MR77: Cycle One: Diamonds

[Through the Living Hopper He/Him]

3 hours ago, Ascended Grubberfly said:

Hi, I’m here.

Noob speaking, but is killing a bad idea? I know that it helps reveal information, but it means we need to acquire more favor with the Reshi. We can save items that give Favor if we don’t rack up Emnity early.

A big point of poke votes isn't the actual exe, but seeing how people react. On that note, TJ. @|TJ|

[The Unknown Character he/him]

Everyone saying not to coordinate is crazy to me. Sure, we probably don't this turn (if you're a Officer, you should probably go for a key and use the Treasure option), but why we would leave our lose condition up to fate? 

I'm really sad there isn't a Shardblade, I came up with a whole plan for a reaction test while reading the rules. I call dibs if it does show up though

[Ascended Grubberfly He/Him]

7 minutes ago, The Unknown Character said:

Everyone saying not to coordinate is crazy to me. Sure, we probably don't this turn (if you're a Officer, you should probably go for a key and use the Treasure option), but why we would leave our lose condition up to fate? 

Wait yeah someone should get treasure. Is there someone who can get treasure?

 

[Mystic He/Him]

Okay, I’m here now

Hoid

I’ll be back in a sec after I review rules/the thread and I’ll get something better in then

[Illwei]

I'm going to just put the whole "do we kill" debate that always happens to bed. I'm not going to justify it right now, but for this game specifically.

Ties are broken randomly. If people were to all agree - including ghostbloods - that we wouldn't vote? The tie of 13 votes would be broken, and someone would die- yet we would have no control over it. 

@Ascended Grubberfly @Hoid Slayer

So Grub- if you were to abstain as a protest of voting someone out completely, you are saying a couple of things with that action (intended or not): 

1) It matters not to you who does die, in a pool of 13. 
 - This is pretty self-explanatory, since in a game like this voting is one of the only ways you have to solidly communicate and take action. Sure there are other actions, but eh. 
2) You think other people can make better decisions than you. Someone is going do die regardless. 
 - Regardless of your assumptions or feelings, if you are a Merchant, then in your eyes there is only one confirmed Merchant - Yourself. 
 - You not voting means that the vote is comprised of only those who you do not know the alignment of for certain. 
 - Therefore not voting implies that you are okay with the Ghostbloods being the deciding voice in the Exe. 

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@Qianweilian 

If I'm honest it's because you asked why you were being voted on. 

If I'm being dishonest? Then it's probably because I'm the only one allowed to have a "wei" in their name, or something. 

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@The Unknown Character

I don't see why coordinating actions is important. The only thing that should be said aloud in my mind is making sure that whoever has a (the?) letter of endorsement saves it. Also that people should obviously go for the Favourable Items when trying to grab new things from the ship. Again someone correct me if I am misinterpreting the rules here somehow.  

There are ways to replenish Favourable Items, and I don't see the need. Is it possible that somehow no one uses anything tonight? I suppose. But it's unlikely that we trigger the Rebuke this early and I find it unlikely that we would use  up all favorable items doing so. 

I do believe that historically I clash a little with TUO, but I may be wrong about that. So forgive me if my vote of 

The Unknown Character

Is at all premature. 

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Everyone saying not to coordinate is crazy to me. Sure, we probably don't this turn (if you're a Officer, you should probably go for a key and use the Treasure option), but why we would leave our lose condition up to fate? 

I'm really sad there isn't a Shardblade, I came up with a whole plan for a reaction test while reading the rules. I call dibs if it does show up though

This is based on the fact that when looking through the thread he seems to come to the conclusion that "everyone" is talking about not to coordinate.
In fact the only person to say that we shouldn't was me, and not a single person agreed with me as far as I can see. Hoid's first post was about how we might want to coordinate, and even in his response to me he didn't agree or disagree one way or another. 

A misinterpretation of the thread is not something worth voting on, but what is happening here is a higher fixation on someone who has posted twice rather than the rest of the thread. If anything, the thread is dominated by the "should we even have an exe" discussion, but instead he doesn't comment on that being the "crazy" part of thread. 

ED1T: 

Adding onto this: I forgot to mention that this also builds on his entrance into thread: Where he noted simply that he existed and would come back later. Check ins such as those are easy ways for Elims to feel like they are contributing to thread existing without having to say much. It's a way to keep promising more that they don't always follow up with. 

Vague negative read on Hoid for now simply because of how amiable he does seem to every comment. 

Who are all the new players and how long have you been playing? Not necessary to answer me, I just worry about pushing too hard on anyone that might make them shrink back when people are being mildly pretty vocal in thread so far. 

Edited Thursday at 11:36 PM by Illwei

[Mystic He/Him]

20 minutes ago, Illwei said:

Who are all the new players and how long have you been playing? Not necessary to answer me, I just worry about pushing too hard on anyone that might make them shrink back when people are being mildly pretty vocal in thread so far. 

Idk you so I’m not sure if I count in that or not. Anyways hi though, I don’t think you have to worry about me not being vocal.(edit: I’ve been playing since last October( wow has it been that long?))

Okay, though now that I’ve read through this, I didn’t miss much. No PMs so far(fair since I wouldn’t have been able to answer) so I don’t have much.

First I would like to Hoid though. After seeing what happened with the FFA game, I don’t want that again.

All I got so far is a derp clear on Grubberfly. I’ll go start some PMs(gotta get through my D1 list) and go from there.

@coco.pudding I’d better be able to trust you this time. Okay? 

Edited Thursday at 11:49 PM by Mystic

[Illwei]

@Mystic Can you elaborate on what you consider to be a derp clear on grub? ...grubby? fly? Gru?

[Mystic He/Him]

1 minute ago, Illwei said:

@Mystic Can you elaborate on what you consider to be a derp clear on grub? ...grubby? fly? Gru?

Oh, he asked for someone else to get the  treasure

That means he’s not an officer. He then asked if there was someone who could get it. If he was Elim he’d (most likely*) have a teammate who’d have coached him better.

Plus he probably would’ve had a teammate who could use it.

To me there’s quite a few things that wouldn’t make sense if he was Elim. Plus this is his first game, so I’m discounting him trying for a derp clear

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

3 hours ago, The Unknown Character said:

Everyone saying not to coordinate is crazy to me. Sure, we probably don't this turn (if you're a Officer, you should probably go for a key and use the Treasure option), but why we would leave our lose condition up to fate? 

I'm really sad there isn't a Shardblade, I came up with a whole plan for a reaction test while reading the rules. I call dibs if it does show up though

I call double dibs

If a Shardblade pops up I fully plan to go after it with no regard for self preservation and anyone else who competes with me does so at their own risk

3 hours ago, Ascended Grubberfly said:

Wait yeah someone should get treasure. Is there someone who can get treasure?

 

What is Treasure?

39 minutes ago, Mystic said:

Okay, I’m here now

Hoid

I’ll be back in a sec after I review rules/the thread and I’ll get something better in then

Ouch

26 minutes ago, Illwei said:

I'm going to just put the whole "do we kill" debate that always happens to bed. I'm not going to justify it right now, but for this game specifically.

Ties are broken randomly. If people were to all agree - including ghostbloods - that we wouldn't vote? The tie of 13 votes would be broken, and someone would die- yet we would have no control over it. 

Thank you Illwei for that clarification

27 minutes ago, Illwei said:

Hoid's first post was about how we might want to coordinate, and even in his response to me he didn't agree or disagree one way or another. 

Mechanically I believe we should, but I have gotten into conflicts in past games over trying to mechanically solve in a way that takes the fun out of a game and just wanted everyone on the same page about this

8 minutes ago, Mystic said:

Okay, though now that I’ve read through this, I didn’t miss much. No PMs so far(fair since I wouldn’t have been able to answer) so I don’t have much.

I intend on PMing people but I’m lazy, just hold tight I’ll get around to it

8 minutes ago, Mystic said:

Hoid

Gee thanks

9 minutes ago, Mystic said:

After seeing what happened with the FFA game, I don’t want that again.

The what game?

9 minutes ago, Mystic said:

All I got so far is a derp clear on Grubberfly.

I don’t know what a “derp” clear is but I am also liking Grub

I also agree with Illwei about Qian’s reaction to my first vote being kinda weird, but tbh I do feel bad killing him if he died C1 last game

5 minutes ago, Illwei said:

@Mystic Can you elaborate on what you consider to be a derp clear on grub? ...grubby? fly? Gru?

Let’s stick with Grub

Maybe Grubber

@Ascended Grubberfly any preference?

32 minutes ago, Illwei said:

Adding onto this: I forgot to mention that this also builds on his entrance into thread: Where he noted simply that he existed and would come back later. Check ins such as those are easy ways for Elims to feel like they are contributing to thread existing without having to say much. It's a way to keep promising more that they don't always follow up with. 

That is fair

Normally I’d kick off by voting Araris, but that isn’t really an option this time around and I wanted to wait a little to see if anyone else would start a poke vote so I could add mine to theirs (the whole poke votes are useless, two are needed to actually pressure thing)

I got tired of waiting

34 minutes ago, Illwei said:

Vague negative read on Hoid for now simply because of how amiable he does seem to every comment. 

What can I say, I’m a friendly guy

Also going around commenting on other people is a lot easier and requires a lot less brainpower than actually analyzing

34 minutes ago, Illwei said:

Who are all the new players and how long have you been playing? Not necessary to answer me, I just worry about pushing too hard on anyone that might make them shrink back when people are being mildly pretty vocal in thread so far. 

Do I count as a new player to you?

…

OMG I just realized how long that post waS

[Mystic He/Him]

3 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

Ouch

I saw yours and Illwei’s name come up the most, and idk how to read Illwei yet so… 

4 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

I intend on PMing people but I’m lazy, just hold tight I’ll get around to it

Fair, I generally hold off PMing everyone immediately. 

5 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

Gee thanks

you’re welcome

5 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

The what game?

It was a game where Araris was GM, and it was FFA with the killer changing each night, but you could follow someone as an action, and that person you followed would get told they got followed, so everyone just followed each other and the killer either had to

A. Kill someone and have everyone know it was them

B. Not kill anyone and die because of it

So yeah, it wasn’t fun. 

[Illwei]

19 minutes ago, Mystic said:

Oh, he asked for someone else to get the  treasure

That means he’s not an officer. He then asked if there was someone who could get it. If he was Elim he’d (most likely*) have a teammate who’d have coached him better.

Plus he probably would’ve had a teammate who could use it.

To me there’s quite a few things that wouldn’t make sense if he was Elim. Plus this is his first game, so I’m discounting him trying for a derp clear

Again, I don't want anyone to get too discouraged from talking-

But my first interpretation of all of their posts is pretty much expected from a new Elim. I'm of course not set in it, but asking how they did reminds me more of them saying something in the Doc and then their teammates going "no, say that in thread" or whatnot. 

I think talking in thread is a plus for them in general, but I don't think that they're cleared because they "don't know the rules" or something along those lines. 

Anyways none of this truly answers your points so I will-

1) Sure, they're not an officer-they can be crew. there are both Officer and Crew Ghostbloods, so that doesn't mean much. 
2) Having a teammate tell them - There could be no Elims in the Doc at the moment. There could also be one who said "say things like that in thread, it'll look good for you"
3) Having a teammate who could use it - again, yes but still could have someone say "go say things like that in thread, it'll make you look good"

It could also be a cover, saying he can't use it when he's actually an Officer! It could be an offhand comment.

Note that he doesn't say for someone else to get it- He says "Is there someone who can [get treasure]?"

Call me over-analyzing it, and yes they're new, but this is still for one, looking like bait to me, and for two also more self aware than not. If he doesn't know that there are players that can use treasure, why does he know treasure can help? Has he read the rules? 

Again all of this with a grain of salt. Initial read negative on Grubby, but not going to go anywhere with it without more information and more time. They're new. 

ED1T:

@Hoid Slayer

Araris being the IM doesn't mean you can't vote for him!

Also, I mean you're a new player to me, but that doesn't meant much. Still learning people. Just how I wanted to not comment on grubber until later to let them get out, but it doesn't matter much now I suppose. 

Also, the point wasn't to push my suspicion on grub, but I still don't believe that it was a "Derp clear," nor do I believe in derp clears as a whole in most scenarios. There are some small cases where I believe they work, but on a whole as people use them they aren't very real. 

@Mystic

Why is your reaction not to vote me then? I mean, Hoid is talking, I'm talking, but you can't read me? what makes you want to vote Hoid in that situation? 

It feels like you chose a safe place to park your vote for D1. No?

ED2T:

Also the back off was rather quick. You sure he's a Merchant? That fast? 

Edited yesterday at 12:19 AM by Illwei

[Mystic He/Him]

10 minutes ago, Illwei said:

Why is your reaction not to vote me then? I mean, Hoid is talking, I'm talking, but you can't read me? what makes you want to vote Hoid in that situation? 

It feels like you chose a safe place to park your vote for D1. No?

ED2T:

Also the back off was rather quick. You sure he's a Merchant? That fast? 

Poke votes are for reactions. If I can’t read your reaction it’s not very useful to me. I very quickly skimmed the previous page, saw your two names, and picked the one I thought would be more useful.

And fair, but I did take it off, I do intend on voting someone. Not sure who yet though.

And no, I’m not, but I’m never sure C1. In this case I just didn’t see a reason to keep it there. My original plan was to do Hoid, and then once I’d gotten a better handle on the thread switch to someone else. I didn’t really learn much, it’s C1 after all, so I didn’t have anyone to switch to. And I was planning on taking it off anyways, I didn’t see a reason to not do that

[coco.pudding she/they]

45 minutes ago, Illwei said:

Who are all the new players and how long have you been playing?

I probably count in that category so hi I’m Coco, this is my 7th game I believe?

27 minutes ago, Mystic said:

@coco.pudding I’d better be able to trust you this time. Okay? 

I was about to say the same to you lol

17 minutes ago, Mystic said:

If he was Elim he’d (most likely*) have a teammate who’d have coached him better

I wouldn’t call that a guarantee, last game we (the elims) were not coordinating much at all, as you saw with the lack of coaching on many things.

15 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

I do feel bad killing him if he died C1 last game

He didn’t though? Unless he’s talking about his last village game, when he did die at the beginning iirc.

Anyways with all those responses out of the way, I am still rather confused mechanically so I will be going back and reading the rules when I get a chance. 
Initial thoughts looks like we are trying to get items for favor? I’m willing to go for one of those if that’s a thing I can do (again, not totally sure what I can/can’t do based on my role so)

Oh the exe thing as well—I think the exe is one of our best ways of getting info atm, and not voting does essentially put that information in te hands of the elims, so I do think we need to vote. 

[Mystic He/Him]

1 minute ago, coco.pudding said:

I was about to say the same to you lol

When have I not been trustworthy?

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

21 minutes ago, Mystic said:

I saw yours and Illwei’s name come up the most, and idk how to read Illwei yet so… 

Fair, I generally hold off PMing everyone immediately. 

you’re welcome

It was a game where Araris was GM, and it was FFA with the killer changing each night, but you could follow someone as an action, and that person you followed would get told they got followed, so everyone just followed each other and the killer either had to

A. Kill someone and have everyone know it was them

B. Not kill anyone and die because of it

So yeah, it wasn’t fun. 

Ahh ok

21 minutes ago, Illwei said:

Also, I mean you're a new player to me, but that doesn't meant much

Huh

I think this is game 10-11 (maybe 12? around there) for me so I consider myself decently experienced

3 minutes ago, coco.pudding said:

I probably count in that category so hi I’m Coco, this is my 7th game I believe?

Dayum

That is hard to digest

I have lowkey been gone for like four months

But still

[coco.pudding she/they]

2 minutes ago, Mystic said:

When have I not been trustworthy?

There’s a first time for everything

1 minute ago, Hoid Slayer said:

Dayum

That is hard to digest

I have lowkey been gone for like four months

But still

My first one was your singer conversion game where Doc won by pocketing all the new players (me included)

[Qianweilian He/him]

5 minutes ago, coco.pudding said:

He didn’t though? Unless he’s talking about his last village game, when he did die at the beginning iirc.

You're correct, I am talking about my last village game (other than this one), the skyward one.

[Ascended Grubberfly He/Him]

29 minutes ago, Illwei said:

Can you elaborate on what you consider to be a derp clear on grub? ...grubby? fly? Gru?

19 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

Let’s stick with Grub

Maybe Grubber

@Ascended Grubberfly any preference?

Grub is preferable. 

12 minutes ago, Illwei said:

Call me over-analyzing it, and yes they're new, but this is still for one, looking like bait to me, and for two also more self aware than not. If he doesn't know that there are players that can use treasure, why does he know treasure can help? Has he read the rules? 

Again all of this with a grain of salt. Initial read negative on Grubby, but not going to go anywhere with it without more information and more time. They're new. 

I read the rules. Officers can use keys to get treasure to immediately get Favor. Upon rereading something, there is a Bonus Action for using a pre written boast, but boasts are an item so @Archer just to clarify you need a Boast to use that Bonus Action? Cause if someone could just use a Boast that wouldn't be very balanced and I may be reading that wrong.

 

59 minutes ago, Illwei said:

So Grub- if you were to abstain as a protest of voting someone out completely, you are saying a couple of things with that action (intended or not): 

1) It matters not to you who does die, in a pool of 13. 
 - This is pretty self-explanatory, since in a game like this voting is one of the only ways you have to solidly communicate and take action. Sure there are other actions, but eh. 
2) You think other people can make better decisions than you. Someone is going do die regardless. 
 - Regardless of your assumptions or feelings, if you are a Merchant, then in your eyes there is only one confirmed Merchant - Yourself. 
 - You not voting means that the vote is comprised of only those who you do not know the alignment of for certain. 
 - Therefore not voting implies that you are okay with the Ghostbloods being the deciding voice in the Exe. 

Okay, that makes sense. Just not used to SE rules, and with this format I was wondering if a kill is worth the cost. Another question, If we all abstain does that randomly kill? 

19 minutes ago, Illwei said:

But my first interpretation of all of their posts is pretty much expected from a new Elim. I'm of course not set in it, but asking how they did reminds me more of them saying something in the Doc and then their teammates going "no, say that in thread" or whatnot. 

Clearly I just sound inexperienced. That's embarrassing since I have a little experience with Mafia esque games. Either way, we should probably do something about the Favor thing.

And on a small lead, Hoid Slayer, why did you support my abstain idea when its seen as not ideal?

[Mystic He/Him]

3 minutes ago, Ascended Grubberfly said:

Clearly I just sound inexperienced. That's embarrassing since I have a little experience with Mafia esque games. Either way, we should probably do something about the Favor thing.

Made me think of a in person game I played recently. I was Lurcher, and after the first round I went three for three with protects(we also got all three Elims out by C4) but I will never get as lucky as I did that game with that

[Mint11 she/her]

4 hours ago, Ascended Grubberfly said:

But if we exe a villager, that loses us voting power and puts Ghostbloods closer to a win.

I do acknowledge the point, and if we can find a reasonable target I’ll vote, but will probably abstain otherwise.

we definitely need to kill someone. if we only ex someone when we're confident they're a ghostblood, that means we don't get much information this cycle. if we don't get much information, we won't be able to work out who's a ghostblood. it'll just be a never ending cycle. the lynch gives us too much information for us to give it up

3 hours ago, The Unknown Character said:

Everyone saying not to coordinate is crazy to me. Sure, we probably don't this turn (if you're a Officer, you should probably go for a key and use the Treasure option), but why we would leave our lose condition up to fate? 

calculation for enmity is 1 + # exed Merchants - # exed Ghostbloods, so we can reasonably assume that the enmity for this cycle will be 1+1-0 = 2

we need at least two favor to counteract that, so yeah, I'd agree with using treasure if you can. as for coordination, there's a risk of elims strategizing the kill or the use of a painrial to get people to lose items, if they know who has what or who can do what. coordination via PMs can probably give us some fun mind games chaos though

48 minutes ago, Mystic said:

@coco.pudding I’d better be able to trust you this time. Okay? 

famous last words...

 

@Stardust noticed you haven't chimed in yet. what are your thoughts on action coordination for the village?

 

also hi @Illwei I think I've seen you around before? but I don't think we've played together? it's been a long time though, so I may have forgotten. but I'm not a new player, just a returning one

[Qianweilian He/him]

3 minutes ago, Ascended Grubberfly said:

Clearly I just sound inexperienced. That's embarrassing since I have a little experience with Mafia esque games.

I know the feeling. SE is cutthroat. I've seen elims intentionally skip kills to implicate inactive players.

So, I've reread the rules and I have some thoughts. I think exes are worth it, as although the penalty for getting it wrong is higher, our win con is unchanged from traditional.

The interesting thing is though, I'm not certain if nks are worth it for the elims. While it does increase their voting power, they don't win by killing merchants. While an exe will probably still happen most cycles, I wouldn't be surprised if it fell to the wayside in favor of other actions at some point. @Archer, what if the third rebuke is given and the final Ghostblood is exed in the same cycle? Tie?

We have a lot of possibilities for analysis with the favor/item mechanics, so I do think we should be rather open with the actions we are going to take, especially requesting items. I personally am probably going to request a boast from the hold. 

[Archer he/him]

Vote Count (Please correct me if I'm wrong)

Qian (1): Hoid

Illwei (1): Wahr

TJ (1): Hopper

Hoid (1): Grub

TUC (1): Illwei 

17 minutes ago, Ascended Grubberfly said:

I read the rules. Officers can use keys to get treasure to immediately get Favor. Upon rereading something, there is a Bonus Action for using a pre written boast, but boasts are an item so @Archer just to clarify you need a Boast to use that Bonus Action? Cause if someone could just use a Boast that wouldn't be very balanced and I may be reading that wrong.

Pre-written Boasts can be activated as a Bonus Action if your Action is anything other than using an Item. That's the only Item that uses a Bonus Action slot. 

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@Archer, what if the third rebuke is given and the final Ghostblood is exed in the same cycle? Tie?

In that scenario, the Ghostbloods and Merchants both win. 

[Ascended Grubberfly He/Him]

4 minutes ago, Qianweilian said:

We have a lot of possibilities for analysis with the favor/item mechanics, so I do think we should be rather open with the actions we are going to take, especially requesting items. I personally am probably going to request a boast from the hold. 

I think the request is an action that is done through the GM PM. And hiding our requests can make it harder for elims to get the Shardblade, which is has enmity implications.

 

7 minutes ago, Qianweilian said:

The interesting thing is though, I'm not certain if nks are worth it for the elims

But it raises enmity, making it easier to cause a Rebuke. 

 

3 minutes ago, Archer said:

Pre-written Boasts can be activated as a Bonus Action if your Action is anything other than using an Item. That's the only Item that uses a Bonus Action slot. 

Thanks!

[Illwei]

@Hoid Slayer

Just as I am a new player to you, you are a new player to me. 

Seems the only actually new player is grub tho.

@Ascended Grubberfly

You haven't played BOTC before, have you? 

Anyways the tonal change is noted. 

Also according to the rules, the rebuke isn't affected by the factional, only by the exe. It's still in the Elim's favor always to use their kill though. Their direct wincon is not eliminating the Merchants, but that doesn't mean that Eliminating the Merchants is not part of their wincon, if you catch my drift. Less people to vote them out, less people to talk bad about them, less people to use Favorable Items or Abilities to keep the rebuke from happening. 

Sure if they don't kill anyone they could still win, but that doesn't mean it's not easier to win with more people dead. Especially if those who remain are more on the inactive side. 

Speaking of inactives where's @|TJ|
 

@Mint11

I actually went to look through your history when I signed up because I thought you sounded familiar to me haha. I think you stopped playing around when I started, since I was most active 2020/2021. My first game was LG69, which seemed to be one of your last around there. 

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

46 minutes ago, Ascended Grubberfly said:

And on a small lead, Hoid Slayer, why did you support my abstain idea when its seen as not ideal?

Uhh cause like you I didn’t realize it wasn’t ideal

I wasn’t aware of the rule Illwei referenced either

Tie rules vary from game to game

40 minutes ago, Mint11 said:

we definitely need to kill someone. if we only ex someone when we're confident they're a ghostblood, that means we don't get much information this cycle. if we don't get much information, we won't be able to work out who's a ghostblood. it'll just be a never ending cycle. the lynch gives us too much information for us to give it up

I believe voting on someone you even slightly think is evil is always preferable to leaving it up to chance

41 minutes ago, Mint11 said:

also hi @Illwei I think I've seen you around before? but I don't think we've played together? it's been a long time though, so I may have forgotten. but I'm not a new player, just a returning one

I have the same position on Illwei

17 minutes ago, Ascended Grubberfly said:

I think the request is an action that is done through the GM PM. And hiding our requests can make it harder for elims to get the Shardblade, which is has enmity implications.

Everything is done through GM PMs

30 minutes ago, Qianweilian said:

I've seen elims intentionally skip kills to implicate inactive players.

Referencing something with “I’ve seen” when it happened like a week ago is crazy

31 minutes ago, Qianweilian said:

The interesting thing is though, I'm not certain if nks are worth it for the elims. While it does increase their voting power, they don't win by killing merchants. While an exe will probably still happen most cycles, I wouldn't be surprised if it fell to the wayside in favor of other actions at some point.

Actually a really good point I hadn’t thought of

No NKs also allow the elims to hide more easily

3 minutes ago, Illwei said:

Just as I am a new player to you, you are a new player to me. 

The only thing I think of when I think of you is the Tar Valon game I read the final cycle of as I was waiting for my first game to start

You were evil there, I believe 

4 minutes ago, Illwei said:

I actually went to look through your history when I signed up because I thought you sounded familiar to me haha. I think you stopped playing around when I started, since I was most active 2020/2021. My first game was LG69, which seemed to be one of your last around there. 

Wait @Mint11 how veteran are you?