LG112 - Metacycle One: Didn't We Do This Already?

[coco.pudding she/they]

6 minutes ago, Myst said:

But, if your argument revolves around saying that “if he lied though, then he’s Elim” when you don’t know he lied… that’s not really a good argument.

I’m taking it in the context of “a coinshot killed a pseudo elim and we think the meta elims want village to win and Coder is a coinshot” rather than just in a vacuum.

So without all the other stuff, no it’s not a good argument. But for now it’s the best we have. Unless there’s another coinshot who’s the one who killed Xino and they want to come forward and disprove all this.

[Araris Valerian he/him]

28 minutes ago, Myst said:

My main problem with exing Coder is basically that we’ve already exed them in one game, doing both back to back d1 seems really mean.

As I said, I would be fine exing him in a future cycle, just not these first two, I’d like to give him time to defend himself, and figure out what in the world is going on.

I plan on doing the same thing to the people we exe Psuedo day 2, giving them till D3, and after that I figure they’ve had enough time and I’m fine with exing someone in the pseudo game and then again in the meta game right after.

Id like to avoid it for now

As for your actual argument, just one question, but other than that it’s convincing. I do not like the idea of exing him right after exing him in the pseudo game.

Why Coder and not Xino? The only difference between the two is that Coder could’ve killed Xino and Xino couldn’t have killed Coder and their pseudo game alingments.

I think that’s all I have for now. I do not like the idea of voting Coder. If there is another viable train that happens in the next 20 hours I will switch my vote.

However: Coder

If you don’t want to exe Coder, why are you voting for him?

[Myst He/Him]

10 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

If you don’t want to exe Coder, why are you voting for him?

So that we have an exe? We need at least 3 votes in order to exe someone. And exing someone is preferable to exing no one right now.

As I said, if there is an alternative train to Coder I will join that instead. But since you are voting me instead of Coder, that means for now I have to jump in to make it viable.

My reasons for not wanting to vote Coder are that I don’t want to exe the same person twice back to back this early. Considering you don’t seem to agree with that, my only other option is to attack the argument itself

11 minutes ago, coco.pudding said:

I’m taking it in the context of “a coinshot killed a pseudo elim and we think the meta elims want village to win and Coder is a coinshot” rather than just in a vacuum.

So without all the other stuff, no it’s not a good argument. But for now it’s the best we have. Unless there’s another coinshot who’s the one who killed Xino and they want to come forward and disprove all this.

Unfortunately I can’t argue with “the best we have”. It’s either that or a shot in the dark(I’m sure Araris would be fine exeing me though)

Edit: unironically, I think I might be fine with that

Edited May 30 by Myst

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

18 minutes ago, Myst said:

If I wanted to I could just ask Xino

(if he replies, I’ve already asked him if he told anyone he was a coinshot, including in Elim doc, as that would narrow down the suspects and he hasn’t gotten back to me)

I actually like that idea

(The asking Xino if he told anyone he was a Coinshot, not the asking him if I'm elim)

I'd actually prefer to do it publicly, here

@xinoehp512 did anyone know you were a Coinshot?

If no one did, I'm assuming the meta-elims had someone within the elim team

[Myst He/Him]

Okay.

After checking the rules and doing some stuff in my GM PM. I have decided that it is in my best interests to get voted out in the Meta-game.

Also side effect of making yall not vote Coder. 

Why you ask? Because then I can do all sorts of super shady stuff in the pseudo game and it’ll be fun because I’ll be confirmed Village so you can’t vote me out for it. And then if I get NKed it confirms a Meta Elim coinshot or Elim. 

Coder

Myst

C’mon yall we’re 2/3 there already 

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

1 minute ago, Myst said:

Okay.

After checking the rules and doing some stuff in my GM PM. I have decided that it is in my best interests to get voted out in the Meta-game.

Also side effect of making yall not vote Coder. 

Why you ask? Because then I can do all sorts of super shady stuff in the pseudo game and it’ll be fun because I’ll be confirmed Village so you can’t vote me out for it. And then if I get NKed it confirms a Meta Elim coinshot or Elim. 

Coder

Myst

C’mon yall we’re 2/3 there already 

Waitup no I don’t like this

I don’t care if you wanna confirm yourself as village I don’t think that selfish desire merits squandering a potentially useful exe

[Myst He/Him]

5 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

Waitup no I don’t like this

I don’t care if you wanna confirm yourself as village I don’t think that selfish desire merits squandering a potentially useful exe

From my pov it’s just a who you want to confirm as village, Coder or I?

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

12 minutes ago, Myst said:

From my pov it’s just a who you want to confirm as village, Coder or I?

Exeing isn't just about confirming as village; if it were, we would just pick our exes at random, and the elims would win

I don't believe you're elim, especially with whatever this is, and I don't want you dead

Wanting to get exed as a villager is not only selfish, it's also foolish - you're giving away your voting power when we might need it

[Myst He/Him]

2 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

Exeing isn't just about confirming as village; if it were, we would just pick our exes at random, and the elims would win

I don't believe you're elim, especially with whatever this is, and I don't want you dead

Wanting to get exed as a villager is not only selfish, it's also foolish - you're giving away your voting power when we might need it

lol fair, I just have some really fun things I want to do 

Coder Myst

back to normal we go

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

9 minutes ago, Myst said:

lol fair, I just have some really fun things I want to do 

Ngl, just go ahead and do them anyway

[Myst He/Him]

Just now, Hoid Slayer said:

Ngl, just go ahead and do them anyway

I’m gonna get exed for that you know

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

1 minute ago, Myst said:

I’m gonna get exed for that you know

Not by me 

And I'd rather you get exed for something you did instead of getting exed anyways for something you would do

[Myst He/Him]

1 minute ago, Hoid Slayer said:

Not by me 

And I'd rather you get exed for something you did instead of getting exed anyways for something you would do

Thanks 

I’ll… consider it

[Araris Valerian he/him]

1 hour ago, Myst said:

So that we have an exe? We need at least 3 votes in order to exe someone. And exing someone is preferable to exing no one right now.

As I said, if there is an alternative train to Coder I will join that instead. But since you are voting me instead of Coder, that means for now I have to jump in to make it viable.

But if everyone uses this reasoning, then there will never be a second viable train. Not to mention that there is quite a bit of time left in the cycle, so worrying about which trains will eventually become large enough to pass seems rather premature.

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

1 minute ago, Araris Valerian said:

But if everyone uses this reasoning, then there will never be a second viable train. Not to mention that there is quite a bit of time left in the cycle, so worrying about which trains will eventually become large enough to pass seems rather premature.

That's true

I'm a little concerned by the lack of votes and trains flying around both in the first pseudo-game cycle and this one

[Myst He/Him]

7 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

But if everyone uses this reasoning, then there will never be a second viable train. Not to mention that there is quite a bit of time left in the cycle, so worrying about which trains will eventually become large enough to pass seems rather premature.

I’m the only one using this reasoning though? That’s only a problem if other people do it as well. And right now I’d settle for everyone else to pop in and leave a vote, regardless of who or why

[Araris Valerian he/him]

3 minutes ago, Myst said:

I’m the only one using this reasoning though? That’s only a problem if other people do it as well. And right now I’d settle for everyone else to pop in and leave a vote, regardless of who or why

But if they read your posts and agree, then when they pop in they'll just vote on Coder, since there are no other "viable trains", as you put it.

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

7 minutes ago, Myst said:

I’m the only one using this reasoning though? That’s only a problem if other people do it as well. And right now I’d settle for everyone else to pop in and leave a vote, regardless of who or why

Just now, Araris Valerian said:

But if they read your posts and agree, then when they pop in they'll just vote on Coder, since there are no other "viable trains", as you put it.

Guys I think we just gotta wait for other people to pop up in the first place

Which, yk, none of them are doing

On another note

[coco.pudding she/they]

1 minute ago, Hoid Slayer said:

Guys I think we just gotta wait for other people to pop up in the first place

Which, yk, none of them are doing

That seems to be quite the issue this game

[Myst He/Him]

Gimme a sec, I’ll go bug Fallen, can’t do much about anyone else though 

[Araris Valerian he/him]

Hmm, if nobody’s here, that means the four of us can exe whomever we want, right? If we can’t all agree on Coder, any other thoughts? Qian rubbed me the wrong way during the pseudocycle, so I’d be down to vote for him, but I’m open to other suggestions.

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

4 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

Hmm, if nobody’s here, that means the four of us can exe whomever we want, right? If we can’t all agree on Coder, any other thoughts? Qian rubbed me the wrong way during the pseudocycle, so I’d be down to vote for him, but I’m open to other suggestions.

Anything in particular he said that makes you suspect him?

[StrikerEZ he/him]

Yeah, why Qian? Also sorry I’ve been a bit absent this cycle.

I think I would be down for an exe of any of these options: Coder, Myst, Hoid, or coco. I have things I feel about each of them that would be nice to get confirmed.

[Myst He/Him]

4 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

Hmm, if nobody’s here, that means the four of us can exe whomever we want, right? If we can’t all agree on Coder, any other thoughts? Qian rubbed me the wrong way during the pseudocycle, so I’d be down to vote for him, but I’m open to other suggestions.

I would be fine with that actually. I’m looking at the vote spreadsheet/psuedo d1 thread and I’m not liking how he kind of just echoes Striker

His first two votes are just a repeat of strikers(striker did his first I checked)

[StrikerEZ he/him]

Oh huh. I hadn’t noticed that. Hmm. Interesting.