Quick Fix 75: The Tower's Pressure

[IcedOutPenguin He/Him]

13 minutes ago, The Unknown Order said:

I mean, human irrationality picking seven is like textbook evidence for human randomness being entirely predictable. 

Determinism is not real. At least mostly. 

[|TJ| he/him]

2 hours ago, BigBadBagsworth said:

Also, I spontainiously sit on |TJ|

Is this supposed to be RP? xD 

30 minutes ago, KaladinsSenseOfHumorSpren said:

Talinele watched the strange-looking chicken that appeared to be accusing him. What kind of insanity was this? He was also very weary of a mysterious figure by the name of TJ.

I love the name Striker gave you. If that's okay, I'm going to call you by K-Sauce hehe. 

Always love a good debate re: free will v determinism 

Hope all the new players are getting the hang of the game and are having fun? 

We progress in game by trying to read into the posts by players and deciding if it's coming from a villager's perspective or an evil person. 

I'll start but yeah, most of the stuff posted so far is very very NAI (not alignment indicative - could be from either teams)

Looking why people voted is also an important tool because evil players always fabricate reasons to vote on the villagers. If we find their reasons faulty, that could be suspicious. 

Speaking of that, would you like to elaborate on your vote - re: wary of the mystery person, @KaladinsSenseOfHumorSpren? 

Worldhopper's "I really don't know" reasoning is quite fair and I want to lean village on them for that. 

Other than that, yeah I have nothing either. 

[StrikerEZ he/him]

3 hours ago, BigBadBagsworth said:

I accuse The Unknown Order of being a bald 

Oh gosh that name change is going to drive me crazy. I already am struggling with remembering who's who lmao

Also, yeah, humans are entirely deterministic. Free will is an illusion, etc. etc.

Anyway, I'm gonna vote for The Unknown Order since he voted for himself. That was already going to happen, and it shows a lack of care about where his vote ends up, in my opinion. For someone who's been around long enough, he should know better than that. (No I will not get into a debate about D1 voting because it doesn't even apply in this game since someone will get exed no matter what each day)

Also, here's our vote count right now:

• |TJ| (3): |TJ|, Kasimir, ThatOneWorldhopper
• The Unknown Order (2): The Unknown Order, StrikerEZ
• KelsierApologist (1): KelsierApologist
• Yevad (1): Yevad
• IcedOutPenguin (1): Radon/BigBadBagsworth
• KaladinsSenseOfHumorSpren (1): KaladinsSenseOfHumorSpren, 
• Negative_Null (1): Negative_Null
• RoyalBeeMage (1): RoyalBeeMage
• Lord Spirit (1): Lord Spirit
• Tinwatcher (1): Tinwatcher
• THE DEMON (1): THE DEMON
• StrikerEZ (1): IcedOutPenguin
• Aster (1): Aster
• Radon/BigBadBagsworth (0):
• ThatOneWorldhopper (0):
• Kasimir (0):

Man I can already tell this is going to get confusing to track....

We've got a lot of people who haven't voted yet. Or, I guess I should say that the haven't moved their vote from themselves yet. I'm going to ping all of them (except TUO since he's apparently doing it on purpose) to get them to come in and pick someone else to vote on. It's in everyone's best interest to not keep your vote on yourself, as those will stack up over time. As villagers, we want to keep as few votes on ourselves as possible. @|TJ| @KelsierApologist @YEVAD @KaladinsSenseOfHumorSpren @Negative_Null @RoyalBeeMage @Lord Spirit @Tinwatcher @THE DEMON @Aster Come vote for someone else!

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

4 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said:

Anyway, I'm gonna vote for The Unknown Order since he voted for himself. That was already going to happen, and it shows a lack of care about where his vote ends up, in my opinion. For someone who's been around long enough, he should know better than that. (No I will not get into a debate about D1 voting because it doesn't even apply in this game since someone will get exed no matter what each day

What makes you think I intended to leave it there?

Sure, no voting is my MO, but I've shown an ability to adapt when needed.

5 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said:

Also, yeah, humans are entirely deterministic. Free will is an illusion, etc. etc.

Free will is an illusion but man is it one pretty illusion that happens to function exactly the same as if it was reality.

[RoyalBeeMage he/him]

8 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said:

Oh gosh that name change is going to drive me crazy. I already am struggling with remembering who's who lmao

Also, yeah, humans are entirely deterministic. Free will is an illusion, etc. etc.

Anyway, I'm gonna vote for The Unknown Order since he voted for himself. That was already going to happen, and it shows a lack of care about where his vote ends up, in my opinion. For someone who's been around long enough, he should know better than that. (No I will not get into a debate about D1 voting because it doesn't even apply in this game since someone will get exed no matter what each day)

Also, here's our vote count right now:

• |TJ| (3): |TJ|, Kasimir, ThatOneWorldhopper
• The Unknown Order (2): The Unknown Order, StrikerEZ
• KelsierApologist (1): KelsierApologist
• Yevad (1): Yevad
• IcedOutPenguin (1): Radon/BigBadBagsworth
• KaladinsSenseOfHumorSpren (1): KaladinsSenseOfHumorSpren, 
• Negative_Null (1): Negative_Null
• RoyalBeeMage (1): RoyalBeeMage
• Lord Spirit (1): Lord Spirit
• Tinwatcher (1): Tinwatcher
• THE DEMON (1): THE DEMON
• StrikerEZ (1): IcedOutPenguin
• Aster (1): Aster
• Radon/BigBadBagsworth (0):
• ThatOneWorldhopper (0):
• Kasimir (0):

Man I can already tell this is going to get confusing to track....

We've got a lot of people who haven't voted yet. Or, I guess I should say that the haven't moved their vote from themselves yet. I'm going to ping all of them (except TUO since he's apparently doing it on purpose) to get them to come in and pick someone else to vote on. It's in everyone's best interest to not keep your vote on yourself, as those will stack up over time. As villagers, we want to keep as few votes on ourselves as possible. @|TJ| @KelsierApologist @YEVAD @KaladinsSenseOfHumorSpren @Negative_Null @RoyalBeeMage @Lord Spirit @Tinwatcher @THE DEMON @Aster Come vote for someone else!

So far not much to go off of for anyone. However I don’t entirely trust the way that KaladinsSenseOfHumorSpren is acting right now 

[Tinwatcher I don’t mind]

*sits in a corner*
there not much to base a vote on. 

I guess I’ll vote Kasimir since he has no votes 

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

8 minutes ago, Tinwatcher said:

*sits in a corner*
there not much to base a vote on. 

I guess I’ll vote Kasimir since he has no votes 

E!indicative

For legal reasons this is a joke.

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

Current Vote Count:
KelsierApologist: 1
The Unknown Order: 2
YEVAD: 1
|TJ|: 4
KaladinsSenseOfHumorSpren: 2
Negative_Null: 1
Lord Spirit: 1
THE DEMON: 1
StrikerEZ: 1
Aster: 1
Kasimir: 1

It looks like things are going well. About 14 and a half hours left of this turn.

 

[StrikerEZ he/him]

@A Jo in the Bush I'm confused where you're getting your vote count from. This is what I have so far:

• |TJ| (3): |TJ|, Kasimir, ThatOneWorldhopper
• The Unknown Order (2): The Unknown Order, StrikerEZ
• KaladinsSenseOfHumorSpren (2): KaladinsSenseOfHumorSpren, RoyalBeeMage
• KelsierApologist (1): KelsierApologist
• Yevad (1): Yevad
• IcedOutPenguin (1): Radon/BigBadBagsworth
• Negative_Null (1): Negative_Null
• RoyalBeeMage (1): 
• Lord Spirit (1): Lord Spirit
• THE DEMON (1): THE DEMON
• StrikerEZ (1): IcedOutPenguin
• Aster (1): Aster
• Kasimir (1): Tinwatcher
• Radon/BigBadBagsworth (0):
• ThatOneWorldhopper (0):
• Tinwatcher (0): 

Where are you getting the fourth vote on TJ from?

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

1 hour ago, RoyalBeeMage said:

So far not much to go off of for anyone. However I don’t entirely trust the way that KaladinsSenseOfHumorSpren is acting right now 

2 hours ago, KaladinsSenseOfHumorSpren said:

Talinele watched the strange-looking chicken that appeared to be accusing him. What kind of insanity was this? He was also very weary of a mysterious figure by the name of TJ.

9 hours ago, IcedOutPenguin said:

KaladinsSenseOfHumorSpren

These seem to be the three you've missed.

In case anyone missed it, my Master Spread Sheet is viewable here. Anyone can see exactly how I'll be tracking votes from turn to turn.

Edited May 22, 2025 by A Jo in the Bush

[Lord Spirit he/him]

V takes in the room curiously. It seems like complete chaos. Aside from the old guy Kalhaver, it seemed like very few people had any experience. It’s almost people who got involved with murderers had a higher chance of dying off. Not that V would know anything about killing someone.
N̶o̶w̶ ̶X̶ ̶o̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶o̶t̶h̶e̶r̶ ̶h̶a̶n̶d̶…

Well, if the people want to be random, V’s only caution would be to remember that votes last forever, so random votes now could be game critical later, so be careful. 
 

Aster, Cuz why not?

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

36 minutes ago, A Jo in the Bush said:

These seem to be the three you've missed.

In case anyone missed it, my Master Spread Sheet is viewable here. Anyone can see exactly how I'll be tracking votes from turn to turn.

Thank you, you are awesome.

[BigBadBagsworth He/him/his]

I, personally, am of the opinion that free will isn't real, but that if it's impossible to tell the difference between a deterministic and an adeterministic world, then there's no point. Even if what happens next is already set in stone, I don't know what'll happen next, and it's literally impossible to construct a computer to predict the whole of the universe, since any computer that tried would have to simulate it's own code, which would then force it to simulate itself simulating its own code, which would then force it to simulate itself simulating it's code, etc. etc..

humans as RNGs are very flawed, tho.

for example, I'm guessing none of y'all read the terms and conditions when u made an account, which may have been a bad move, as they have a very interesting passage about the administrator known as Rubix. If you read it, you may begin to understand my profile pic a bit more.

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

21 minutes ago, BigBadBagsworth said:

for example, I'm guessing none of y'all read the terms and conditions when u made an account, which may have been a bad move, as they have a very interesting passage about the administrator known as Rubix. If you read it, you may begin to understand my profile pic a bit more.

My soul is safe with him.

[Kasimir he/him]

Me rw the thread is full on free will v. determinism:

Spoiler

1 hour ago, Lord Spirit said:

Aside from the old guy Kalhaver

P.S. It's Kalhavar @A Jo in the Bush Gotta be thematic and stay Vorin

1 hour ago, Lord Spirit said:

Well, if the people want to be random, V’s only caution would be to remember that votes last forever, so random votes now could be game critical later, so be careful. 

I like this from Spirit. I can see this coming from either alignment, but he gets a tiny bit of V cred for this at a time when thread tempo is very distracted.

I liked Striker's opening vibes and would probably give him a tiny bit of V cred for it too, but Striker's old enough to be able to take that kind of question easily. TJ's vibes weren't as good, or at least I'm not sure what to make of them, so he doesn't get the credit.

Polly

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

5 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

P.S. It's Kalhavar @A Jo in the Bush Gotta be thematic and stay Vorin

Strange, I had it correct in the Spreadsheet.

[Aster]

i come in and the thread is debating free will and determinism

i like kas, striker, bigbagbagsworth, worldhopper, lord spirit, and TJ, as well as maaaaybe the unknown order (in kas's case, this is how i literally always feel, so i'm revising him down a little) and for now i'll vote. uh. RoyalBeeMage, because the last time i ran into one of those was the last time my soul was fully whole and because i'd love it if @RoyalBeeMage could elaborate on the way kaladin has been acting that they don't entirely trust. the thread has been pretty inactive compared to what i'm used to for timeframes this large, but for now my main wolfy vibes (very weak) aside from bee are probably icedoutpenguin (for being wrong about determinism), tinwatcher (for passive weak didn't-justify-their-vote vibes), and joe, who has frankly been acting very wolfy and should probably be our next elim priority

oh, yeah. hi! i'm aster, your friendly neighbourhood despoiler of laws. the one thing you should probably know about me is i never rand wolf and you should unconditionally trust me always. nice to meetcha!

[Kasimir he/him]

Just now, Aster said:

hi! i'm aster, your friendly neighbourhood despoiler of laws

Did you just usurp wiw's vanity role >:P

1 minute ago, Aster said:

i come in and the thread is debating free will and determinism

it's giving

Spoiler

 

3 minutes ago, Aster said:

and joe, who has frankly been acting very wolfy and should probably be our next elim priority

Yeah Drake spreading hostvoting to M&M corrupted you smh

[Aster]

what do you mean wiw's vanity role

look again, kas

that vanity role is MINE

[Through the Living Hopper He/Him]

*sigh* I feel like that one sitcom character who just wants to have a normal day, go on a date, and sleep in an intact bed. They are always the best one, anyway.

I'm with BigBadBagsworth on this,  it's the same either way. It's a "live in a simulation" problem.

That being said, logically, deterministicality prevents us from having this conversation. 

[Kasimir he/him]

9 minutes ago, Aster said:

what do you mean wiw's vanity role

look again, kas

that vanity role is MINE

Yeah sorry I'm reading-challenged.

I even wrote wiw an apology form tunnelling on her referring to it

what can I say it's been a stressful week or so.

i acknowledge the despoiler of laws

[StrikerEZ he/him]

I can vibe with a vote on KaladinsSenseOfHumor. Looking back, there was little explanation for the vote. While that’s not necessarily uncommon right now, it’s good in my opinion to put more pressure on another candidate. See if that brings people out of the woodwork. (Also I always love the potential for ties )

[Kasimir he/him]

8 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said:

I can vibe with a vote on KaladinsSenseOfHumor. Looking back, there was little explanation for the vote. While that’s not necessarily uncommon right now, it’s good in my opinion to put more pressure on another candidate. See if that brings people out of the woodwork. (Also I always love the potential for ties )

I'm divided on how I feel about this tbh.

I kind of half did my thoughts on this in a PM with Aster and one with TUN but I was considering the extent to which it would really suck for the Village to be dealing with major CW votes carrying over to the next cycle and make things easier for the Elims. I'm now weakly convinced the costs of forcing early consolidation are too high and we just gotta live with it. I think the CW thing might just be something to watch going into endgame as we don't want to be blindsided by a rogue train then.

But yeah tldr; I agree with Spirit after further reflection RE: votes but think we can't sacrifice the ability to force Elims to respond to CWs now.

[StrikerEZ he/him]

5 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

I'm divided on how I feel about this tbh.

I kind of half did my thoughts on this in a PM with Aster and one with TUN but I was considering the extent to which it would really suck for the Village to be dealing with major CW votes carrying over to the next cycle and make things easier for the Elims. I'm now weakly convinced the costs of forcing early consolidation are too high and we just gotta live with it. I think the CW thing might just be something to watch going into endgame as we don't want to be blindsided by a rogue train then.

But yeah tldr; I agree with Spirit after further reflection RE: votes but think we can't sacrifice the ability to force Elims to respond to CWs now.

So are you saying we should try and form consensus wagons? Like one single wagon that has most of the votes? That way we lose a bunch of the carryover votes when that person dies? I could get behind that, assuming we can all decide who to actually vote for.

[Aster]

i do not like that proposal

i said this to kas in dms but i'll say it again - that works great if we know exactly who's maf, but we don't. in fact, my suspicions are very weak here due to lack of activity, and i think having a lot of CWs is far better than consolidating on one person. one of the trains has to be wolf, after all