[Theory] Radiant is Chana's Self Aware Honorblade

[LewsTherinTelescope]

35 minutes ago, Ashbringer said:

Deadeye Shardblades can shift size based on the Shardbearer, I wouldn't be overly surprised if the Honorblades could do the same if necessary, if not more so because they can be used on Oathgates.

Only subtly, no?

35 minutes ago, Ashbringer said:

Especially if the size of Jezrien's Honorblade is part of Szeth's own perception of it as more a normal Shardblade, same as the ten heartbeats was.

Why don't they go all the way to normal Shardblade length, then? (Also, Moash does try to summon it quicker than ten heartbeats and can't, so I don't think that's just perception.)

35 minutes ago, Ashbringer said:

In the pseudo-canon Herald artworks, the Honorblades are more normal sword sized.

The Stormfather implies the Heralds killed them when they broke their oaths, so losing some capabilities like that seems likely. Beyond that, the art does have some inaccuracies like Shalash's hair being white rather than black, Kalak not being a short guy with wispy hair, or Pailiah being surrounded by logicspren despite WoB attributing those to the Elsecallers. Chana and Kalak's Honorblades are also shown as being bronze-ish, which is either another mistake (to do with the swords this time!) or proof that at least none of the silvery Blades which Shallan summons are it (in which case why take it?).

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35 minutes ago, Ashbringer said:

Would Shallan know how to do that, no idea.

As far as I understand it the theory is that she has no idea, right? So using an advanced technique doesn't seem super likely, imo.

Edited August 8, 2024 by LewsTherinTelescope
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[alder24]

8 hours ago, teknopathetic said:

Its odd to think why Lyn would put a shard dagger in the safe. Or that he wouldn’t be baffled at what a shard dagger was. Or why he would think Shallan wouldn’t just resume in it. As far as we know he never asked Shallan not to summon the blade again. It seems like he sort of thought the item in the safe was actually locked away forever. 

His wife with some guy just tried to kill his daughter, he nearly lost his life trying to defend her, then Shallan killed his wife with a Shardblade, which shocked her to the core - I think he had much urgent matters at hand to be thinking about than some weird Shardblade. He was in shock, panicked, full of adrenaline, being concerned the most with Shallan's well-being - him not thinking straight about a Shardblade is the most realistic thing that could have happened. 

[alder24]

@teknopathetic Forgive me for double posting, but I think the new addition to this fragment is a big problem for this theory:

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I knew I had a Shardblade… long before I’d bonded Pattern. She’d convinced herself that the weapon belonged to her father, and had been kept in his safe. She’d gone there before leaving home, and had drawn it out to dismiss it—ignoring that she’d instantly summoned it when reaching her hand in—pretending it was an ordinary Blade, pretending she needed ten heartbeats to summon it. However, a part of her had known even then that it was Testament, a friend to whom she’d done great harm. That was the one thing Shallan clearly remembered. Testament was her friend. A dimpled pattern on the wall that had delighted, then engaged, then protected a young girl.

 

[teknopathetic he/him]

6 minutes ago, alder24 said:

@teknopathetic Forgive me for double posting, but I think the new addition to this fragment is a big problem for this theory:

 

I agree it also hurts the theory. But at the same time I have trouble parsing what happened. Was the blade actually in the safe or was the safe empty? DId she pretend to grab a blade but instead summoned Testament into her hand? Or was there actually a blade in there that she actually summoned? 

If there really was a sword in there, is it possible she grabbed the sword and then summoned it? If she had grabbed an Honourblade, the sword wouldn't need 10 heartbeats either. 

And no she had not convinced herself that "the weapon had belonged to her father"! That is never what she said. This a completely new retelling of what she thought was in there! She thought a soul was in there as a child and she never once in WoR thinks that the item is her father's blade. 

Edited August 12, 2024 by teknopathetic

[alder24]

13 minutes ago, teknopathetic said:

I agree it also hurts the theory. But at the same time I have trouble parsing what happened. Was the blade actually in the safe or was the safe empty? DId she pretend to grab a blade but instead summoned Testament into her hand? Or was there actually a blade in there that she actually summoned? 

The safe was empty. She was pretending it wasn't by instantly summoning Testament in her hand as if she just grabbed the blade that "was" in the safe. 

16 minutes ago, teknopathetic said:

If there really was a sword in there, is it possible she grabbed the sword and then summoned it? If she had grabbed an Honourblade, the sword wouldn't need 10 heartbeats either. 

I don't think so. It is said she knew this blade was Testament even back then.

17 minutes ago, teknopathetic said:

And no she had not convinced herself that "the weapon had belonged to her father"! That is never what she said. This a completely new retelling of what she thought was in there! She thought a soul was in there as a child and she never once in WoR thinks that the item is her father's blade. 

That's true, however I think it's a combination of Radiant and Veil protecting her from the truth - Veil fully removed the memory of Testament and the blade from her, while Radiant added her mother's soul probably for a different reason. 

[TheOtherDave]

Is it confirmed that Shallan’s mom is Chana?

[teknopathetic he/him]

10 minutes ago, TheOtherDave said:

Is it confirmed that Shallan’s mom is Chana?

No. it is just a popular theory that has grown in popularity. There could be another explanation for how a herald was killed. 

Edited August 12, 2024 by teknopathetic

[coolsnow7]

On 8/12/2024 at 7:22 PM, TheOtherDave said:

Is it confirmed that Shallan’s mom is Chana?

Of course not, the theory is riddled with holes and would make Shallan’s arc shallower than season 8 of Game of Thrones, but none of that is going to hold back the Cosmerenauts around here from taking some red hair and a line about a herald dying and blasting off with it. 

Edited August 18, 2024 by coolsnow7