Mystic He/Him Posted March 19 Posted March 19 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Haelbarde said: Do you disagree that the only elim candidates living during L3D3 who could have collaborated with me by them having the Captain's Mask are Doc and Stick? Do you disagree that Stick could not have had the Captain's Mask as I was still able to communicate with the dead during L3N3? Do you disagree then that if I had the Keaton Mask that I could only do so if Doc was the other eliminator and had the Captain's Mask? Yep. To the first one No to the second, I don’t know that. Never during N3C do you mention anything from the dead doc. Until someone else(Drake, Ash, etc) says you were active in the dead doc that night, I have no reason to believe you were And, since I don’t buy your second line, I can’t agree with the third. Edited March 19 by Mistfallen Soldier
Ashbringer he/him Posted March 19 Posted March 19 5 minutes ago, Mistfallen Soldier said: Until someone else(Drake, Ash, etc) says you were active in the dead doc that night, I have no reason to believe you were Believe him
Mystic He/Him Posted March 19 Posted March 19 4 minutes ago, Ashbringer said: Believe him So Hael and Stick did say stuff during N3C Alright then. In that case yes, either you or Doc had to have the Captains mask, and if you had it Doc had Keaton(a very weird choice of mask) which means he’s Elim, or he had Captain and you’re both Elim. 1
Wonko the Sane he/him Posted March 19 Posted March 19 Geez, a lot happened today, huh. I still need to read like 4 pages of backlog. but my most important thing that no one seems to be aware of is this: @Mistfallen Soldier, it is impossible to buy two masks. The rules imply that it can be done, but I confirmed early in the game that Aman had changed that part of the rules; during my calculations about the Fierce Deity Mask. He confirmed that it was 100% impossible to own both the Bunny Hood and the Postman's Hat, because once you got a mask you were disqualified from buying another. That means Keaton HAD to be in your possession, or Doc's. No one else could possibly have had it.
Doc12 Posted March 19 Posted March 19 (edited) I'm apparently a very hot topic of discussion. Everyone's trying to count my rupees and discuss what I could or could not have done. I don't have the brain to go through everything, so just storming exe me and I can chill in the dead doc or something. I've already done my job and given you guys an elim. I know I'm village, but you guys just need to exe 2 elims. I'm sure you guys can manage to exe another elim. Whatever. It'll be nice to be in dead doc. Edited March 19 by Doc12
Mystic He/Him Posted March 19 Posted March 19 2 minutes ago, Wonko the Sane said: Geez, a lot happened today, huh. I still need to read like 4 pages of backlog. but my most important thing that no one seems to be aware of is this: @Mistfallen Soldier, it is impossible to buy two masks. The rules imply that it can be done, but I confirmed early in the game that Aman had changed that part of the rules; during my calculations about the Fierce Deity Mask. He confirmed that it was 100% impossible to own both the Bunny Hood and the Postman's Hat, because once you got a mask you were disqualified from buying another. That means Keaton HAD to be in your possession, or Doc's. No one else could possibly have had it. We were factoring that in, no one even had the rupees to buy both masks anyways(except for doc) 2 minutes ago, Doc12 said: I'm apparently a very hot topic of discussion. Everyone's trying to count my rupees and discuss what I could or could not have done. I don't have the brain to go through everything, so just storming exe me and I can chill in the dead doc or something. I've already done my job and given you guys an elim. I know I'm village, but you guys just need to exe 2 elims. I'm sure you guys can manage to exe another elim. Whatever. It'll be nice to be in dead doc. Actually we need 3
TwinStorm He/Him Posted March 19 Posted March 19 I don't really understand whats going on, but it seems advantageous for the village to execute somebody decisively Stick.
Amanuensis he/him Posted March 19 Author Posted March 19 Players will be executed and flipped upon reaching 10 votes. (9/10) Stick: Mistfallen, coco, Drake, Divergent, Araris, Archer, TJ, Hael, Twin, (2/10) Hael: Doc, Stick, (1/10) Doc: Wahrheit,
Wonko the Sane he/him Posted March 19 Posted March 19 Okay, I'm caught up. Oddly enough, I'm currently more convinced of Doc than Stick. Keaton math pretty much proves that Doc had the mask, unless we're in a Hael/Mist world, in which case the surrender is kind of wild. However, I'm left with the question of what, exactly, motivates Keaton!Doc to shift the vote onto e!Stick. The only thing I can come up with is that they'd already decided to surrender, and he was just goofing around. To further boost my opinion on Doc, I want to bring up his PM data again, which conclusively shows e/e messages sent via PM. That means that either Doc is an eliminator, or Burnt sent those PMs without having info from the Postman. Yes, it's technically plausible that she did so just for fun, or else all on her own made the remarkable deduction that, counter to typical SE rules, the "tineye" in this game could see PM recipients. But just because it's plausible doesn't mean it's probable. The most likely explanation remains a Doc/Burnt team, in which Doc either lied about the PM data, or told Burnt early on about the fact he could see PM recipients.
DrakeMarshall he/him Posted March 19 Posted March 19 4 hours ago, coco.pudding said: Wdym it wasn’t close? It was tied or different by one vote for most of the day iirc. That only changed at the very end with Archer’s vote. um no Hael had a pretty significant lead for a lot of the day take a look at Aman's tally with 9 hours to go, Hael had 8 votes and nobody else had more than 1 but if we think the elims were online at the end of the day then the vote not being close at the end is what matters Whatever the case, this feels like quibbling. What's your takeaway from it? If we suppose you're correct and the vote was close, does that mean the elims wanted Stick to get executed? Does that mean Stick is village? You might have a difficult time convincing me of that Quote Stick could not have gotten it, she would have been at 30 rupees at the very most (if she had max posts) by the night. 4 hours ago, Mistfallen Soldier said: Yeah. As Coco said, Stick couldn’t have had it. Plus no village is claiming Keaton, meaning an Elim must have it I don’t think the reasons for why Doc would have scents are convincing, so I think Hael had to have had it(assuming you V!read me) Right, Keaton is 50 rupees, I forgot. Thought it was 20 for some reason. Okay, then Doc probably did commit tax fraud. I'm still not really concerned about it either way, because in my view there's just much bigger reasons why Doc is evil and Hael is village, that I feel you're ignoring. If your sense of proportionality doesn't agree, then I guess we'll just have to put it to a vote, sorry.
Mystic He/Him Posted March 19 Posted March 19 Just now, DrakeMarshall said: um no Hael had a pretty significant lead for a lot of the day take a look at Aman's tally with 9 hours to go, Hael had 8 votes and nobody else had more than 1 but if we think the elims were online at the end of the day then the vote not being close at the end is what matters Whatever the case, this feels like quibbling. What's your takeaway from it? If we suppose you're correct and the vote was close, does that mean the elims wanted Stick to get executed? Does that mean Stick is village? You might have a difficult time convincing me of that Right, Keaton is 50 rupees, I forgot. Thought it was 20 for some reason. Okay, then Doc probably did commit tax fraud. I'm still not really concerned about it either way, because in my view there's just much bigger reasons why Doc is evil and Hael is village, that I feel you're ignoring. If your sense of proportionality doesn't agree, then I guess we'll just have to put it to a vote, sorry. I’ve been convinced since then, so after Stick we go Doc
coco.pudding she/they Posted March 19 Posted March 19 (edited) 5 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said: um no Hael had a pretty significant lead for a lot of the day take a look at Aman's tally with 9 hours to go, Hael had 8 votes and nobody else had more than 1 but if we think the elims were online at the end of the day then the vote not being close at the end is what matters Whatever the case, this feels like quibbling. What's your takeaway from it? If we suppose you're correct and the vote was close, does that mean the elims wanted Stick to get executed? Does that mean Stick is village? You might have a difficult time convincing me of that Right, Keaton is 50 rupees, I forgot. Thought it was 20 for some reason. Okay, then Doc probably did commit tax fraud. I'm still not really concerned about it either way, because in my view there's just much bigger reasons why Doc is evil and Hael is village, that I feel you're ignoring. If your sense of proportionality doesn't agree, then I guess we'll just have to put it to a vote, sorry. Oops. Ig I’m just remembering the end of the day, when it did get very close and could have been decided with Bremen or Keaton. Which is probably why an elim (Doc most likely) went for Keaton. Honestly I don’t know. I believe you that stick is elim, so I doubt they wanted her exed. Honestly I think right now we should focus less on the why (and Keaton) and more on the who, since we need to get all three of these correct. (also can we do more RP I like this character) Edited March 19 by coco.pudding
Wonko the Sane he/him Posted March 19 Posted March 19 This time, when the Song came, Zymni was ready for it. She braced through the searing Light, and stood defiance as the laughter of the Demon King echoed in her... ----- The Beast awakens in the maw of a leviathan, roaring out its defiance. Nearby refugees and travelers shriek as the tendrilled face erupts from the body of their companion, and a solid plate of Shadow congeals upon the Beast's face. A small, floating child looks up with shock as the Beast emerges, eyes narrowing behind an elaborate mask. The Beast ignores the child; it appears weak. But the mask is dangerous. The Beast is reminded of the Dark Interlopers and the Fused Shadow. It roars it's defiance at the mask that wears the floating child; this thing does not serve the Master. It must be dealt... ----- The song finished, and Zymni found herself again in Thistle's cottage. She shivered, running her hand across her face to confirm that there was no plate of solid darkness resting there. Then, she rose, wrapped herself in scarves, and made her way to the Happy Mask Shop, wincing in the harsh glare of the Sun. It was time to end this. 1
DrakeMarshall he/him Posted March 19 Posted March 19 5 minutes ago, Mistfallen Soldier said: I’ve been convinced since then, so after Stick we go Doc oh well, I think you're correct and smart then it's not easy to change your mind, and I do actually appreciate that we hashed out reasons for different elim teams
Mystic He/Him Posted March 19 Posted March 19 Just now, DrakeMarshall said: oh well, I think you're correct and smart then it's not easy to change your mind, and I do actually appreciate that we hashed out reasons for different elim teams Well, Hael basically went like -person with Keaton is elim -if you don’t have it. -if I have it, Doc has to be Elim for dead doc info -otherwise doc has it and he’s Elim And that was pretty convincing. Though, Doc, once the game is over, I’m going to need an answer on why you threw away a silver mask
Wonko the Sane he/him Posted March 19 Posted March 19 21 minutes ago, Mistfallen Soldier said: Well, Hael basically went like -person with Keaton is elim -if you don’t have it. -if I have it, Doc has to be Elim for dead doc info -otherwise doc has it and he’s Elim And that was pretty convincing. Though, Doc, once the game is over, I’m going to need an answer on why you threw away a silver mask I really don't think it's fair to say he "threw it away". If and when Doc bought Scents Loop 2, it was not at ALL clear that silver was on the table. At that point, all he had was a single Loop where he'd been the Postman. That's hardly a guaranteed silver mask that he threw away. Heck, in order to get silver he still would have had to be sure he could get Bunny, which was not really something he could control at that point.
Mystic He/Him Posted March 19 Posted March 19 21 minutes ago, Wonko the Sane said: I really don't think it's fair to say he "threw it away". If and when Doc bought Scents Loop 2, it was not at ALL clear that silver was on the table. At that point, all he had was a single Loop where he'd been the Postman. That's hardly a guaranteed silver mask that he threw away. Heck, in order to get silver he still would have had to be sure he could get Bunny, which was not really something he could control at that point. He couldn’t have. If he bought Scents he couldn’t have gotten bunny. So he had to have gotten bunny then, otherwise he couldn’t have gotten Keaton
Wonko the Sane he/him Posted March 19 Posted March 19 4 minutes ago, Mistfallen Soldier said: He couldn’t have. If he bought Scents he couldn’t have gotten bunny. So he had to have gotten bunny then, otherwise he couldn’t have gotten Keaton Why couldn't he? He had 48 at the end of Loop A, -20 for Scents, +30 across Loop B means he'd have had 58 going into Loop C. That's plenty for both the Keaton Mask and all the PMs he sent Loop C.
Doc12 Posted March 19 Posted March 19 (edited) It was time to end this. Thistle walked and walked, until they came upon the banks of a rushing river. They slipped their feet into the current. Dying... it had hurt. It was probably going to hurt this time too. But... Goddess. They were so, so tired. Carrying all that hurt loop after loop. Each loss of a friend breaking them piece by piece. They'd died. Actually died. And now they were back again, three days earlier. Their waist dipped below the water. Shockingly cold. It was selfish, they knew it was. But really, this was the best time. No one was going out of the gate to fight a monster today. They were just... debating. No one would miss them. And so, holding tightly to their favorite flowers, they slipped entirely into the river. No more loops. Just... peace. Edited March 19 by Doc12 8
Mystic He/Him Posted March 19 Posted March 19 4 minutes ago, Wonko the Sane said: Why couldn't he? He had 48 at the end of Loop A, -20 for Scents, +30 across Loop B means he'd have had 58 going into Loop C. That's plenty for both the Keaton Mask and all the PMs he sent Loop C. I’m pretty sure it was 43, not 48, gimme a sec, I’ll go check. Never mind, it was 47. Okay yeah, that checks out. Well, we still don’t know exactly how Burnt got Stone. Perhaps Burnt got bunny then? That would explain how she got enough rupees for it, though I suppose she wouldn’t need to, as she would’ve had enough simply by not buying scents.
The Unknown Character he/him Posted March 19 Posted March 19 Holy megapost incoming Mist, you are so lucky you cannot possibly be an elim because nothing you said on pages 1-6 makes any sense 18 hours ago, Burnt Spaghetti said: Hide contents ^My life this game lol Also i had forgotten that there was an actual owl in the games. That is very Duolingo coded 12 hours ago, |TJ| said: I am convinced. This is Aman's revenge game against me for MR56 >> I was a fool for signing up, a fool I say! (jk it's been so much fun :P) This game definitely has those vibes, I always forget how annoying flipless games are 11 hours ago, Amanuensis said: Blackouts are fun, we should have another soon and I might play. Nothing quite like having zero clue about the mechanics I might run my SE metagame as blackout, we'll see once I have the rules fleshed out 10 hours ago, Wahrheitswächter said: So Burnt is Dead, and as most of us Guessed she was actually elim (for anyone still confused read the white text) Now we need to determine the other two we are gonna exe. There is exactly one e in Hael/Doc (Because of Docs Mask of truth Claim) Hael/Drake are either e/e (a Ploy to missexe Stick and Prepare for L4) v/v or v/e (v!Hael Relays e!Drakes scan result) e/v isnt likely because e!Hael has no reason to out himself and relay v!Drakes results, bussing e!Stick Stick/Drake contains one e (Deither Drake frames Stick or Stick did target Drake) Also there is probably only one e in Mist/burnt (Burnts Scent Mask Ploy from D1C) softclearing Mist There is at least 1 e in Drake/Twin/Coco/Stick (we won the loop and if only 5 people died there has to be only 1 elim in the dead Pool) Among Dive/Wonko/TJ/Drake/Stick/Archer/Araris is Max 1 e (we lost the loop and 6 village deaths wouldnt be enough to Balance 2 elim deaths in the elims favor) in this specific scenario there is exactly 1 e in those people Stick or Drake The following TUM, ASH, WAHR (hard cleared from L1) Dive, Wonko, TJ, Archer, Araris (cleared from process of Elimination for L2 deaths) Mistfallen (cleared from Process of Elimination Mist/Burnt) Twin, Coco, (1 elim) Hael, Doc, (1 elim) Stick, Drake (1 elim) I cannot See a World where both players of one of the yello Group are Paired. (Twin and Coco cannot be Paare because the other two cannot be Paare and we are only searching three elims Burnt is already out and Confirmed Possible Teams are therefore Twin,Hael,Drake (Why did they surrender?) Twin,Hael,Stick (to nonsensical, why does Hael choose to Bus Stick here?) Twin,Doc,Drake Twin,Doc,Stick Coco,Hael,Drake (why did they surrender?) Coco,Hael,Stick (to nonsensical, Why does hael choose to Bus Stick?) Coco,Doc,Drake Coco,Doc,Stick (This just logic from relatively recent cycles I am Sure there are a few of these that are impossible based on some social interaction I am forgetting. Also most of this has probably been said by people already during this day but I needed to make this Post to make sense of it all) I will go with Doc because none of the possible Hael Setups makes Sense in my oppinion. I'd like to add to this analysis, which I largely agree with, there's no reason for e/e Doc/Drake to say he scanned Hael elim (let alone for why, when neither of them were that suspected relatively, they killed Drake) because they would have gotten an easy misexe on Stick 9 hours ago, Mistfallen Soldier said: So… the only way I can think of Keaton is existing is one of a few ways 1. I’m lying about having Gibdo(I’m not) 2. Doc’s lying about having mask of truth but got Keaton(weird because we know he had the rupees for a silver) 3 Burnt had 100 rupees(we all can agree that that is nonsense 4 Hael lied about captains(only possible if another Elim had captains and Stick had it or something(and they shared info through Elim doc) very unlikely) 5Coco, Twin, and Ash died before this took place. So…. Either Doc didn’t go for a silver(despite being able to) or Hael and Stick did some stuff in the Elim doc. anyone want to claim Keaton? And, seeing how you literally can't be elim, that makes Doc the Keaton user and therefore e. Good enough for me. 8 hours ago, DrakeMarshall said: it doesn't really matter, Doc isn't Al Capone and I don't need to catch him doing tax fraud. Maybe he really is telling the truth about his finances for all I know, I don't really care. I just need to prove he's a lot less trustworthy than Hael Doc isn't Al Capone! I am! *cue Heroshi swapping universes with Tin Al Capone of the Metal Mafia* 2
Mystic He/Him Posted March 19 Posted March 19 3 minutes ago, The Unknown Medallion said: Holy megapost incoming Mist, you are so lucky you cannot possibly be an elim because nothing you said on pages 1-6 makes any sense I’m aware, one day, I’m going to get confirmed village and mess with everyone’s brains I just needed to be convinced
The Unknown Character he/him Posted March 19 Posted March 19 2 minutes ago, Mistfallen Soldier said: I’m aware, one day, I’m going to get confirmed village and mess with everyone’s brains I mean, you have pretty much achieved this goal, you're basically confirmed and my brain feels thoroughly messed with 1
Mystic He/Him Posted March 19 Posted March 19 3 minutes ago, The Unknown Medallion said: I mean, you have pretty much achieved this goal, you're basically confirmed and my brain feels thoroughly messed with Now imagine an entire game like that.
DrakeMarshall he/him Posted March 19 Posted March 19 2 hours ago, Mistfallen Soldier said: Well, Hael basically went like -person with Keaton is elim -if you don’t have it. -if I have it, Doc has to be Elim for dead doc info -otherwise doc has it and he’s Elim And that was pretty convincing. Though, Doc, once the game is over, I’m going to need an answer on why you threw away a silver mask all roads lead there eventually, if you pursue them all the way, I suppose you unironically Al Caponed Doc and caught him doing tax fraud TUM will be jealous 21 minutes ago, The Unknown Medallion said: That is very Duolingo coded you mean it's not from Duolingo? I legit thought it was 1
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