NerdyAarakocra They/Them Posted November 27, 2023 Posted November 27, 2023 So, if you haven't read the new KoWT interlude that was spoiled at Dragonsteel, here it is: https://wob.coppermind.net/events/522-dragonsteel-2023/#e16257 And STORMS that chapter is spicy. So, the first part entails the journey of a few minor Worldhoppers, and apart from them being taunted by Hoid and learning that another old lady is a knight radiant, nothing much Cosmere-Related happens. But then we've got Cusicesh, who appears out of the water at random, speaks to the people of Kasitor, telling them it's time to leave the planet, and opens a giant storming portal for everyone to run into. Yeah, that's right. Remember that little tidbit in Tress about the Iriali disappearing off the face of Lumar? Yeah, that's what just happened here. In fact, I'd wager that a similar thing happened on Lumar, as well as every other planet with myths about the disappearance of the Iriali. So a few questions remain: What's going on with the Iriali? How did this happen on all the other planets? Where does everyone go? AND WHAT THE SCUD IS GOING ON WITH SCUDDLING CUSICESH? Discuss.
BrechioSwordMouse he/him Posted November 27, 2023 Posted November 27, 2023 I wonder if Cusicesh is the survival shard.
Longshot97 he/him Posted November 27, 2023 Posted November 27, 2023 10 minutes ago, Ym and Cenn need love said: I wonder if Cusicesh is the survival shard. I have a WoB on that. Quote Questioner Speaking of the Stormfather, would the Nightwatcher and the giant water spren be on the same level of spren as the Stormfather? Brandon Sanderson ...The Nightwatcher, yes. Um... There are, I would say, a level below the Stormfather and the Nightwatcher who are also much-- a much bigger deal than something like one of the sapient spren, and that's what Cusicesh is. So, not likely a Shard, or an Avatar. It could be a Splinter, but most sapient Splinters seem region-locked. like spren or seons. Also, how did it form a perpendicularity? It's innate Investiture shouldn't be enough to create a perpendicularity, to our knowledge. Has it been collecting Investiture from the Iriali for some time now? According to the Coppermind, those present feel "drained" after Cusicesh descends. 2
Argenti he/him Posted November 27, 2023 Posted November 27, 2023 2 hours ago, Longshot97 said: Also, how did it form a perpendicularity? It's innate Investiture shouldn't be enough to create a perpendicularity, to our knowledge. Has it been collecting Investiture from the Iriali for some time now? According to the Coppermind, those present feel "drained" after Cusicesh descends. It must have been, that's why it takes a while to gather power.
Argent he/him Posted November 27, 2023 Posted November 27, 2023 I've renamed this thread to avoid explicit spoilers in the title 3
NerdyAarakocra They/Them Posted November 27, 2023 Author Posted November 27, 2023 1 hour ago, Argent said: I've renamed this thread to avoid explicit spoilers in the title I'm sorry about that. I didn't realize what I said was a spoiler - thanks for changing the title! 4 hours ago, Longshot97 said: Has it been collecting Investiture from the Iriali for some time now? According to the Coppermind, those present feel "drained" after Cusicesh descends. Yeah, that seems pretty likely. My question is, how is it related to the disappearance of the Iriali from other worlds, like Lumar?
alder24 Posted November 27, 2023 Posted November 27, 2023 25 minutes ago, Ookla the Lord Ruler said: Yeah, that seems pretty likely. My question is, how is it related to the disappearance of the Iriali from other worlds, like Lumar? I think the spren instead of being Connected to a Shard/land, is Connected to the people, to Iriali directly, thus wherever they go, he can go as well - he always traveled with them. That's one option. Second option is that Iriali arrived on Roshar without Cusicesh, who manifested later as Iriali's spren of the Long Trail from raw investiture available on Roshar, and now is their guide. If Cusicesh went with Iriali to Lumar, which is likely in my opinion, he supposed to be their guide, leading them to the 5th Land (which I believe is Scadrial but anyway) then the same would happen on Lumar and any other Land - Cusicesh would gather investiture from Iriali until he has enough to open many perpendicularities or until something happens. However I doubt that people on Lumar would miss the presence of a giant water spren on a planet where water is especially dangerous, which means either Cusicesh adapts his appearance to each Land and he was hidden on Lumar like Xisis was, or he is the one time guide - he didn't settle on the next Land with Iriali, he just lead them there and went back to Roshar. The latter would mean Iriali have another way to mass-open perpendicularities. 3
NerdyAarakocra They/Them Posted November 27, 2023 Author Posted November 27, 2023 5 minutes ago, alder24 said: If Cusicesh went with Iriali to Lumar, which is likely in my opinion, he supposed to be their guide, leading them to the 5th Land (which I believe is Scadrial but anyway) then the same would happen on Lumar and any other Land - Cusicesh would gather investiture from Iriali until he has enough to open many perpendicularities or until something happens. However I doubt that people on Lumar would miss the presence of a giant water spren on a planet where water is especially dangerous, which means either Cusicesh adapts his appearance to each Land and he was hidden on Lumar like Xisis was, or he is the one time guide - he didn't settle on the next Land with Iriali, he just lead them there and went back to Roshar. The latter would mean Iriali have another way to mass-open perpendicularities. That sounds... really likely, actually! I wonder what this has to do with the Iriali belief in The One. We thought that it was Odium-related or possibly a version of the Shattering, but the quest to experience everything seems like a good reason for worldhopping. Maybe the religion was corrupted by Odium?
alder24 Posted November 27, 2023 Posted November 27, 2023 1 minute ago, Ookla the Lord Ruler said: I wonder what this has to do with the Iriali belief in The One. We thought that it was Odium-related or possibly a version of the Shattering, but the quest to experience everything seems like a good reason for worldhopping. Maybe the religion was corrupted by Odium? No, I don't think their religion was corrupted by Odium (they are split if Fused are part of the one or not). It might be older than the Shattering of Adonalsium - for some reason they believe that Hoid is the Trickster Aspect of the One, with capitalized letters, they have a name specifically for Hoid, which is weird. This looks awfully like Terris' prophecies, which were seeded among Terris directly by Preservation, before he imprisoned Ruin. Could Adonalsium do the same to seed the idea that Shards should be recombined?
TheoreticalMagic Posted November 27, 2023 Posted November 27, 2023 (edited) Well, if you go to the thread about "Who do you think will be the big bad of the cosmere" you'll find my theory about the origins of the Iriali and how it pertains to the One - specifically, I think they're from Sel, descended from a Skai-created inverse of the Aona-created Elantrians, the original Men of Gold, dedicated to Dominion. I think Dominion is the One and they seek to restore him from what Odium and Autonomy did on Sel....or at least their religion has evolved the belief that they can restore Skai or Dominion. Specifically, this line from the interlude has me more convinced than ever: It wouldn’t be the One unless it—God—encompassed everything. That drive, specifically? Sounds exactly like what Dominion would assign as the primary mission of his religion, for anyone who worshipped or followed him. And thus I think the talk about the One being Shattered and their quest to reform him is not about Adonalsium but rather about Odium's destruction of Dominion on Sel, and the formation of the Dor. Edited November 27, 2023 by TheoreticalMagic
NerdyAarakocra They/Them Posted November 27, 2023 Author Posted November 27, 2023 40 minutes ago, TheoreticalMagic said: Well, if you go to the thread about "Who do you think will be the big bad of the cosmere" you'll find my theory about the origins of the Iriali and how it pertains to the One - specifically, I think they're from Sel, descended from a Skai-created inverse of the Aona-created Elantrians, the original Men of Gold, dedicated to Dominion. I think Dominion is the One and they seek to restore him from what Odium and Autonomy did on Sel....or at least their religion has evolved the belief that they can restore Skai or Dominion. Specifically, this line from the interlude has me more convinced than ever: Hide contents It wouldn’t be the One unless it—God—encompassed everything. That drive, specifically? Sounds exactly like what Dominion would assign as the primary mission of his religion, for anyone who worshipped or followed him. And thus I think the talk about the One being Shattered and their quest to reform him is not about Adonalsium but rather about Odium's destruction of Dominion on Sel, and the formation of the Dor. No, I think that the One is Adonalisium. The idea of a being that was Shattered all across the Cosmere sure does sound familiar... 1
alder24 Posted November 27, 2023 Posted November 27, 2023 35 minutes ago, TheoreticalMagic said: Well, if you go to the thread about "Who do you think will be the big bad of the cosmere" you'll find my theory about the origins of the Iriali and how it pertains to the One - specifically, I think they're from Sel, descended from a Skai-created inverse of the Aona-created Elantrians, the original Men of Gold, dedicated to Dominion. I think Dominion is the One and they seek to restore him from what Odium and Autonomy did on Sel....or at least their religion has evolved the belief that they can restore Skai or Dominion. Both Devotion and Dominion were not involved much in human affairs on Sel, humans developed and discovered Invested Arts on their own. Coppermind: Quote She and Dominion, for an unknown reason, decided to strike out together to Sel, where they passively influenced a number of local cultures, though ultimately decided to take on a more laissez faire approach to human development.[7] Historically, Devotion and Dominion were not directly involved in human civillization on Sel; however, the discovery of their powers drove its development nonetheless. The opposite of Elantrians seems to be Dakhor monks. Gold isn't associated with Dominion (it's Odium's color), dark/black is (Skaze are dark/black) or red (WoB). Iriali don't possess any attribute associated with him - they aren't thirsty for power or control, nor do they spread their religion among non-believers like other Dominion associated groups. Both Iriali on Roshar and Lumar (and potentially on Scadrial) seem to keep close to each other and don't spread over the world. 42 minutes ago, TheoreticalMagic said: That drive, specifically? Sounds exactly like what Dominion would assign as the primary mission of his religion, for anyone who worshipped or followed him. That's completely opposite to Dominion, accepting that everyone is different and can decide on their own, accepting that people won't worship or follow Dominion. This is more in line with Autonomy, but there is no direct connection between Iriali and Autonomy per WoB.
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