Mid-Range Game 67: 'Twas the Night Before SA5

[Amanuensis he/him]

Just now, Kasimir said:

Yeah. I need to relook at the votes myself. After sleep. 

Sleeeeep

[Aeoryi she/her]

I'm going to vote on Coffee since I felt their weird e!Aeo push was strange and generally just one dimensional. Perhaps e!coffee does this to get e!Araris out of danger but I don't know I'd have to actually do VCA like I promised

Additionally, the SK probably going to have to be more of a TS than an extra Elim at this juncture if they wanna win

[Amanuensis he/him]

21 minutes ago, Ookla the Destined said:

• Araris Valerian/Pookla (4): neil the beguiled, Coffeecat, Aeoryi/Resolute, Kasimir
• Cash67/Rich (4): Devotary of Spontaneity, Araris Valerian/Pookla, The Wandering Wizard/Raveness, Amanuensis
• The Wandering Wizard/Raveness (1): Cash67/Rich
• No Vote: (4) Ashbringer, Alpha, TKN, JNV

Honestly very weird to look at. If E!Araris, where are his teammates? They’d either need to be bussing him or too inactive to help

[Aeoryi she/her]

3 minutes ago, Amanuensis said:

Honestly very weird to look at. If E!Araris, where are his teammates? They’d either need to be bussing him or too inactive to help

They're distancing by voting on Araris 

[Coffeecat she/her]

5 minutes ago, Ookla the Resolute said:

I'm going to vote on Coffee since I felt their weird e!Aeo push was strange and generally just one dimensional.

I wasn't pushing them too hard, I just think that are evil. The reason why it seems I'm fixated on them was because kas was asking for my opinion.

Just now, Ookla the Resolute said:

They're distancing by voting on Araris

AHA, exactly what an Elim distancing would say. 

[Aeoryi she/her]

1 minute ago, Coffeecat said:

I wasn't pushing them too hard, I just think that are evil. The reason why it seems I'm fixated on them was because kas was asking for my opinion.

AHA, exactly what an Elim distancing would say. 

Interestingly enough, you never answered this:

2 hours ago, Kasimir said:

In what way?

'Cause the thing is, I do seem to remember this kill situation happening for you before in a past game.

I don't disagree. But I feel like you should be in some way readable or I'm usually more willing to V!read you and you're a solid null rn.

Or maybe I'm tired and cranky.

If there is, list the evidence. Here are some points I'd like you to be able to address while you're at it:

• How does an Aeo/Araris team decide they're cool with leaving Aeo to hang during D1 EoD where Aeo couldn't be present and Araris's vote was locked on Archer? Do you think there's a third teammate, e.g. Wiz? Do you think this fits with the overall team then?
• What do you think Aeo's noisiness about Ash D1 is about then?
• Why do you think votes were so stable during all of D1 to the last five hours and only started to pick up towards the end?
• Is there any sort of evidence you would accept as disproving your worldview beyond flipping both Aeo and Araris and checking if they both flip red? If there isn't, do you think your view is falsifiable? If it isn't remotely falsifiable, e.g. because you can account for anything up to a flip, do you think there's a problem there?
• Do you think the fluid nature of Aeo's suspicions represent a lack of commitment and opportunism or do you think they represent a certain dgaf about appearing to have appropriate progression?

Here are my own answers:

• While I think it could be due to teamlock, I think it's unduly reckless for Aeo to leave her vote on herself and go. I think her teammates in generally would dislike this behaviour. I don't see this as being likely.
• I think it's an Aeo idiosyncracy.
• I think it's because no one Evil was being seriously endangered. I think the fact that Aman (likely Village), Neil (maybe Village), Raven (flipped Village), Devo (strong case for Village via Ravenclaw), and Wiz (sus af) were the ones changing votes late into the cycle suggests that the Elims were fine with the state of affairs. This doesn't happen when everyone thinks Aeo and Archer were tied or near-tied.
• In general, I'm okay with E!Araris so this isn't the issue here. I am also open to being convinced that Aeo's votes are in general opportunistic, or that she's using being chaotic as a shield to avoid close scrutiny, or that her overdefensiveness and mention of close game pressure are slips.
• I think the lack of care with regard to the appearance of progression appears a litle more Village to me, as compared to how constrained her suspicions were in MR66. I indicate in particular her 180 on Archer in the EoD of C1, which I think it's reasonable to postulate an Elim wouldn't be so bold about. You are welcome to convince me it's exactly what it says on the tin.

This part is fair.

Edited to add:

I can't imagine wanting to  Just let me play for hanging/chill with my bros damnit.

Not. Helping >>

 

[Kasimir he/him]

5 minutes ago, Amanuensis said:

Honestly very weird to look at. If E!Araris, where are his teammates? They’d either need to be bussing him or too inactive to help

Bussing the king of bussing?

You know what Araris would probably say tbf.

[Amanuensis he/him]

Just now, Kasimir said:

Bussing the king of bussing?

You know what Araris would probably say tbf.

Yeah. But that gives us the set of <Neil, Coffee, Aeoryi, Kasimir>.

[Aeoryi she/her]

Just now, Amanuensis said:

Yeah. But that gives us the set of <Neil, Coffee, Aeoryi, Kasimir>.

Bussing is a bad tactic if both other elims vote there to distance. That just groups them up. We can assume one Elim (in the e!Araris bus idea) votes on him, other elsewhere 

[Amanuensis he/him]

Just now, Ookla the Resolute said:

Bussing is a bad tactic if both other elims vote there to distance. That just groups them up. We can assume one Elim (in the e!Araris bus idea) votes on him, other elsewhere 

So you think E!Coffee busses E!Araris there?

[Kasimir he/him]

1 minute ago, Amanuensis said:

Yeah. But that gives us the set of <Neil, Coffee, Aeoryi, Kasimir>.

That's the other question I think. The fact they're avoiding shooting here almost seems to suggest it's by definition a tainted set. Or they're terrified of your Lurching skills, take your pick.

[Aeoryi she/her]

Just now, Amanuensis said:

So you think E!Coffee busses E!Araris there?

Maybe, I'm almost certain there is some weird motives behind coffee voting

[Amanuensis he/him]

5 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

That's the other question I think. The fact they're avoiding shooting here almost seems to suggest it's by definition a tainted set. Or they're terrified of your Lurching skills, take your pick.

I’m honestly surprised they didn’t hit me. I was unprotected. I’m a man of my word.

But that does imply they either believe I’m Brandon but self-protected (I’m not that selfish), or they thought if I’m PR shielding, there’s a good chance the (fake) real Brandon would protect me. It also seems they avoided you too, maybe because of the 50/50 odds of me honestly targeting you (which I did, you’re welcome). I’m certain there’s something we can glean from there.

Edited December 16, 2023 by Amanuensis

[Aeoryi she/her]

Just now, Amanuensis said:

I’m honestly surprised they didn’t hit me. I was unprotected. I’m a man of my word.

But that does imply they either believe I’m Brandon but self-protected (I’m not that selfish), or they thought if I’m lying, there’s a good chance the (fake) real Brandon would protect me. It also seems they avoided you too, maybe because of the 50/50 odds of me honestly targeting you (which I did, you’re welcome). I’m certain there’s something we can glean from there.

Aman how do you manage to succeed at IKYK help me I cannot c1 claim lurcher and live what is the trick

[Amanuensis he/him]

ED1T: also possible they don’t believe I’m Brandon and they’re searching for the (fake) real one

1 minute ago, Ookla the Resolute said:

Aman how do you manage to succeed at IKYK help me I cannot c1 claim lurcher and live what is the trick

It doesn’t always work. I’ve been instantly shot for this kind of thing before (looking at you Aonar )

[Aeoryi she/her]

2 minutes ago, Amanuensis said:

ED1T: also possible they don’t believe I’m Brandon and they’re searching for the (fake) real one

It doesn’t always work. I’ve been instantly shot for this kind of thing before (looking at you Aonar )

I got C2 Exe'd when I tried it and was tied for exe c1

[Kasimir he/him]

3 minutes ago, Amanuensis said:

ED1T: also possible they don’t believe I’m Brandon and they’re searching for the (fake) real one

It doesn’t always work. I’ve been instantly shot for this kind of thing before (looking at you Aonar )

Tbf Aonar's gambit instincts are fairly impeccable. Both of you are a terrifying match-up.

[Amanuensis he/him]

1 minute ago, Ookla the Resolute said:

I got C2 Exe'd when I tried it and was tied for exe c1

Did you also subtextually imply you were elim multiple times in that game?

[Aeoryi she/her]

Just now, Amanuensis said:

Did you also subtextually imply you were elim multiple times in that game?

Not really. It was all RP, and I claimed to get rid of a 3 vote train consisting of archer and Kas

[Amanuensis he/him]

3 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

Tbf Aonar's gambit instincts are fairly impeccable. Both of you are a terrifying match-up.

Would it be kayana if I protest vote Aeo? Would appreciate your judgment.

[Kasimir he/him]

1 minute ago, Amanuensis said:

Would it be kayana if I protest vote Aeo? Would appreciate your judgment.

Uh. What. Protest what?

[Coffeecat she/her]

16 minutes ago, Ookla the Resolute said:

How does an Aeo/Araris team decide they're cool with leaving Aeo to hang during D1 EoD where Aeo couldn't be present and Araris's vote was locked on Archer? Do you think there's a third teammate, e.g. Wiz? Do you think this fits with the overall team then?

I do think there is a third teammate, I would have said wiz, but they are not evil.

 

17 minutes ago, Ookla the Resolute said:

Why do you think votes were so stable during all of D1 to the last five hours and only started to pick up towards the end

Really not sure, I was not present for the EOD, and I have only read it once or twice 

 

18 minutes ago, Ookla the Resolute said:

Is there any sort of evidence you would accept as disproving your worldview beyond flipping both Aeo and Araris and checking if they both flip red? If there isn't, do you think your view is falsifiable? If it isn't remotely falsifiable, e.g. because you can account for anything up to a flip, do you think there's a problem there?

I think I've been seeming really pushy about araris and aeoryi, I just really think they are evil, but with how much self confidence I have I would probably be easily disuaded.

 

20 minutes ago, Ookla the Resolute said:

Do you think the fluid nature of Aeo's suspicions represent a lack of commitment and opportunism or do you think they represent a certain dgaf about appearing to have appropriate progression?

I really struggle to read players like this, I just know aeoryi is known to be weird. This seems kind of then trying to lean village, as a villager is more likely to ve this fluid, but elims can certainly fake this, and aeoryi seems like someone who could do this.

[Amanuensis he/him]

2 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

Uh. What. Protest what?

Her general chaos play this game  I can only give it a pass for so long, and something feels off about her voting Araris alongside Coffee and then opening with a Coffee vote, insisting it was a bus. Implies she knows Araris is an elim but that he’s not her top priority.

Edited December 16, 2023 by Amanuensis

[neil the beguiled]

hmm. science. Labyrinth

 

[Aeoryi she/her]

1 minute ago, Amanuensis said:

Her general chaos play this game  I can only give it a pass for so long, and something feels off about her voting Araris alongside Coffee and then opening with a coffee vote, insisting it was a bus. Implies she knows Araris is an elim but that he’s not her top priority.

What if I told you I was the SK