Mid-Range Game 77: Traders & Traitors

[The Unknown Character he/him]

2 hours ago, Mint11 said:

alright I'm pretty sick right now so can't really think as deeply as It'd like to on this

I came on to at least get my vote in by the end of the cycle. was going to go for TUC

however. I protected hoid from the kill last cycle. the elims know that a villager protected hoid, because they know that they tried to kill him (I don't buy that they didn't submit an NK, it'd be crazy not to). I don't know why e!TUC would lie about blocking grub when he knows a villager claiming protect would make his point moot

you know what, TUC. maybe he's trying to buy time and get an extra village lynch in, or maybe the elims were hoping that if no one had come forward this late in the cycle, whoever saved hoid wouldn't speak up

If you don't know why I would lie, maybe it's because I'm telling the truth

Your protect is an explanation though. Considering it's the best lead we have though, I'm keeping my vote on Grub

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

Guys did we all just forget the Coder / TUC / Illwei scandal? Hello???

3 hours ago, Mint11 said:

v!TUC could have blocked grub. my confusion was more around why an e!TUC would block grub (or claim to) when he knows a villager used an action to stop the NK and can contradict him

It’s really not that complicated

There are two elims left

One elim (let’s call them Kira) submitted the NK on me, hoping no one would protect me. The other elim (TUC) used a key to block Grub’s action in the hopes that if someone did try to protect me, it was Grub.

There is LOADS of reason for e!TUC to roleblock a villager, and then claim it (which is, indeed, seeming to give him village cred though I cannot fathom why).

What I see is an elim TUC who knows he’s getting exed this cycle or the next and is pulling all the stops to get a villager misexed before that

C’mon people

[Mint11 she/her]

3 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

Guys did we all just forget the Coder / TUC / Illwei scandal? Hello???

It’s really not that complicated

There are two elims left

One elim (let’s call them Kira) submitted the NK on me, hoping no one would protect me. The other elim (TUC) used a key to block Grub’s action in the hopes that if someone did try to protect me, it was Grub.

There is LOADS of reason for e!TUC to roleblock a villager, and then claim it (which is, indeed, seeming to give him village cred though I cannot fathom why).

What I see is an elim TUC who knows he’s getting exed this cycle or the next and is pulling all the stops to get a villager misexed before that

C’mon people

yeah good points

@Ascended Grubberfly @Stardust@Through the Living Hopper would any of you be willing to vote on TUC? I'm worried about elims manipulating votes with the VC so close

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

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Alright, some other things

14 hours ago, coco.pudding said:

I can (finally) give favor this cycle.

I think the next most likely elim is probably TUC? That whole thing with Coder and Illwei looks pretty bad now that we know Coder was elim.

I also think we can clear Hoid pretty solidly. Unless he was hard bussing for some reason (which really doesn’t make sense atp in the game) he just outed an elim and that clears him in my eyes. 

I’m liking Coco, especially if Coco saved me last cycle, Coco good

Grub also good

Mint good

4 hours ago, Stardust said:

 

Well, I guess now I actually do have the time to respond to this. 

Well I'm not exactly sure what to say, honestly.

Coder's response was super suspicious, and that's why I voted him last cycle. To be honest, something felt off about that whole conversation with Hoid and Coder, but considering that Coder was Elim I'm going to ignore that for now. 

Based on what we are discussing right now (the idea that the elims didn't NK anyone because it just narrows down the pool for us to find them) I find Grub's statement in C1 suspicious. Obviously I can't read too much into it, but I think that it is something of note. 

I haven't really got a read on Mint yet... I'm currently reading the Cycles again to check. 
Coco, I have a slight e! lean, but nothing difinitive. 

TJ and hopper have both been largely inactive, like myself, so I haven't really gotten anything on them. 

TUC I feel like is more of a village lean, but something feels off, and I can't quite say what. 

Sorry guys, that's all I really have right now. 

If anyone has any questions for me, I will answer any and all, I do not care. Feel free to ask away! 

 

I don’t love Star’s wobblyness, I thought we all had the TUC talk last cycle and I can understand falling for e!Grub but saying of TUC “village lean, but something feels off, and I can’t quite say what” seriously???

4 hours ago, Ascended Grubberfly said:

I can give Favor today, and I say TUC is clear. He actually spent a key, which is not something I think an elim would do, especially since there is Backbreaker Poison expertise somewhere. This is why I think we have inactive elims, because TUC’s poison hit me and there was no nk.

Hoid and TUC we should trust.

Mint and coco I think are villiage because of the nk thing. This is NOT a read based solely on activity, we have the missed nk here as well.

Hopper, Star, and TJ are all inactive and could have missed the nk.

Again, I explained above why an elim would 100% use a key here

2 hours ago, Ascended Grubberfly said:

Correct. I got a message that I was affected by backbreaker poison despite not having an action. Just as a halfshard can be used if the target won't be killed, poison can be used on anyone despite action status.

Okay wait pause

Something does feel fishy about this

@Archer can you just come in and clarify a rule real quick

Is someone notified when they are roleblocked, and if so, are they notified even if they didn’t take an action to block?

Wait nvm Archer ignore me

Or actually Archer answer at your discretion

[The Unknown Character he/him]

11 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

Guys did we all just forget the Coder / TUC / Illwei scandal? Hello???

Dude, that was in no way a guarantee of me being an elim

All of the weirdness in the description was with Coder according to Illwei. We had pretty much cleared it up before Illwei died too, like, it will be insane if I'm exed literally only because I answered an elim's question in a PM

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

4 hours ago, |TJ| said:

What's the logic behind this? Can't the elims block the ones claiming to give favor? (sorry, poor on mech because of how less active I've been)

Bonus actions can’t be blocked

And on that note, @The Unknown Character, @coco.pudding, @Ascended Grubberfly, can you all confirm you will give Favour this turn?

[Ascended Grubberfly He/Him]

11 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

Bonus actions can’t be blocked

And on that note, @The Unknown Character, @coco.pudding, @Ascended Grubberfly, can you all confirm you will give Favour this turn?

I can confirm I am providing favor.

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

Just now, Ascended Grubberfly said:

I can confirm I am providing favor.

Thank you

39 minutes ago, The Unknown Character said:

Dude, that was in no way a guarantee of me being an elim

All of the weirdness in the description was with Coder according to Illwei. We had pretty much cleared it up before Illwei died too, like, it will be insane if I'm exed literally only because I answered an elim's question in a PM

Dude, I know that

But I do think it’s enough to make you the primary suspect over everyone else, and the main point of what I said was that nothing you’ve said this cycle should be used to give you any village cred

[coco.pudding she/they]

44 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

Bonus actions can’t be blocked

And on that note, @The Unknown Character, @coco.pudding, @Ascended Grubberfly, can you all confirm you will give Favour this turn?

Yes, I will give favor this turn 

[Mint11 she/her]

48 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

Is someone notified when they are roleblocked, and if so, are they notified even if they didn’t take an action to block?

based on my read of the rules, I don't see why they wouldn't be. it's not that they're getting notified "your specific action didn't take effect". its that the blocker's action pretty much sends the message "I blocked you"

46 minutes ago, The Unknown Character said:

We had pretty much cleared it up before Illwei died too, like, it will be insane if I'm exed literally only because I answered an elim's question in a PM

it wasn't cleared up though. illwei dropped it in favor of focusing on other things, but you never responded to their last in-thread message about it

[Archer he/him]

50 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

 

@Archer can you just come in and clarify a rule real quick

Is someone notified when they are roleblocked, and if so, are they notified even if they didn’t take an action to block?

Mint is correct that if information is provided in this game, it's explicitly mentioned in the rules. Regardless of effectiveness, without Expertise, using Backbreaker Poison on someone informs them they've been targeted with poison. Someone who didn't take an Action would still be informed. 

Votes

TUC (3): Hoid, Mint, Coco

Grub (2): TJ, TUC

TJ (1): Grub

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

6 minutes ago, coco.pudding said:

Yes, I will give favor this turn 

Thank you

6 minutes ago, Mint11 said:

based on my read of the rules, I don't see why they wouldn't be. it's not that they're getting notified "your specific action didn't take effect". its that the blocker's action pretty much sends the message "I blocked you"

Yeah I had forgotten a piece of the rules don’t mind me

Just now, Archer said:

Mint is correct that if information is provided in this game, it's explicitly mentioned in the rules. Regardless of effectiveness, without Expertise, using Backbreaker Poison on someone informs them they've been targeted with poison. Someone who didn't take an Action would still be informed. 

Votes

TUC (3): Hoid, Mint, Coco

Grub (2): TJ, TUC

TJ (1): Grub

Archer I love you

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

Wheeereeee iiiisssss everyoneeeeee

3 hours ago, Archer said:

Mint is correct that if information is provided in this game, it's explicitly mentioned in the rules. Regardless of effectiveness, without Expertise, using Backbreaker Poison on someone informs them they've been targeted with poison. Someone who didn't take an Action would still be informed. 

Votes

TUC (3): Hoid, Mint, Coco

Grub (2): TJ, TUC

TJ (1): Grub

There’s seven of us six have voted @Through the Living Hopper get in here and cast a vote

[Archer he/him]

We're over halfway through the cycle! Still plenty of time to submit actions, vote, and RP boasts to protect the island. 

(I'm writing this so Hoid doesn't have to triple post again.)

[Stardust She/Her]

1 hour ago, Hoid Slayer said:

Wheeereeee iiiisssss everyoneeeeee

There’s seven of us six have voted @Through the Living Hopper get in here and cast a vote

Uh, excuse me, I'm here too. 

5 hours ago, Hoid Slayer said:

I don’t love Star’s wobblyness, I thought we all had the TUC talk last cycle and I can understand falling for e!Grub but saying of TUC “village lean, but something feels off, and I can’t quite say what” seriously???

I haven't actually read last cycle yet. I've made it through cycles 1 and 2. 

What is the argument against TUC? 

[coco.pudding she/they]

1 hour ago, Stardust said:

What is the argument against TUC? 

In cycle two he and Illwei had a conversation about Coder in which it came out that TUC and Coder had been discussing Illwei being a returning player. This was assumed to be a slip where Coder was talking about a conversation that happened in the elim doc, since that’s not really something that would come up naturally in a pm. So that already didn’t look great but with Coder having flipped elim…it looks pretty bad. 

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

8 hours ago, Stardust said:

Uh, excuse me, I'm here too. 

I haven't actually read last cycle yet. I've made it through cycles 1 and 2. 

What is the argument against TUC? 

Pretty much what Coco said

Also don’t love his vibe this cycle

8 hours ago, Archer said:

We're over halfway through the cycle! Still plenty of time to submit actions, vote, and RP boasts to protect the island. 

(I'm writing this so Hoid doesn't have to triple post again.)

Thanks

I know we’re supposed to edit our past posts but I have qualms with that cause I’m always scared that if I edit it someone will have read my first one already and then skip the edit

I also sometimes post intending to post again in less than 15 minutes and then just don’t make it

…

Everyone who’s promised to give Favour, please do so using your bonus action

Also everyone, I would like to exe TUC here with a larger vote margin to prevent vote manip, that is in y’all’s hands

Again, louder for those in the back, that Shardblade is mine

[Mint11 she/her]

41 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

Again, louder for those in the back, that Shardblade is mine

I do think its in our interest to have more than one villager go after the shardblade, because the elims will certainly want it also lol

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

2 minutes ago, Mint11 said:

I do think its in our interest to have more than one villager go after the shardblade, because the elims will certainly want it also lol

If more than one person goes after a Shardblade, no one gets it, period

Please no other villagers risk your lives on this

[Mint11 she/her]

3 hours ago, Hoid Slayer said:

If more than one person goes after a Shardblade, no one gets it, period

Please no other villagers risk your lives on this

okay yeah, ignore me. I forgot about that rule

[Stardust She/Her]

11 hours ago, coco.pudding said:

In cycle two he and Illwei had a conversation about Coder in which it came out that TUC and Coder had been discussing Illwei being a returning player. This was assumed to be a slip where Coder was talking about a conversation that happened in the elim doc, since that’s not really something that would come up naturally in a pm. So that already didn’t look great but with Coder having flipped elim…it looks pretty bad. 

Ohhhhh I see

That does seem really suspicous

Yeah, I'm up for at TUC exe today

TUC

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

18 minutes ago, Stardust said:

Ohhhhh I see

That does seem really suspicous

Yeah, I'm up for at TUC exe today

TUC

Thank you

[Ascended Grubberfly He/Him]

Guys I really think a TUC exe isn’t the best thing.

If you want a different train, I don’t like how TJ jumped on me when I tried to clear TUC.

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

Just now, Ascended Grubberfly said:

 

Guys I really think a TUC exe isn’t the best thing.

 

Why not?

[|TJ| he/him]

Cycle 1 -> 

A strong point to note is that Grub's first vote was on Hoid was NOT a poke-vote. HOWEVER, Grub's 2nd vote (which was on Coder) WAS a poke-vote. Usually, people who poke-vote continue to do so, and people who vote with reason almost always never pivot to poke-votes, which is why I think this poke was a e/e interaction. 

This only grows stronger, because they move BACK to voting on suspicion for their 3rd vote which was on TUC. 

Now they mentioned "Coder was busy" when they shifted to TUC, when Coder did not mention anything of the sort, but they claimed that it was a 'ninja' and they didn't edit the post afterwards. 

Quote

"Grub called Qian active and you inactive when you had more posts than him.

I think that's just Grub messing up, and I don't like that a real e!read is forming on someone because grub said something not really correct about you and someone else.

I don't understand how your thought process went "Newbie messed up" too "So newbie and person the newbie was talking about must be elim"" - Coder

When an elim speaks so little, it is quite important to see what they choose to focus on, so this defence of Grub reads very weird from a not-so-active-seeming Coder. And this is quite a strong defence of someone this early into the game. Especially when either player had nothing to do with Coder. Further makes me lean e!Grub. Would also mention that this was in response to Myst, who ended up being the C1 night-kill. 

Cycle 2 -> 

Grub does item analysis. Inherently, I find this suspicious because this is the exact same thing I did to get village-read when I was getting some suspicion in the previous iteration of the game in which I was evil  (LG83)

Okay, so I've seen the possible e-slip comment from Illwei - she says it does not conflict with the story, but does not fit right how she wants it to ; fair. 

Cycle 3 ->

This post from Mint feels like they're setting up MLs on me and TUC. If TUC is village, I one-hundred-percent expect an elim to piggyback onto illwei's suspicion about the suspected e-slip and Mint would be my first choice. 

@Hoid Slayer, @coco.pudding @Stardust

There are quite a bit of connections between Coder and Grub. There are NO in-thread connections between TUC and Coder.

The ONLY reasoning for TUC is given as the weirdness given by illwei in which the accounts actually tallied but it just didn't feel right which was STILL Illwei's personal opinion. 

ed1t: 

15 minutes ago, Ascended Grubberfly said:

Guys I really think a TUC exe isn’t the best thing.

If you want a different train, I don’t like how TJ jumped on me when I tried to clear TUC.

yeah, this seems to be an elim wanting to get ahead of v!TUC / wanting to be on a different train from a teammate. 

if you feel that way about TUC, why are you suspecting me who feels the same way about them? do you want to vote mint with me?

Edited Thursday at 05:59 PM by |TJ|