exactly how much of a role it will play in the movie is unknown, however. Age of Ultron has also planted the seeds of Civil War quite nicely by showing how Stark and Cap have very differing opinions certain things. I'm hoping they have a scene mirroring the comic fight scene between Iron Man and Thor in Civil War. http://i.imgur.com/F982vvJ.jpg

Thor has a rule in the comics, on Earth, no matter what opponent he faces, he will always use only a third of his power. In Civil War he gets pissed enough to stop caring.

[Delightful]

How is it that someone can be sad for Natasha not being able to have children and in the same paragraph say that Barton's wife was cliché? What is wrong with being a mom? And she was an awesome mom and wife. She may not be able to dual wield a pair of hand guns, but it looks like she is great at the far more important job of taking care of a family. She completely supports her husband's job even though it scares her to death to know that he probably won't come home someday.

I guess she reminds me of my wife with my kids when I'm deployed to the Middle East. I have to tell her that yep, I'm leaving again, this time to a more dangerous place. She sighs and then we start to make plans for the short time that we do have together.

Moms are awesome. They keep a society grounded. They are never cliché.

Of course mums are awesome, and I'm sorry if I offended you. I completely agree that mothers and families keep society together.

I also don't think a woman needs to be able to dual wield guns to be cool. One of the reasons I love Sanderson books is that characters like Jasnah primarily use their brains to solve issues. (Also: I don't know a single woman, myself included, who can dual wield guns, and I'd like to think that we're all pretty awesome in our own rights).

My issue with Bartons wife is not an issue with her as a wife, but as a character. I would like to see more of her, get a feel for her personality and what makes her tick, something individual. The same way you can have a "generic police officer" character or a generic "magician/gandalf/dumbledore" character, she's leaning towards generic "wife". Which makes sense in context because she's a minor character in a movie full of leading characters which also introduces two more main leads. And yes, she's amazingly brave for allowing her husband out to a fight in which she knows he's outmatched and might die, which is maybe why I want and expect more from her character.

All this being said: I've only seen the movie once. Maybe if I get a chance I'll rewatch with an eye to Bartons wife and see if there is more to her that I missed.

[Mailliw73 he/him]

First: Cap is going to die in Civil War. It happened in the comic, so it could happen here.

 

 

Chris Evans only has two more pictures left in his contract, so I agree. Either he'll die in Civil War and just appear in dream sequences/flashbacks or he'll die in Infinity War I. I prefer the first option.

 

with Iron Fist on Netflix,

Did I miss something or do you mean Daredevil?

[Quiver he/him]

Chris Evans only has two more pictures left in his contract, so I agree. Either he'll die in Civil War and just appear in dream sequences/flashbacks or he'll die in Infinity War I. I prefer the first option.

Did I miss something or do you mean Daredevil?

I think Iron Fist is one of the characters lined for an upcoming Netflix series.

If you don't know, Marvel is planning on doing a few Netflix series, then bring those characters together for a Defenders miniseries. As well as Daredevil, I believe the cast includes Power Man, Iron Fist and Jessica Jones.

[Observer]

Personally I wasn't a huge fan of it, but that's pretty normal since I'm not a huge fan of Avengers movies. It always feels like the power gaps between characters have to be shrunk somehow to make the lesser heroes like Cap or Hawkeye feel less useless, to say nothing of Black Widow. Liked Ultron, wished they could have done more with him. Loved the banter and every joke about Thor's hammer. My irritation at the softness of Ultron and The Vision's powers is currently being ignored because The Vision is a thing again and that's good enough for me. I vaguely wish there didn't have to be yet another "make them not trust each other" subplot, but I'll grudgingly admit it worked this time while also reminding me of a lot of other good vs good scenes I've liked from other shows.

 

I'm getting derailed and losing flow and coherence, what else is new. Basically, it was good, but I'm not about to start gushing over it.

Edited May 5, 2015 by Observer

[Briar King]

I enjoyed the hell out it. I'm not much for words usually so I ll leave it at that. For end of credits scene was there more then 1? I only waited for 1.

[+Slowswift he/him]

I enjoyed the hell out it. I'm not much for words usually so I ll leave it at that. For end of credits scene was there more then 1? I only waited for 1.

 

Noe, sadly. 

 

But I did love it so [word generator help me out here] much. Marvel is amazing.

Edited May 9, 2015 by Slowswift

[Redbird he/him]

So I just saw it, and as a friend put it,"They could have just called it Avengers: Age of Sass and it would be just as accurate." I liked how they developed Barton as a character, and having the Vision show up was cool. They set up for Black Panther pretty well. Having the Vision worthy of Mjölnir after the party scene was pretty good as well.

[Dellexe he/him]

Chris Evans only has two more pictures left in his contract, so I agree. Either he'll die in Civil War and just appear in dream sequences/flashbacks or he'll die in Infinity War I. I prefer the first option.

Did I miss something or do you mean Daredevil?

Marvel/Netflix is making several series besides Daredevil. 

The lineup is:

Daredevil

AKA Jessica Jones

Luke Cage

Iron Fist

and then the Defenders, which is going to be all of them.