Long Game 10: A Game of Shards

[little wilson she/her]

I'm going to step in here for a PSA. We all know about the editing policy with posts: editing for grammar is fine, but changing more than that--reasoning, argument, angle, etc--isn't. One thing that I don't think we've addressed in the past is hiding posts. Don't do it. If you're hiding a double post, that's fine. But all other posts should be kept in the thread. Even if your logic is mistaken and you realize a vote should go onto someone else, that's where a secondary post or an edit for additional information is used. Editing/hiding is not.

 

Thank you!

[Gamma Fiend he/him]

Well, honestly I was completely suspicious of Winter Cloud and Snoopy, with how fast they gained the information they were throwing around in the thread like that, but obviously they seem to have been cleared beyond a doubt with what's all come out >.<

So I've been trying to work back through the thread and figure things out from there, because it seems my initial suspicions have been quite off.

Our best bet is to look back through and find connections to Vine, right now. See who he was trying to defend or who defended him, if anybody. I am interested on the vote for him though, because in light of him being revealed Poisoner, it does look like the OCs wanted him to be killed, so they could spring the extra kill. So that was why they did the fakeclaim, because they would've won either way. So we should definitely take a look at those who voted with him (one of them being Odium, apparently!)

So right now, I'd like call Peng out. His most recent vote just sounds way too defensive about people looking at those votes on Vine. (and I think he then tried to hide the post O.o)

Edit: Colour.

Edited February 12, 2015 by Gamma Fiend

[luckat she/her]

Now, Ruin has been taken out. The Shards no longer have a direct kill ability. In fact, we may have Hoid Shatter Ruin to completely avoid giving an OC a role-blocking ability. My point in saying this is to let you know that because of this, the ONLY WAY we can take out OCs is through well thought out lynches. Also, the only way that Shards can be killed (assuming that I survive and continue role-blocking Mailliw) is if we lynch a poisoner who happened to have poisoned a Shard. (If anyone can think of a different way a Shard can be killed, please speak up so we can guard against that eventuality)

 

The only other way for a Shard to die that I can think of is if Endowment uses Ruin's Shardic power before giving the shard away when there's a bloodsealer on her, and that would only be a danger to Endowment. Or an unfortunate mislynch, but I'm sure you and the Shards will work to prevent that even though the rest of us don't know who the Shards are.

[Unodus he/him]

By the way, whats stopping us from Lynching Malliw?

Hold on! If we Lynch Mailw, his Shard will just pass on to whoever he last invested in- then we wouldn't know who Odium is. At least by keeping him alive, we can monitor what he does through Shard powers.

[Peng the Just he/him]

Putting my vote on Alvaron for now. I've found his logic to be flawed. He said it's more suspicious to have voted for vine than to not have voted for him.

[Araris Valerian he/him]

I'm going to put my vote on Winter, for now, for the same reason as before. You stepped in and voted for Sarcomere, asking for an explanation for a vote that had already been explained, albeit badly.

 

The thing about what Alvron said is that, at least from the docs I've seen, the eliminators tend to spread their votes in a similar manner to the villagers, some one one person, some on another and a few not at all. I don't think Vine and Ant's lynches themselves are very useful to the village, although if one group or the other shows up repeatedly in future situations then we can begin to apply that sort of logic.

 

Do we have a complete list of who was on Nalthis? Because I suspect that one of them was an OC Unmade, which should give us a bit of a start as far as where to look next.

Edited February 13, 2015 by Araris Valerian

[Aonar he/him]

I still don’t understand how they did it. Somehow, they locked the moment of my death in time. I suppose having the power of a god helped with that.

 

I could go back as much as I liked, redoing the same 34 years over and over again. But when the time came, I was always faced by the same choice. Go back, or continue, into the unknown. I suddenly found myself constrained in a way I never had been before. I have my regrets, things I’ll never be able to do, simply because I’ll never have the time. But I’ve done as much as I can, I think.

 

The metalmind packaged with this book contains the key to my story. It is not a hero’s tale, and I am not proud of it, but it is a record of my attempts to right what I so carelessly wronged. If you’re willing to forgive me, and wish to know the truth, remember:

 

There’s always another secret.

 

     ~Aonar

 

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Nilan Izenry closed the book, sinking back into his armchair. It all seemed too strange to be true. His Ruin-cursed father, who’d left without a word near twenty years ago, a warrior? A hero? A man who had walked through time, fought gods, and steered nations? It was too fanciful to even comprehend.

 

Add to that the fact that the metalmind his father referred to was nowhere to be found, and Nilan wasn’t sure what to believe. In some ways however, it made a lot of sense. His father had never been around much, and after his disappearance, Nilan’s mother had been… strange. She had seemed to know that he was never coming back from the moment he left, but she had never been angry. She had never resented him for leaving them.

 

Nilan ran his fingers over the cover of the book one last time. It had taken him a longer to finish than he’d expected, but in the end, it appeared an empty hope.

 

A little flake of gold drifted lazily through the air. Nilan’s eyes narrowed. What?

 

He grabbed a letter-opener and carefully prodded at the gold ornamentation on the book’s cover. More flakes fell. Underneath the layer of gilding, the metal took on the bright orange of copper.

 

Despite himself, he could feel his excitement building. Placing a finger on the exposed strip of copper, he tapped the memories contained within.

 

Broken flashes of sensation followed, sights, smells, sounds. Nilan wasn’t quite sure what he was remembering. Eventually, the memories coalesced. A darkened corner of the Izenry mansion came into view. A few bricks were missing from the wall. A terrible sadness accompanied the image, like nothing Nilan had ever felt before.

 

Tapping steel, Nilan bolted for the basement. Finding the wall in question, he tapped pewter and kicked through it. Hesitant now, he stepped through into the secret room.

 

It was filled with row upon row of selves, carefully labelled with dates and names and numbers. Each shelf was filled with little copper cubes.

 

To the left, there was a note on one of the shelves. It read: Start here. Thank you, Nilan.

 

 

And so Aonar Izenry, second of his name, passed away, once and for all. Good luck going forward, guys. Merry lynching!

[Guest]

I've gotta take my vote off Bort

Araris, Winter IS INNOCENT.

[ostrichofevil he/him]

Agreed with Snoopy.  Winter is innocent, Araris.  What is your role, anyway?  Are you the Unmade who destroyed Nalthis?

[Araris Valerian he/him]

When did we establish that? Winter? I guess I don't know who to vote for if I'm going to get shot down 33% of the time for picking a shard or Hoid without realizing it. I am not going to reveal my role since I want to have some independence in this game, but I wasn't the unmade. I'll pop in next day cycle and see if anything has changed.

 

Edit: I wasn't on Nalthis last night, so if I had Death Star powers Sacdrial would be in pieces now.

Edited February 13, 2015 by Araris Valerian

[ostrichofevil he/him]

Sorry, Araris, you're right.  Still, you could be a Poisoner [EDIT or Bloodsealer].

Edited February 13, 2015 by ostrichofevil

[Lord Pifferdoo he/him]

Do we have a list of the people that used to be on Nalthis? That might be a useful thing to have. 

[ostrichofevil he/him]

By the way, what's the harm in a world being destroyed?  No one dies…

[Tulir he/him]

By the way, what's the harm in a world being destroyed?  No one dies…

It helps the OCs shuffle their member's around, potentially infecting a clean world.

[luckat she/her]

Do we have a list of the people that used to be on Nalthis? That might be a useful thing to have.

Me, Gamma, Peng, twelfth, and dowanx

[Alvron]

putting my vote on Alvron for now. I've found his logic thus far to be flawed. Saying that we should be more suspicious of people who voted for vine than people who didn't just seems silly.

I never said that we should be more suspicious of those that voted for Vine than Ant, just that there is a habit of Eliminators voting for each other when they aren't in danger as a way of separating themselves from the one about to be exposed.  With only four living members having voted for Vine then there was a smaller number to go through then the ten that voted for Ant.

 

And it turned out that I was right, Maill was one of those who voted for Vine and has been named as Odium.  I fail to see how my logic was flawed when it was in fact spot on.

 

Edit: I was also right about Team Rayse having some plan to either expose or kill Ruin.  I just choose the wrong method.

Edited February 13, 2015 by Alvron

[Eolhondras he/him]

Not to give a foot hold to Vine's delightful final message to us all, but I am a little frustrated be the exclusivity of the shard group. At the moment the general vibe seems to be just to sit back and let the shards do whatever they feel is best, which I guess has some merit, but is also reeeaaalllyyyy boring. So onwards with the accusations.

 

Nalthis being destroyed is quite interesting. Sure it could be possible for a worldhopper to have destroyed it just to shake things up a bit, but after having a look at the inhabitants of that world, it seems more likely to me that there were a number of OC's on there, and they wanted to branch out. I think it's particularly likely since Mailli (Odium) was the first to bring up the option. 

 

"The world freezing idea is a good one, it's just that the less populated planets will be more easily manipulated if there is an OC on that planet. The Unmade could also throw a wrench into this plan if they destroy one of the groups." #269 'A Game of Shards'.

 

 Of those on that world (Luckat, Gamma, Peng, twelfth, and dowanx), Gramps has had my attention for quite a while, and I'm still not willing to look past Peng. That brings us to the new inclusion, Downax. With the recent information about shard collaboration and proven innocents etc, I had a look back over the moments where innocents were targeted and as such was drawn to the the day 2 lynch where Winter was in a precarious situation. Working off the assumption that Winter is innocent because she is a shard, that would make her a definite target for the OC's, and with her information reveals going on at the time, it wouldn't have taken too much imagination to identify, or at least suspect, her role.

 

That brings me to some vote tallys.

 

This one from halfway through the cycle

Meta (2)--twelfth, Sarc
Sarc (2)--Meta, vineyarddawg
Winter (2)--ArarVal, Dowanx
Clanky (2)--Panda, Gamma
Swalji09 (1)--Aonar
AntMax (1)--ostrich

Tulir (1)--Clanky

 

And the final tally

Clanky(5): Panda, Gamma, Mckeedee, Snoopy

Winter Cloud(3): Araris Valerian, Dowanx, Mailliw

Sarcomere (2): Metacognition, Unodus

Swalji09 (1): Aonar Faileas

Antiller Maximus(1): OstrichofEvil

Tulir(1): Clanky

 

This looks to me like eliminators trying to keep their options open. Note that none of them put the first vote on anyone, rather they followed on the back of someone else's logic in order to avoid suspicion if it came under closer scrutiny. I'm guessing the votes didn't go quite the way they would have liked, but since Clanky was a villager anyway, they didn't risk rocking the boat to go after a more influential player.

 

Then I had a look at the Day 3 Vote tally.

 

Antillar Maximus(10):Vineyarddawg, Eolhondras, Tulir, Feligon, Ostrichofevil, swalji09, winter cloud, Gamma Fiend, Unodus

Vineyarddawg(5): Mailliw73, Dowanx, JasonPenguin, leiftinspace, Antillar Maximus

Winter Cloud(1): Bort

Sarcomere(1): Metacognition

 

The way I find them grouped is to consistent for me to pass it off as coincidence. In this case, they would be voting for a doomed team mate to avoid suspicion, but also gain some credibility by being able to say they voted for the eliminator.

 

As well as all of this Cultivation was nice enough to put me in a PM with Dowanx and Sarcomere some time ago. It has since gone quiet but in my reflection of other matters things began to stick out to me. Dowanx was the most vocal in our little group, however he was only vocal about one thing. He reiterated over and over his suspicion of Winter, and was prompting myself and Sarc about our thoughts on the matter. As I've said before, Winter, at the time, was likely a high priority target, and it would make sense to sew some seeds and go after her. As a result Dowanx, you have my full attention, and hopefully that of some others as well.

 

tl:dr - OC conspiracies. Vote for Pedro (Dowanx)

[Splinter he/him]

As well as all of this Cultivation was nice enough to put me in a PM with Dowanx and Sarcomere some time ago. It has since gone quiet but in my reflection of other matters things began to stick out to me. Dowanx was the most vocal in our little group, however he was only vocal about one thing. He reiterated over and over his suspicion of Winter, and was prompting myself and Sarc about our thoughts on the matter. As I've said before, Winter, at the time, was likely a high priority target, and it would make sense to sew some seeds and go after her. As a result Dowanx, you have my full attention, and hopefully that of some others as well.

 

tl:dr - OC conspiracies. Vote for Pedro (Dowanx)

This seems very suspicious of Dowanx as many people have already claimed Winters innocence.  I am going to agree with Eolhondras.

[Guest]

I'll believe it was a mistake, but I did say that Winter was innocent before. Sorry, Araris.

[leiftinspace he/him]

I think I'm also going to agree with Eolhondras. I vote for. Dowanx. MODS, PLEASE MARK THAT RED FOR ME? I'M ON MY PHONE! THANKS!!!!

Edited February 14, 2015 by Gamma Fiend
Fixed color as per request

[Gamma Fiend he/him]

Okay, these votes on dowanx might start being considered a bandwagon at some point. Especially considering when, looking at Dowanx's profile, they haven't even been on the forum in the last few days. So I'm not sure what these votes for an inactive are trying to accomplish at the moment, so I'm definitely a little bit suspicious of Swalij and leif now. Or are they Shards too, and me voting for them without knowing somehow will earn me votes, too?

[Eolhondras he/him]

Okay, these votes on dowanx might start being considered a bandwagon at some point. Especially considering when, looking at Dowanx's profile, they haven't even been on the forum in the last few days. So I'm not sure what these votes for an inactive are trying to accomplish at the moment, so I'm definitely a little bit suspicious of Swalij and leif now. Or are they Shards too, and me voting for them without knowing somehow will earn me votes, too?

 

I'd like to believe it's just because people like my Napoleon Dynamite reference..

[leiftinspace he/him]

My wife is from Idaho. Gotta love Napoleon dynamite.

[leiftinspace he/him]

Seriously though Gamma, from what Eol said, he sounds a little fishy to me. We need to start finding some more Champions, and he seems the most suspicious to me at this point.

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

Hey Ostrich, you never retracted your vote for Mailliw.

 

Araris Valerian(1): Snoopy

Dowanx(4): Bort, Eolhondras, Swalji, Leiftinspace

Mailliw(1): Ostrich

Gammafiend(1): Twelfth Root

Alvron(1): JasonPenguin

JasonPenguin(1): Gammafiend