Mid-Range Game 3: When Chalklings Attack

[Mailliw73 he/him]

I would like to hold a vote to see who agrees with my plan in my last post. Are we committed to have the first seven draw LoW this cycle? We need to decide what we're going to do. We're at about 12 hours left.

[Aonar he/him]

Hmm. First off, Maill, I have a few questions about your plan. (Just splitting the group in half and having people alternate Making and Warding.)

 

1. Coordination. If you leave things the way they are, and let people just make chalklings at random, we'll have overlap. Overlap is bad, because it lets the Forgotten hide.

 

2. Effectiveness.

 

a. Preventing wild chalkling kills. Three-four Forgotten, an unknown amount of non-Rithmatists, and two-three possible Lines of Vigor mean that seven Lines of Warding really don't make for much of a buffer. However, if the Forgotten choose to utilize their powers with the greatest possible efficiency to force a chalkling kill, they expose themselves to Artists and those making chalklings. This leads to the next point.

 

b. Finding Forgotten. Ignoring overlap and associated problems for a moment, the Forgotten may well chose not to bother forcing a chalkling kill this cycle, making the use of Lines of Making redundant. A Forgotten who is a part of the group expected to make chalklings will make the kill, and the others will make either Lines of Warding or Lines of Forbiddance. (As they read the same unless you are an Artist.)

 

I'm not saying we shouldn't go through with the plan, (it's the best that has been suggested so far) but it should be fleshed out a little more.

Edited October 21, 2014 by AonarFaileas

[Araris Valerian he/him]

I agree with your plan (at least for tonight), excepting that we should have 8 people do lines of warding and not 7. Anyway, I will make my line tonight.

Edited October 21, 2014 by Araris Valerian

[Ashiok]

Remember, Dui is no longer here. GM, if he deleted his account, what are we gonna do with him in the game?

If he just straight up dies, that puts us to 14. even 7 and 7. I'm number 14, so I'd sic a chalkling on number seven, number 13 on number 6, 12 on 5, ect... 

Essentially, I agree with the plan and am proposing an addendum.

[Metacognition he/him]

"Well, technically, it was my plan," Matt mumbled as he plopped down next to me. "But at least they're doing something and considering that Will divided everyone according to the roster instead of switching anything up, I have no problems with the proposed set up. We'll need those Lines of Vigor for ourselves eventually, but this should help give us an idea of where to go from here."
 

I didn't know what to say, so I just shrugged and passed him some rations. Those he accepted with a grin and nod of thanks. We sat in silence for awhile, waiting as the rest of the platoon argued over the semantics and watched the sun starting to set in the distance. I was probably the most peaceful moment we'd had all day and it gave me hope. 

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

Dui actually is still around. He was online today. He just changed his Name to ___. Here's his Sign-up Post for Reference.

 

Also, I'm keeping my vote on Jain. I'm still suspicious about him. He only ranted after I said he didn't.

Edited October 21, 2014 by The Only Joe

[Mailliw73 he/him]

Ash's addendum is what I was thinking. Number 1 in my second list would target Number 1 in my first list and so on. Number 8 could target whoever he/she wants to double check someone.

[Tulir he/him]

Aonar: Meta

Chase: Tavi

Jain: Joel

Dui: Alvron, Wyrm, Roddy, Rlint

Kas: Aonar

Alvron: Will

Tavi: Kas

 

Current Vote Count.  I would like to here what is going to happen with Dui.  If he is truly going to be inactive and dropping out of the game, but nothing game-wise will happen to him, I will cast a vote at him.

[Wyrmhero he/him]

Voting to kill a new player who is inactive seems a little cruel to me, but frankly I'm as confused as hell by what's going on there. If we still had time, I'd change my vote and point out that this would be a waste of our lynch, considering inactives don't matter.

 

However, it has suggested a bit of a lynch train going on. I get that he's basically out of the game, but why lynch him instead of ignoring him and trying to go for someone else? At the very least, we don't need another two votes to ensure that lynch.

 

As for the plan, it makes sense. Splitting half-and-half is a good way to do it arbitrarily - unless Mailliw's a Forsaken and it benefits them in some way to stick with that, but I see that as being a little too coincidental. So yes, as I say, I agree with that division.

[Sart he/him]

As tensions rose in the camp, suspicions were thrown about the camp. Many names were voiced, but eventually, they suspected Dui, who was sitting by himself, nervously eating chalk.

"Dui" gently asked Ronald, "do you have any suspicions?"

Dui started shaking. His mouth tried to make words, but it couldn't speak them. He turned to look at the group, not comprehending what was happening. Suddenly, he screamed, pulled out a knife, and charged at the group. Before anyone could react he stabbed Matt once, then twice. Chalkling started streaming out of his body as he began to charge at Matt's confidant. They wrestled, and Matt's friend took the knife, and plunged it into the JoSeun man's heart. It was too late for him though. He was covered in chalklings, and they were hungry. The camp fought them back, but not before he died. The camp went back to their tents, sick to their stomachs. They had killed another Forgotten, but he was too dumb to be the leader. They went back to their tents, hoping that tomorrow would bring better news.

Dui (Elend'sSecondCousion/______) was a Forgotten!
Matt (Metacognition) was an Artist!

Vote Count:
Aaron F: Matt (1)
Chase: Tavi (1)
Jain: Joel (1)
Dui: Ronald, Wyatt, Aaron R, Rlint (4)
Kessen: Aaron F (1)
Ronald: Will (1)
Tavi: Kessen (1)

Player List:

 

• (The Only Joe) Joel, a Long time soldier at Nebrask
• (Araris Valerian) Tavi, a troublesome, but bright young man.
• (Alvron) Ronald, a Short man with White hair and piercing blue eyes.
• (AonarFaileas) Aaron, a Graduate of Académie de Montréal.
• (Tulir) Rlint, a Dirty Conner a Policeman.
• (Mailliw73) Will, a Blonde Male.
• (Lightsworn Panda) Jain, a new Soldier.
• (Wyrmhero) Wyatt, a Senior Soldier
• (Elend'sSecondCousin) Dui, a JoSeun Immigrant who eats chalk. Forgotten
• (Kasimir) Samuel Kessen, a man who hates the JoSeun way of life.
• (Gamma Fiend) Dig, a Digger.
• (pir2h) Chase Tearing, a Rithamantic Murderer.
• (Metacognition) Matt, a man seen through the eyes of others. Artist
• (Twelvethrootoftwo) Tory Farth, a man who exists
• (Ashiok) Aaron Roddy, A Baseball Coach

This cycle will end 48 hours from now. So, 9:00 AM Central Time, 2:00 PM GMT, on Thursday.

Edited June 16, 2016 by Alvron

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

So we have a Forgotten Dead. That's good. 2-3 left.

 

As for the People who voted for Dui,

 

Alvron was the first to vote for Dui, as he and Mailliw had yet to post.

Wyrm voted for him next, promising to lift his vote if he posted.

Ashiok voted for him next, also because he was inactive.

Tulir voted for him last, saying "If he is truly going to be inactive and dropping out of the game, but nothing game-wise will happen to him, I will cast a vote at him."

 

I don't think Wrym, Ashiok or Alvron are forgotten. They have nothing to gain by killing one of their own early on, as it just means less people have to make Lines of Warding. As for Tulir, there's a small chance he's a Forgotten who killed him because he saw it as inevitable, but I doubt it.

 

So My 6 highest suspects are below. These 6 are only Suspects because I haven't found anything that makes me believe they're Innocent. The Other's I've ruled out for Various reasons. 

 

(Araris Valerian) Tavi,

(AonarFaileas) Aaron, 

(Lightsworn Panda) Jain, 

(Kasimir) Samuel Kessen,

(Gamma Fiend) Dig, 

(Twelvethrootoftwo) Tory Farth, 

[Wyrmhero he/him]

Meta was an Artist? That's a painful first death... I'm not surprised that we lost him first, considering it's Meta, but the fact that he happened to have such a useful role, particularly for him, that just makes it worse. I don't think we can figure much out from why he died, but it's still useful to think about the how, as it were.

 

As he was an Artist, I can probably only imagine that he'd do one of two things: Line of Forbiddance, or Line of Making. In the second case, he'd just have to be attacked, but the first one is more interesting. In order to get through a Line of Forbiddance, the Forgotten would have to have used a Line of Vigor as well.

 

I'm not sure which he's more likely to do - Forbiddance to attempt to stay alive longer, or risk a Making to get information for the next Cycle, even if it meant revealing that he was an Artist. But if he did Forbiddance, then it suggests that the Forgotten are doing something similar to the Mutineers in QF2, and are preventing defences from happening with their kills. But again, that depends on how cautiously he was playing this game, and I can't really guess that. But it's still useful to note the possibilities.

 

Anyway, at least our lynch came through for us, even if he was inactive. When I noted previously that lynching an inactive wouldn't really make a difference for us, I'd forgotten that the strength of Wild Chalkling attacks was equal to their number, so we do actually have some leeway now with regards to the camp defences - not that we should become complacent or anything about it, considering we have no idea how many Sentries or Rithmatists we have.

 

Regarding the votes for Dui during the previous Cycle, I would like to hear why Ashiok and Tulir joined in. While it's worked out well for us, I don't think we needed to lynch an inactive so badly that it should have garnered another two votes. Particularly when Tulir posted about two/three hours before the deadline ended. That seems a little like an Eliminator jumping on the lynch of an ally to 'prove' their innocence. While neither Tulir or Ashiok have particularly done anything else that makes me notably suspicious of them, I'd still like to hear their reasoning - Tulir's more than Ashiok's, considering the lateness of Tulir's vote.

 

Smart, regarding thread-merging, the mods are the only ones who can do that, so when Gamma or Meta come online, they'll just do it for you. Also, sorry to be a pain again, but could I please request that the people who voted are either all shown by username or all by character name in the writeup? It's just a little confusing to follow when it's a mix. Thanks.

Edited October 22, 2014 by Wyrmhero

[Sart he/him]

One other quick note: I've set up a Spectator doc for people not actively participating in the game. If you want the link to it, please PM me.

[Tulir he/him]

Regarding the votes for Dui during the previous Cycle, I would like to hear why Ashiok and Tulir joined in. While it's worked out well for us, I don't think we needed to lynch an inactive so badly that it should have garnered another two votes. Particularly when Tulir posted about two/three hours before the deadline ended. That seems a little like an Eliminator jumping on the lynch of an ally to 'prove' their innocence. While neither Tulir or Ashiok have particularly done anything else that makes me notably suspicious of them, I'd still like to hear their reasoning - Tulir's more than Ashiok's, considering the lateness of Tulir's vote.

I'm pretty sure I voted closer to 9 hours before the deadline, but yes, the last vote on an Eliminator is always suspicious.  My logic might have been odd, and I understand if people mistrust me now.

[Wyrmhero he/him]

I'm pretty sure I voted closer to 9 hours before the deadline, but yes, the last vote on an Eliminator is always suspicious.  My logic might have been odd, and I understand if people mistrust me now.

 

The timestamp I see says 5:30 AM (correcting for GMT), and the first post of Cycle 1 said it was meant to be over at 8 AM. This Cycle didn't start for another six hours though, so you're right about that. But are you not going to say anything other than that it might have been odd though? I mean, I do find it a little odd, you're right, and I'd like a little more than that before I think about changing my vote.

[Ashiok]

I thought I posted four hours ago, guess it didn't go through. I was at school then, so who knows?

 

I voted Dui because he namemewiped. That only happens when you delete your account. Therefore, he wasn't playing. He would only be useful to us at that point to soak up a kill, now or later. I chose now.

Action wise, last night I sicced a chalkling on Chase, she was protected.

[Mailliw73 he/him]

Smart, was that a Forgotten kill or a wild chalking kills? I might just be being dense, but I'd like clarification please.

We were very lucky with an inactive Forgotten who we lynched first cycle.

This is my proposed line up for this cycle's lines:

Lines of Making:

1. (The Only Joe) Joel, a Long time soldier at Nebrask
2. (Araris Valerian) Tavi, a troublesome, but bright young man.
3. (Alvron) Ronald, a Short man with White hair and piercing blue eyes.
4. (AonarFaileas) Aaron, a Graduate of Académie de Montréal.
5. (Tulir) Rlint, a Dirty Conner a Policeman.
6. (Mailliw73) Will, a Blonde Male.
7. (Lightsworn Panda) Jain, a new Soldier.

Lines of Warding:

1. (Wyrmhero) Wyatt, a Senior Soldier
2. (Kasimir) Samuel Kessen, a man who hates the JoSeun way of life.
3. (Gamma Fiend) Dig, a Digger.
4. (pir2h) Chase Tearing, a Rithamantic Murderer.
5. (Twelvethrootoftwo) Tory Farth, a man who exists
6. (Ashiok) Roddy, A Baseball Coach

 

EDIT: Realized that when I split the list this time, I messed up on Jain's placement.

 

Again, people making chalklings should check their parallel number in the other list.

Edited October 21, 2014 by Mailliw73

[twelfthrootoftwo]

I note we've lost two people from Maill's second category. Hopefully that won't be too much of an issue, since we had the good fortune to hit a Forgotten yesterday, so the wild chalkings are not as strong.

 

The bandwagon on Dui was certainly interesting. I'm suspicious of Tulir, partially because - if he isn't an Eliminator - then we didn't stand to gain anything from him voting for someone who was almost definitely going to be lynched by that point. On the other hand, though, late votes on eliminators get called out just about every time, for that exact reason.

 

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Edited October 22, 2014 by twelfthrootoftwo

[Tulir he/him]

The timestamp I see says 5:30 AM (correcting for GMT), and the first post of Cycle 1 said it was meant to be over at 8 AM. This Cycle didn't start for another six hours though, so you're right about that. But are you not going to say anything other than that it might have been odd though? I mean, I do find it a little odd, you're right, and I'd like a little more than that before I think about changing my vote.

I note we've lost two people from Maill's second category. Hopefully that won't be too much of an issue, since we had the good fortune to hit a Forgotten yesterday, so the wild chalkings are not as strong.

 

The bandwagon on Dui was certainly interesting. I'm suspicious of Tulir, partially because - if he isn't an Eliminator - then we didn't stand to gain anything from him voting for someone who was almost definitely going to be lynched by that point. On the other hand, though, late votes on eliminators get called out just about every time, for that exact reason.

 

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I voted for him because if he was truly inactive, he wouldn't benefit either side.  Now I realize that he could have been used to soak up some wild Chalkling kills, provided he wasn't a Forgotten.  I should have realized the before, but I didn't, so I chose to help get rid of the inactive early.  Forgotten, I am sorry you lost one of your members early on, but hopefully that will help us defeat you faster.  

 

I mostly trust the bandwagon on Dui, for various reasons, one of which is I would be a hypocrite if I voted for someone who voted for him because he was inactive.  Alvron's vote makes sense to me, trying to draw the person out to post, and Wyrm's vote had the same logic.  Ash and  had the same reasoning, so I currently think he is probably innocent as well.  However, Wyrm might be a Forgotten and noticed that Dui seemed to be inactive, and threw him to us in an attempt to prove his innocence, by being the second vote on a Forgotten.

[Araris Valerian he/him]

At least from the writeup, the doesn't seem to have been a chalkling kill. Maybe we should get a tally of who actually drew a line of warding last cycle so we can have an idea of how many we need in total.

I suspect that 6 lines of making might not be enough, especially if there are 3 forgotten left. In my opinion, the first night the chalkings break through will give us a decent amount of info, so keeping the numbers close to a death is probably a good thing. It seems that the only way you can really demonstrate innocence in this is coming up with a really good reason to lynch somebody that ends up being a forgotten, or building lots of useful diagrams and such. We have 2 votes on Tulir right now, so I won't bother exploring over there for the moment. I don't think that we can really excuse anyone from the vote for Dui; if the eliminators realized he was inactive then jumping on a vote for him wouldn't do much to hurt them. I'll put a vote on Will because I would like to hear why you think we should coordinate our chalklings since that would make it pretty easy for the forgotten to cancel the important ones with lines of vigor.

 

I'll retract that vote if the answer to this question is yes: Is there a difference between the message you get when your chalking gets blocked by warding/forbiddance and the one you get if you get hit by a line of vigor when you drew a line of making?

[Kasimir he/him]

First things first: Araris, thank you for your response to my question last cycle. I think your question should be flagged to Sart:
 
Sart, we know that if a chalkling gets blocked by warding/forbiddance, the LoM returns a null result. The same happens if the target was hit by a LoV. But what happens if the *Maker* gets hit by a LoV?
 
My contribution last cycle was mostly negative, but one cycle having elapsed, I think this opens up some options for us now. For instance, I think it would be rather helpful if we came forward with what we did last night. This has the advantage of giving us some idea of the level of the camp's defense last night, if there was a likelihood of the Forgotten having used LoVs (which would in turn give us some idea of their tactical capabilities for this cycle.)
 
So, first, I'm going to list what we do know:
 
1. If the write-up is meant to indicate what happened, then we can tell from the write-up that Dui was the Forgotten tasked with taking out Meta (ouch!).
 
Corollary: Dui was tasked with doing so as he was the Forgotten least likely to be hit by a LoM. The other Forgotten may believe they were more likely to be observed: this condition can be realised in many ways; for instance, they could have played significant roles (such as being Eliminators/Possessed) in Bart's LG, or in recent MRs/QFs.
 
2. There was no wild chalkling kill last night. So the camp's defence: D = [x(LoW) + yS] ≥ 4 (assuming the maximum number of Forgotten that have featured in our guesses, both to be conservative, and as Dui wouldn't have been dead at the time this was taken into account.)
 
Corollary: We can do useful things if we know how many people ostensibly cast LoWs last night, giving us some estimate of x. We can figure out what y should be, since we know each Sentry bonus has a value of 1. In addition, we may be able to rule out as impossible the notion that the Forgotten had cast LoVs. (This would be the case in which x(LoW) + yS = 4, or 5.) In which case, this would tell us something about how the Forgotten are choosing to play this game. It would also tell us if it is reasonable to fear the prospect of targeted LoVs tonight, since LoVs cannot be drawn twice in a row.
 
In addition, I suggest know what our yS constant is will be helpful, since it is a passive bonus. In which case, we can be more precise about how many LoWs we need and free up other players to open up other kinds of options for us.
 
So, how do we go about figuring x? Accounts of last night's actions would be helpful in this regard. If Araris cast a LoW as he said he would, that gives us one person who did. I sent in an early order for a LoW as I wouldn't be able to get back on the forums until my lectures finished post-rollover the next day, and therefore figured at that point that the safest action I could take would be to ward the camp without basically telling the Forgotten I was a neat target for a LoV. That gives us a (so-far) paltry x(LoW) value of 2. (Assuming, of course, that Araris has not been hit by a LoV.) We have no way to figure out Meta's actions unless someone used a LoM on him.
 
Basically, I think talking about what we did last night is helpful because it also gives us an idea of the pool of people who can't Ward today, the pool of people who can't spy today, and the pool of people who can do either today.
 
Also, Joel, I'm going to have to remember your argument for the next time I'm an Eliminator. It's exceedingly high-handed to put yourself in a position where you are the standard for which innocent and guilt should be measured, and neatly slipping the burden of proof onto everyone else while exempting yourself from it (so, exactly why should you be exempt?) and citing 'vague reasons'. I'm sure it's a great way of figuring things out from your viewpoint, but as we don't have access to that kind of information, it's hardly encouraging from a viewpoint that doesn't have access to your information. Very useful for an Eliminator, I'd imagine. Care to enlighten the rest of us on what those reasons are?

[Wyrmhero he/him]

I voted for him because if he was truly inactive, he wouldn't benefit either side.  Now I realize that he could have been used to soak up some wild Chalkling kills, provided he wasn't a Forgotten.  I should have realized the before, but I didn't, so I chose to help get rid of the inactive early.  Forgotten, I am sorry you lost one of your members early on, but hopefully that will help us defeat you faster.  

 

I mostly trust the bandwagon on Dui, for various reasons, one of which is I would be a hypocrite if I voted for someone who voted for him because he was inactive.  Alvron's vote makes sense to me, trying to draw the person out to post, and Wyrm's vote had the same logic.  Ash and  had the same reasoning, so I currently think he is probably innocent as well.  However, Wyrm might be a Forgotten and noticed that Dui seemed to be inactive, and threw him to us in an attempt to prove his innocence, by being the second vote on a Forgotten.

 

Thank you for expanding your answer. I have taken my vote off Tulir. I don't really have much to say about the side 'might' bit there, other than that I didn't actually notice that he'd deleted his account (heck, didn't even know that happened to your name when you did) until Ashiok pointed it out this Cycle, so I was hoping for a little more information, as I really didn't know what was going on.

 

Ashiok brings up an interesting question. Ignoring the fact that telling us that action tells us that - supposedly - they are both Rithmatists (though arguably that's not so damaging in this game since everyone has a Role, and it's unlikely there are many Scholars/Non-Rithmatists), it does suggest that either Chase used Warding out of turn, or used Forbiddance instead of Making, which doesn't make any sense to me for someone relatively under the radar. Could I ask you to explain why you didn't use Making last Cycle?

 

I'm also wary of Kas, since he mentioned deviating as well, but he's already admitted it and given a reason. I suppose I'd like to know why he mentioned it, but considering his plan, it makes sense he'd say what he did - Though we don't have any proof that he did that, I guess. Personally, I am reluctant to jump on the 'this is what I did' wagon, but that may just be lingering sentiment from previous games where roleclaiming like that was very obviously a bad idea. Considering most of us will have the same role, it could work, since it doesn't give too much away.

Edited October 22, 2014 by Wyrmhero

[Gamma Fiend he/him]

Dig was disturbed. He set about his usual task, shovel in hand, feet kicking down on the spade to bite into the earth, the rough calluses on his hand rubbing against smooth wooden handle, and the crunch, swish, and thud of dirt being picked up, whisked into the air, and landing back on the ground in a pile some couple feet away.

The motions were all the same, but it was completely different. He wasn't digging a hole. He was digging a grave.

He had never even conceived of the notion that his skills would be used for such a macabre task. Holes were fun and mysterious, you never knew what you could come across while digging a hole. Graves were the exact opposite. You knew exactly what was going to be at the bottom of the hole when you were finished. He paused and shuddered.

 

Dig still couldn't believe that the group had lucked out and found one of the forgotten on the very first day. He still didn't know what to make of anybody else, he was just having a hard enough time keeping up with all of the hasty plans and decisions being suggested and tossed around.

Dig had always been a simple man. He only cared about digging holes. Graves were not the same. "Dig a hole, dig a hole." He said the same phrase, the same exact way, trying to find some sort of joy or comfort with the familiarity of the mantra, but the words just left a bitter taste in his mouth.

OOC: Well that was good news with Dui being one of the forgotten having to drop out on Day 1. While I could understand the votes on him just to get rid of an inactive and all that, but it looks like everybody is already taking a look at the people who bandwagoned on Dui to ensure the lynch. As it's been pointed out, it is a usual trick Eliminators do to 'verify' themselves early on.

I still am unsure at how to best coordinate the Lines of Warding, trying to keep the Defenders as anonymous as possible. And maybe it can now just be as simple as this:
We know that however many people made Lines last Cycle, it was obviously enough. And now that we got rid of at least one Eliminator, it will be even easier. So if you didn't make a Line of Warding last night, make one tonight. If too many people made them last night, we'll know if a Chalkling attack goes through tonight, and can adjust accordingly.

And from there we can start trying to narrow down the numbers of what we actually need, and having the extra people go hunting with role-blocks and trackings.
 

Edit: Ooops. Kinda forgot to talk about voting. O.o I'm still actually unsure, with actual suspicions. So for now, I'll throw a token vote at Kas, because I don't like maths. Lists were the original form of 'misdirection', and it eventually moved onto statistics and now maths.

Edited October 22, 2014 by Gamma Fiend

[Sart he/him]

I'll retract that vote if the answer to this question is yes: Is there a difference between the message you get when your chalking gets blocked by warding/forbiddance and the one you get if you get hit by a line of vigor when you drew a line of making?

There is a difference between those messages. However, you won't get any message if your target isn't protected, which looks the same as being stunned.

 

Sart, we know that if a chalkling gets blocked by warding/forbiddance, the LoM returns a null result. The same happens if the target was hit by a LoV. But what happens if the *Maker* gets hit by a LoV?

I was definitely not clear enough on this. If a chalkling gets blocked by warding or forbiddance, it will turn around, and report back to the maker that the target was protected. However, if the target did some other action, or if the target was stunned and couldn't do an action, the chalkling will march towards the sunset, and never report back. The same thing happens if the Maker was hit by a Line of Vigor. In retrospect, the Lines of Vigor are probably a little bit overpowered...

[Mailliw73 he/him]

At least from the writeup, the doesn't seem to have been a chalkling kill. Maybe we should get a tally of who actually drew a line of warding last cycle so we can have an idea of how many we need in total.

I suspect that 6 lines of making might not be enough, especially if there are 3 forgotten left. In my opinion, the first night the chalkings break through will give us a decent amount of info, so keeping the numbers close to a death is probably a good thing. It seems that the only way you can really demonstrate innocence in this is coming up with a really good reason to lynch somebody that ends up being a forgotten, or building lots of useful diagrams and such. We have 2 votes on Tulir right now, so I won't bother exploring over there for the moment. I don't think that we can really excuse anyone from the vote for Dui; if the eliminators realized he was inactive then jumping on a vote for him wouldn't do much to hurt them. I'll put a vote on Will because I would like to hear why you think we should coordinate our chalklings since that would make it pretty easy for the forgotten to cancel the important ones with lines of vigor.

 

I'll retract that vote if the answer to this question is yes: Is there a difference between the message you get when your chalking gets blocked by warding/forbiddance and the one you get if you get hit by a line of vigor when you drew a line of making?

I honk we should coordinate chalklings because then Forgotten can't hide behind overlap. I used that myself in LG7. Claiming that I went to the informant and learned the same thing someone else said was very helpful in hiding. This way, way if we all agree to the plan, there can be none of that.

Kas, I highly doubt we have more than one sentry, if any at all. It seems that the LoW are a big part of figuring out game strategy.

I like Gamma's plan. Whoever didn't make a LoW last night, make one tonight. That way we can gauge how many more we need on a given night without revealing who will be an easy target. That would mean that we don't follow my list unless everyone followed it, which we already know is not the case. To make sure we are protected tonight, everyone who didn't make a Line of Warding last night, make one this cycle.

I'm going to throw a vote on Aaron F (Aonar). He's usually more active than this, I want to try to draw him out to say something. I bet you have a diagram, Aonar, so what suspicions do you have?